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On the back of the Echo it says that Flynny is being sent to Lindshall(?), some top place for fitness for footballers and other professionals for a week to help his recovery.
Dolan says there is no timescale for his return to playing but that he has been taking part in light training sessions. He also says he wants to sign two more players before the season starts.
http://www.eecho.ie/pdf/back.pdf
Oh and its by Conor George so its true:)
Where do I reply ;)
definitely a bit worrying for Flynny, strange that the decision to send him away has been made so close to the start of the new season. won't worry too much until the ko on first day though if he's not there.
(on a completely separate note, the photo of John Hayes in the column on the left of the echo back page makes him look like he has a serious bobby charlton going on :D )
this flynny injury is turning into a bit of a joke
they must have known this last year
I can tell you now that Flynny will not be playing in the first few games of the season.
If, at this stage, he has not even started light training then there is something seriously wrong with his knee. At best he will not be fit enough.
S. O'Flynn has obviously been brought in to cover for the "original" Flynny - which in hindsight, has been a good move.
On a completely pesemistic note, I don't, now, expect to see J O'F in a City Team until mid summer ( i.e. June / July ).
If he needs another operation then that is the seaosn gone for him ...... and dare I say it ......... could even put a question mark over his carrer.
This type of injury is the most serious for a footballer and has ended many players carrers. :(
That game against Longford makes me sick - he should never have played................but in a way I blame the player himself - he should have know better.
dont know all about thatQuote:
Originally posted by Counting Crow
That game against Longford makes me sick - he should never have played................but in a way I blame the player himself - he should have know better.
was told behan was also carrying an injury last season and was told by dolan,either he plays with the injury or there will be no contract for him. DONT KNOW HOW TRUE THIS IS THOUGH
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Originally posted by xtreme rebel
And Behan is crocked now as well.
Behan went over on his ankle in training.
On Flynny coming on against Longford, he could not have played if the club doctor, most likely another doctor, the management and the player himself thought that he was ready.
IF it was any other way our insurance would have been void, we could have be liable to pay millions litterally. You you really think that Brian and Pat are that stupid?
I was in the shed when he came on SOC, me and everybody around me could see
1. Flynny was nowhere near fit
2. He was visibly uncomfortable and hobbling ten minutes after coming on.
Could Lennox and Dolan be that stupid?
1. The game clashed with Man Utd -v- Chelsea on sky
2. They'd been touting John's return on redFM all week
3. He was put on for Colin T. after thirty minutes
If he wasn't fit enough to start, he wasn't fit enough to put in an hour, the club were using him to get a big crowd in. This was a PR stunt that went very badly wrong, he clearly wasn't ready, he shouldn't have been risked, so why was he?
Dolan as manager must take responsibility for this.
A stupid silly mistake.
i bet his ol'doll would argue with that post:DQuote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
In my own opinion, Flynny knows his own body best
Do you know this for a fact ?Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Dolan asked Flynny was he fit to play for the Longford game, Flynny said Yes so on he came.
Everybody makes mistakes, we are all fallible.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Dolan & Lennox have done wonders for the club and this is the crap people come out with. We have the best manager and best chairman in the Eircom League and don't know how lucky we are.
You'll be saying next that the sun shines out of their arses.
Get a grip man.
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Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Dolan asked Flynny was he fit to play for the Longford game, Flynny said Yes so on he came. Flynny knows his own body best and honestly though he was fit that night and unfortunately he suffered a setback on his comeback.
Before i start, I think Dolan is great, and Lennox has been even better for the club, however......Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
best manager and best chairman in the Eircom League and don't know how lucky we are.
as i said in my post, everybody in the shed saw Flynny wasn't fit and that he was struggling (and to make it perfectly clear, he spent the last half hour more or less standing on the spot, and when he did move he was hobbling).
why the FCUK didn't Dolan "the best manager in the league" take him off?
the reason, which is why he doesn't like 'internet supporters' or Pat's fans is he refuses to be questioned and he refuses to let himself be proven wrong.
as to your conversation between flynn and dolan, it every bit as much conjecture as you claim my post is.
I agree 100%. It wouldn't be the first time a player has had an injury, come back and broken down. For fcuks sake, how many comebacks did Ronaldo have at Inter?! I am worried aqs to when we'll see flynny again, but I don't blame anyon for it- these things happen, and in signing Steve O'Flynn, Dolan has got some very good back-up should he take longer to recover.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
We have the best manager and best chairman in the Eircom League and don't know how lucky we are.
Don't mind your generalisations, I was referring to this specific incidentQuote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
. Its well known if you had a clue for a player to declare himself fit for a game if he was injured. Dolan is never going to risk a player of flynny's standard and force him to play. How stupid are you "razor".
And it is quite clear that you do not know.
What is great to see though is that you know Dolans mind so well
You know how he thinks and exactly what he would do in certain situations.
Are u in fact Dolan ?
or Are u in fact the "Stupid one" ?
In do the same thing for posts on this forum :DQuote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
The first thing I look for when a City article appears in the Echo is who wrote it!:p
look, I'll give you all that xtreme, but I remember that game vividly. we were poor, but there was no possible reason to throw Flynn on after half an hour.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Why didn't Flynny ask to come off?......Dolan asked him was he ok to carry on. Flynny said Ya, so he stayed on. Not all players recover from injuries without having a setback.
Dolan asked him was he ok????
Didn't see that, or hear flynny answering him, but I could see Flynny was not OK, everybody around me could see he was not OK. He should have been given ten minutes to see could he run it off (which is probably when you heard Dolan's question) but when he hadn't he should have been pulled out of the game, end of story. The lad had been out for months and was hobbling around the pitch, i don't care what happened with Ronaldo, he shouldn't have been on the pitch.
Wherever you lie on the blame issue, there is no doubt that Flynn broke down that night and it's prolonged his injury, so I'd imagine the answer to your question is most people are unhappy that flynny made his comeback on that night.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
How many people that night could possibly say that they were not happy to see Flynny come on and make his come back?
I'm not suggesting, as your defensiveness implies, that anybody did this intentionally, but I still stand by my position that Flynn's comeback was rushed and it backfired.
fcuking pathetic. why the sudden jump to insults just because i disagree with you? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Perhaps you would see it or have heard it if you just removed your head from Flynny's ass.
Hey .... hold up there a second fella .... i do that all the time !! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally posted by tiktok
why the sudden jump to insults just because i disagree with you?
:D
You said it buddy.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Yeah like Razor's pathetic effort of a reply there, I don't think i'll read his anymore. I think there are too many childish, idiotic people on this forum.
You head off sulk but take a good look in the mirror.
:D
The minute you 'stopped' reading my posts, you start on someone else. pathetic. give it a rest boy will ya.
I mean you are correct when u say everyone in the ground was happy to see O'Flynn come on that night but that didn't last long cause everyone could see after about 5 minutes that he wasn't up to it. And for the next hour I was just praying Dolan would take him off again, the last 20 mins or so O'Flynn was no more than a passenger.
Whatever way u want to look at it, in my opinion Dolan is responsible for team selection, who plays & who doesn't.
And in this case the blame lies firmly at his door.
Hey , you're entitled to your opinion the same way i'm entitled to mine. If we don't agree, so what.
Sure we might even go for a pint after Sundays game and discuss it some more.
;)
THat's no the end of the story though. He's still out. He made the comeback, broke down straight away, yet he was left run around for another hour. All that could have done was aggravate his injury. He should have been taken off after 15 mins.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
...he declared himself fit, he made his comeback and suffered a setback. End of story.
The question is, why wasn't he subbed when it was clear that he was not ready?
Is the manager blind?
Everyone in the ground could see he had to come off.
I thought it was Flynn you were blaming, no hang on, you lost that one. Move onto the medics. Blame Gunther or Noelle for christs sake, anyone except Dolan.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Blame the medical people who told him it was ok to resume playing football agian.
and you accused me of having my head up flynns ass, you're a bloody joke :rolleyes: :D
Flynn was struggling and everybody around me saw it. Dolan must have seen him struggling (on his comeback from a serious injury) and should have taken him off. You can't blame O'Flynn, if he'd been playing sh!te Dolan would have taken him off without consulting the player, because handling the substitutions and the well being of the players on the pitch is his JOB.
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Originally posted by liamon
Everyone in the ground could see he had to come off.
interesting:D
there was definitly a bit of a buldge now i think about it
did they have any porn mags in the dressing room for him:D
this is getting incredibly boring, so you'll be happy to know this is my last word on it.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
I am not blaming anyone for what happened and am trying to make ye see that this is not Dolan's fault. It is nobody's fault and merely a footballing incident which happens quite regularly in football.
1. Did you see (as everybody else did) that Flynn was struggling?
2. If you did, can we assume that Dolan noticed it?
3. If Dolan noticed it, why would he let Flynn play on for an hour?
I didn't make any jokes or try to insult you. I found it ironic that while accusing me of being blinkered, your own pro-Dolan bias, while admirably loyal, is preventing you from recognising any opposing view, regardless of merit.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
You can't think up of your own jokes or insults no?
I'll take that as aQuote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
:o :o :o :o
1. Yes
2. Yes
3. D'uh, I don't know. Errr.... it was a footballing incident, i think I saw, ehm...Noelle, on the grassy knoll....:rolleyes:
and I know I lied when i said the previous was my last post. I'm just pre-empting your pointing that out in lieu of actually responding intelligently to a question.
Oh Well in that case I stand totally corrected and will go straight away and sign up to football 101 and sure i'll throw tiktok's name down as well while i'm at it.Quote:
Originally posted by Rebel Soldier
I for one was sitting right next to the manager's dug-out, and heard dolan ask flynn if he was okay to carry on. Flynn replied with a very positive "Yes". End of discussion now. Xtreme rebel was right, and tiktok and "razor" dont have a clue what they're talking about. You two should learn a thing or two about football.
It looks like xtreme rebel and his "friend" Rebel Soldier were right all along.
And remember kids,cause thats what we are dealing with here, that schizophrenia is a serious illness and is not to be made a mockery of.
:p
:DQuote:
Originally posted by razor
Oh Well in that case I stand totally corrected and will go straight away and sign up to football 101 and sure i'll throw tiktok's name down as well while i'm at it.
It looks like xtreme rebel and his "friend" Rebel Soldier were right all along.
And remember kids,cause thats what we are dealing with here, that schizophrenia is a serious illness and is not to be made a mockery of.
:p
come on razor, leave xtreme rebel soldier alone ;) :D :D
Sounds like money well spend by Lennox and good advice by the club doctor so. We are begining to look like a professional football club.Quote:
Originally posted by xtreme rebel
Flynny returns from Lilleshall tonight and he says in todays Echo that things went great over there for him. His knee is totally cleared and his hamstrings are 35% down on what they should be. Also his quads are 5% down on what they should be. He goes on to say that they have given him a schedule to build up his fitness and he says he'll be fit for the opening game of the season and he is looking forward to playing with Neale Fenn up front.
Great news!
hopefully training will go well for him now and he'll be hitting his previous form when the season starts. hopefully he'll get a game or two under his belt beforehand as well.
Exactly, it's great that we are now doing things properly.... no half measures! These kind of things all help in the building of a successful football team.Quote:
Originally posted by SÓC
Sounds like money well spend by Lennox and good advice by the club doctor so.
ill believe when i see it
there is no way i can see flynny in the starting line up for the first game of the season
he is gonna need to get a few games under his belt first with u-21's before even starting to think about a place on the bench