Bit of trivia here, anybody know?
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Bit of trivia here, anybody know?
Chris Hughton?
Was here some black lad back in the 1890s?
Hughton would be the first of the modern era alright.
tbh chris hughton was born and grew up in a place that in terms of diversity was years ahead of ireland. Yeah I'd say the answer is him but I'd be more looking for players who grew up in Ireland.
mcgrath would be a much more prime example, because his mother actually met his father in Dublin. same with curtis fleming.
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Originally Posted by irishultra
So who was the first non-white Irish reared (but not necessarily Irish born) footballer to play for Ireland?
Bit of a pointless question really.
hahah yeah but well i just want to know. this 1890's player i wonder who it was. it wouldnt suprise me though.
Ireland must at some stage have fielded an all black defence, i.e. Phelan, McGrath, Hughton, and Babb.
Hughton had retired (91?) before Babb came along (94).
Fleming for Hughton is a possibility, but don't think it happened.
Did we once have an asian keeper?
Does freckly ginger count?
Are you thinking of Tom Farquahar?Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
You're probably thinking of Alex O'Reilly. Played for us up until U-21, was part of Brian Kerr's U-18 European Champions, last seen playing beach football for England. :(Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Was Stephen Reid the first black captain when he played vs Holland?
McGrath must have been captain at some stage?
Chris Hughton Ireland v USA at Dalymount on St Patrick's day 1979?. Great match. Ireland 2-0 down. Came back and won 3-2. Johnny Giles was manager. Giles had an excellent relationship with Black players in England when racism was mainstream in the 70's. Cyril Regis and Laurie Cunningham commended Giles for his treatment of Black players in England during Giles time as manager of West Brom.
Not really ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Ohh ahh Paul Mcrath ohh ahh paul mcrath.
But seriously the answer is the thin lizzy guy, right? I mean didint Phil play a half when he was 18 for the U-18s? Pretty sure he did. and he scored.
Isnt Van Morrison Irish? He must be Black, right?
He was Brazilian after all.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Louis Bookman (russian-born) is probably worth a mention here - looks a bit tanned in the old sepia-toned pics but then they all kind of did :)
McGrath bricked it when asked to do it by Jack, didn't have the mindset for it, He just couldn't do it, not his style.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar
First Ireland game I was ever brought to, can remember sitting on my Da's shoulders in the Connaught St stand under the King Crsips advertising board loving every minute of it!
Giles would have played with the first black player to play in a Cup final, Albert Johansson at Leeds when it were very rare to see in English football.
Hughton was the first. There was a black player for Scotalnd in the 1890s, maybe thats what Pineapple stu heard
At senior level, there still hasn't been a non-white player born in Ireland. Obviously McGrath and Fleming were brought up here
On the subject of minority representation, bonus points for anyone who can name the Lithuanian Jew who played football and cricket for Ireland.
That's the common answer to the first black person to play at Wembley.Quote:
Originally Posted by Crosby87
Not sure if he's russian born but its this guy, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
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Originally Posted by JR_Ewing
Yeah, serves me right for not reading the whole thread. He was born in Lithuania and changed his name from Buchalter.
Certainly an interesting and talented individual:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
http://nifootball.blogspot.com/2006/...s-bookman.html
I often have cause to refer to the above excellent Blog, and would always rely on JCD on such matters, since he is extremely fastidious in his research.
Was captain for a friendly once towards the end of his time wit Ireland - cant remember who it was againstQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Louis Bookman used to advertise on the front of the Shelbourne programme.
See this one currently on ebay as an example.
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/1940-IRISH-FOO...QQcmdZViewItem
Not perhaps the most PC of exercises but we could field a quite useful 11 of black players who have represented us at under 21 and above level
Randolph
C.Hughton
Babb
Fleming
Phelan
H.Hughton (at least one B cap, but I am sure therer's someone better)
McGrath
Reid
Scannell
Morrison
Goodman
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Originally Posted by third policeman
Forgot about Folan, but there again so has Phil Brown.
Didn't think Randolph was black? :confused: Nor was Goodman; you're mixing Jon and Don, I think.
Didn;t think Goodman was useful either...Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Bit harsh! Scored in the Macedonia defeat. One goal in seven part appearances isn't too bad.
First coloured player to win a senior international cap was
....
wait for it...
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Willy Brown, 1937
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=3657
Goodman was alright, only played 4 games though. Got knackered by injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Certainly wasn't black though! But Randolph is, think his Dad was an American basketball player who settled over here.
stephen kelly is of libyan descent as well. not really black but will do for the last generation ireland.
what are the criterea for being "black"?
good dancers, wear colourful clothes.
massive schlongQuote:
Originally Posted by boovidge