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stuck in on this Friday night and the Late late show is on. not going up with an anti GAA rant but just look at all the GAA "plants" in RTE. Spillane, Des Cahill, Michael Lester, Eileen Dunne, Marty Morrissy, and shed loads of other soap dodgers. The latest "plant" is that leggy girl Evanne something. The church may not run RTE anymore but its clear to see whos taking their place.
licence fee back please
On the other hand, Brush Shields is a car crash.
The whole brood is there, couldnt listen to Bertie, nearly fell asleep!
That is a great reason why to go to a L.O.I. game on a friday night. Avoiding things like this.
All that bigot-ball is painful. Perhaps they will have a special Late Late Show in 2013 for the 150th Anniversary of Association Football.
or the 130th Anniversary of Irish football in 2010.
or the 130th Anniversary of IRFU this year 2009.
All older, and all more important (or a worldwide level) that the GAH.
Though somehow I doubt the Gah bigot plants in RTE would have it.
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All that bigot-ball is painful. Perhaps they will have a special Late Late Show in 2013 for the 150th Anniversary of Association Football.
or the 130th Anniversary of Irish football in 2010.
or the 130th Anniversary of IRFU this year 2009.
All older, and all more important (or a worldwide level) that the GAH.
Though somehow I doubt the Gah bigot plants in RTE would have it.
they are not 'older' than football or hurling at all so get your facts right.
Older than gaelic football, but not older than hurling I believe.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
I often wonder is the prereqisite to supporting you local LOI club either:Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
- going to the games as a fan
or
- hating the "gah"
In fairness, it was tv programme. Big deal.
If you are nice to them, they might give you a few business lessons so that you won't have your hand out same time, same place next year for a few bob to bail you out. Form an orderly queue now - Shels/Drogs/Harps/Pats/Bohs......
PS I can't believe that they RTE/GAA still give that crook Ahern a platform.
Facts? Rugby (1845) and association (1863) football were both codified earlier than gaelic games (1884). Getting into a debate about which is older beyond that involves a definition of when each of the four (three given rugby and association football came from the same vague class of ball game) became a sport as opposed to half a village chasing an inflated pig bladder or pile of rags while beating the **** out of the next village over (with or without sticks). I'm inclined to not do that. Then there's the debate over just how much gaelic football is a genuinely Irish sport as opposed to Cusack's answer to rugby. I'm inclined not to go there either.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
Wasn't Bertie the main reason why the GAA got €25million of tax payers money to complete Croke Park? Any way the GAA were a bit more interesting than Boyzone.Quote:
PS I can't believe that they RTE/GAA still give that crook Ahern a platform.
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Originally Posted by John83
Does it matter which is older sport? Good god, the ford fiesta is older than the BMW 5 series but it sure as hell doesn't make it better car. If you are rating soccer better than gaa as it is the older of the two, then you're decidely lacking in conviction of your chosen sport. Some perfect to support their local team and choose gaa, some prefer to support a transient bunch of footballers paid to play for team and "love it" ala Andy Gray until a better offer comes along and thus choose football. Each to his own.
No different to american football then or australian football. and yeah what the rebus guy said.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
I thought it was a great show. GAA plays a huge part in many Irish peoples lifes and its sad to see some bitter jealous comments on here to be honest.
Wasn't Bertie the main reason why the GAA got €25million of tax payers money to complete Croke Park? Any way the GAA were a bit more interesting than Boyzone.[/quote]Quote:
Originally Posted by DonO'Bate
Any historian will confirm that Bertie paid the GAA off to resist the change to rule on foreign games at tha time. It would have past until his last minute intervetion to retain his hope for a monument to his greatness in Abbotstown.
More is the pity that sense didn't prevail with government allowing one signle stadium in DUblin for rugby,football and gaelic games.
Now we have the situation whereby we'll have two stadia. One under used and one undersized with the money wasted on Berties extravagance better spent on helath and other areas.
It may be apparent to some but i'd be an advocate of gaa sports. I thought it was a typical lazy RTE production. U could have played bingo with the predictive nature of the guests. Tick them off as they appear...dunphy/heffo/sean boylan/the presidents/dubs vs kerry 70's/spillane/des cahill/etc etc Nothing insightful. Nothing new. Just rehashed stories. The likes of celebirty baineistoir gives far better insight in day to day workings of GAA and its benefits.....similar to what happens in many junior/underage soccer clubs as well I might add.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
I don't give a damn worth Drogheda United which is older. I just think that when someone uses the phrase "get your facts straight" as a prop under a total lack of supporting facts, he should be sat on by Keith Foy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
Huh? ...like what? Don't pay the geese laying the golden eggs?Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
Yes it bloody well does. I would say that when one of an organisations stated raison d'etre is to preserve an ancient Irish game when, in fact, their game is plucked out of thin air and is younger than the "new" "foreign" games it's supposed to be protected from ... then yes it matters which is older. Gaelic Football claims an antiquity and, in its very name, a franchise for which it can produce sweet f all provenance.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
In a very real way it's a reactionary offshoot born of the worst instincts of an isolationist nationalism that happened to be trendy at the time.
I acknowledge the huge part it plays in peoples lives. What I think gets peoples hump up is the presumption that everyone loves the GAA. There was one character for example who claimed, with a straight face, that through the worst of the troubles -GAA got the people through. :-oQuote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
If only some would see sense, shrink their pitches, trim their uprights, stop using terms like "shkelp" and "timber" and replace them with terms like "aplomb" and "ever so well"....Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
:D
Plus ca change -- http://vodpod.com/watch/1261325-apre...ii?pod=ifpressQuote:
Originally Posted by gael353
Im a big GAA supporter but wait,shock horror,im also a huge Galway Utd fan:eek::eek:.According to some people here thats just not on,tut tut:rolleyes:.The attitude of some people here is laughable.The GAA is the life blood of hundreds of parishes and areas around the country and not just rural either.
I didnt see the program last night but maybe RTE could have done the program differently from the sounds of it.Setanta sports did a great program on it around xmas time where they showed all the volenteers doing their bit behind the scenes.Their program got to the real grassroots of it.RTE CANT NOT do a program on the grassroots of anything(sport,politics etc) as they are so obbsessed with so called big names.
So maybe Gael353 your rant should be more at RTE then the GAA.
This should be in the 'Other Sports' or even better, 'Rubbish' section surely?;)
I'm a LOI fan, I don't want to be seeing stuff about bogball in the league section.
List of things that are only popular in Ireland:
Charlie Landsborough
Fianna Fáil
Cabbage
Red lemonade
Killinascully
Sexual abuse by the clergy
Gaelic football/hurling
QED and checkmate, boggers.
Hurling is quite good, actually.
what are you talking about? i lived in barcelona when i was 8 and football(gaelic) is played there.
Don't think anyone has a problem with the actual games, but the GAA as an organisation leave a lot to be desired when it comes to keeping egos in check
AS if LOI footballers egos are small ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Fueled by the high wages clubs were will to pay mediocre players
not at my club boy! paudie o'shea in his final year in charge of Kerry, expences.....€98,000.Quote:
Originally Posted by BulmersKid
by no way am i anti GAA and i cant wait for the first round of the championship but to see that start to the programme last night with the computer generated artain boys band.....Leni Riefenstahl would have blushed!
Its a regional sport, and if people enjoy it, let them. If the people involved want to tell themselves that the rest of the world cares, and that they own the best stadium in the world, let them. Generally a person who has to constantly compliment themselves are threatened by something external. I feel for RTE. Instead of being content with the sport and spending energy promoting the actual sport, they have to try to brow beat viewers into nearly choosing the sport over other sports. Next time you hear " You wouldn't get action like this in the premiership', just laugh. Platini is currently drawing up a plan to deal with the competition.
I emailed Des Cahill on drive-time sports on numerous occasions (especially on friday nights) about his GAA bias (bit of a one man email campaign really). The best one was when drogs were playing Dynamo (I think it was the home game) and he failed to mention anything about it. At the end of the programme he said something along the lines of "we have had a few emails suggesting that we give time to tonights other sporting events but I'm sure the listeners will appreciate our busy schedule of topics" - the topic for that night was him and some other goon goinig on about the developement of hurling in Connaught.
Penfold
and we wont mention the helicopter trips when in charge of Westmeath!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by gael353
(the county will never clear them debts)
Thanks to the Late Late Show I have discovered that my sister-in-law was right, I am a West Brit. I prefer ballet to irish dancing, wine to guinness, wildlife to farms, rock to trad, choosing to have only 2 children and according to someone (blanked out the name for my sanity) last night the 3 tenants of being Irish are: Fianna Fail, The Catholic Church and GAA.
I will hand myself over to the authorities and request that I am immediately deported to France.
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Originally Posted by Sheridan
Dear God, That has got to be the most pitiful and uneducated email I've read to date on the internet. (and thats some claim I know). Aside from the general theme (covered below) , the flippant references to the disgraceful abuse of children reflects poorly on you.
Back to your theme:
Your general ideaology is that just because we have something indigenous and unqiue to Ireland, then it must be naff and little worth. What do you base your Irishness on if it is not on the things that differentiate us from other countries? Do you view our natonal language similarily? Do you veiw your National anthem with the same contempt? Do you long for day when you can stroll down any Irish town and be restricted to only products/images available on UK or US highstreets.
Despite being primarily a GAA follower with no day to day affliation to LOI team, being Irish meant that I took pride also in the achievements of the performaces of LOI clubs when in Europe. Shels vs Hajduk & Deportivo. Drogheda vs Dynamo etc. My view would be that well run LOI clubs are something to be greatly proud of instead of the over hyped money driven premiership. A well run LOI with successful teams would be something that could live in tandem with GAA and also would be something "Irish" to be proud of.
I don't really expect a considered response and this mail is going against my general rule of
"Don't argue with a fool. He will only bring you down to his level and then beat you with experience"
but couldn't let your sad, uneducated little rant pass without some reply.
Finally, its no wonder that Dublin City FC went belly up pennyless in 2006 if the likes of your good self were involved and, while holding/expressing your views, you were expecing people to come out and support them?
PS
Your use of QED is laughable and ironic. Based on your email, it is likely that you only know that if you put it at the end of an argument, it might strengthen your point. (run off,check and then tell me how you knew all along)
It's Latin - a long since deceased day to day language. Its mandatory use in Irish schools decades ago was almost unique to Ireland. It too probably would have made your list back then as well. The phrase "QED and checkmate, boggers" was mind blowing and and suitable summary of your mindset.
good man rebus
I'm interested in your interpretation of 'popular' here. If you meant 'widespread' then you are wrong, there have been many documented cases in a lot of countries, notably the US. However, if you meant - as I think you did in your other examples - 'widely-enjoyed', then your post is absolutely disgusting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheridan
...AND he forgot Chris Rea and David ****ing Gray!
Arguable, at least, in the case of GAA football. This sport is more about being anti-'foreign' than native.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
I think you can highly value a lot of things Irish -- hurling, trad music, the language, the literature -- and still take a critical stance on GAA football, its culture and some of its more ignoble practices. Things just get weird when Irishness is equated with GAAness of the footballing variety.
Gaelic football is just a horrible mongrel mess of a game. What can it best be comared to?: perhaps soccer without rules - or fifteen goalkeepers against fifteen goalkeepers. As a ball sport it lacks any semblance of guile, asethetic merit or intelligence. It's brutish and nasty in every way.
Hurling often resembles a bunch of farmers in fancy dress hacking a rat to death... And you can't see the ball. As a spectator sport it's pointless.
It's just tribal county loyalty that attracts people to GAA matches.
What leads alot of LOI fans to believe that the vast majority of GAA people are anti foreign? I'm heavily involved and it isn't a character trait that I've noticed with the hundreds/thousands of people I've come across. - GAA people would be hugely proud of the sporting successes of Kevin Moran/Tadhg Kennelly/Gordon Darcy/Shane Horgan/Mick Galway (People who had the good sense to choose a career in "foreign sports over Gaa)For example, the vast majority has no issue with opening Croke Park. Unfortunately I can only surmise that its a view based on historical anecdotes, widely read tabloid rags and generalisations.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
I certainly won't tarnish the majority of LOI fans are being boorish louts based solely on the rare bit oif crowd trouble.
Alot of LOI fans seem preoccupied with the Gah and its faults while the reverse has never been seen.
As for hurling not being a skillful or spectator friendly sport - based loosely of farming led hit squads assisinating rats, unfortunately that view says more aboutyour good self that the sport itself. I guess some people take the time to acquire a taste for wine during their lives while stick with the firm belief that scrumpy jack is the best tipple on the market and never experiment.
I didn't say that. You said it was indigenous, but if you look at the lot of the rhetoric at the time of its founding, the main point seemed to be have been that it wasn't foreign.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
You seem to be attributing that to me, and I didn't say it (see my previous post on hurling). I'd appreciate it if you clarified that.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebus2008
Rebus2008, not to blow my own trumpet or anything, but neither you nor any of your kind are going to get very far arguing semantics or linguistics or pretty much anything else with me, particularly if you don't know the difference between an email and a post.
As for the other endearingly brave little have-a-go-heroes - quod scripsi, scripsi. And, if I may borrow a phrase from a prominent family on a neighbouring island, honi soit qui mal y pense.
Happy to clarify that. Apologies, if it linked you incorrectly. Included the ref to the original post (hurling assisantion squads) as indication that it wasn't yourself who made the reference.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
On the former point re:foreign points, it was founded 125years ago so present day members/association can hardly be held up on that. It was founded at a time very different from todays ireland. Certainly wouldn't argue the point that it was founded from a hard line nationalist view but aims/views chnage alot over a century.