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Look how even before Keano joined Sunderland the Irish media still gave them more press than either Bohs, Shamrock Rovers, Galway United or Derry City.
Same with web based views - shot up passed the LOI clubs.
and as one expected the non-media interest in Sunderland started to vanish a year ago while the morons in Irish journalism increased their obsession with this eh "Irish" club:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Bohs%...ate=all&sort=0
Get over it. Hes an Irish manager, who happens to be an ex-Irish captain and one of Ireland's best ever players, managing in what is probably one the best league in the world. There is bound to be some media attention over here and people want to see how he is getting on.
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Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
I am not neutral on this but there was attention on the appointment and subsequent career bordering on obsession.Quote:
Originally Posted by L37Ultra
Syndicated Rob Stewart articles from the Telegraph Northern football correspondent.
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...t-1564604.html
There should always be an initial media interest in an Irish success or appointment. Perhaps though, some sports news providers continued and hoped to benefit from expectant sales. This argument alone justifies the efforts of the Journalists.
change galway united for cork city and the stats change considerably
I put in "Cork City FC" as "Cork City" could be non-football related and the stats are interesting.
now this is the most telling of all...
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Eirco...ate=all&sort=0
The Irish media have had a hard time deciding if our health care system is more important than Sunderland
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Sunde...ate=all&sort=0
I mean, is Ireland the most ****ed up nation on earth. Our journalist are quite simply on another planet.
All these posts will help Sunderland's stats anyway!
Well done, fight the good fightQuote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
is it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
ive never searched Eircom League in my life
these are tough comparisons to make - would be best to try and say sunderland + sunderland FC + Roy Keane etc
vs Loi + League of Ireland + Eircom League + .....
it could be, but thats not to say all the searches for Sunderland are football relatedQuote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
or all the searches for Cork City are not football related
these comparisons mean nothing
Its an obsession we all have with Roy Keane, even those of us who don't froth at the mouth when it comes to the man will still read an article about him as he's an interesting character in a sport that nowadays has a serious shortage of them.
Big deal, the only people to blame for Sunderland getting more coverage than Bohs is the general Irish public who couldn't give two hoots about the league. If I were an editor on a Irish newspaper I'd have given more coverage to them too, because that's what the majority of the public wanted, and that's what their advertisers would have wanted to.
We're a niche market, we'll always be a niche market and we will get the niche market coverage from media that don't owe us a thing. I'd take issue if RTE had started a weekly hour long programme about Sunderland, but they didn't, so I won't
Expected more from another 37'er Jebus :(Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
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Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
Are you a Limerick fan this week so? :p:rolleyes:
I don't buy the "giving the people what they want" argument.
The modern media creates demand through saturation coverage and the "build them up so they have further to fall" tactics.
A large percentage of the population are morons who are unable to think for themselves and spout naive polarized views that they've been fed by the media, as evidenced by many of the texts about Keane into the radio shows over the last few days.
That saddens me Maniac :(Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
Why do you say that? The media has a public role: it is not a private domain.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Actually, redtops give 'us' -- i.e. the greatest sport in the world as it is expressed on this island -- more coverage than the so-called qualities. Is that because they somehow owe 'us' more?
RTE gets a licence fee precisely so that it is not at the mercy of ratings and can instead provide local (Irish) coverage.
I'm still trying to work out who Kathy French is :D. She didn't feature much in the news at all. Katy French on the other hand might have just crept on to the trend graph if only very briefly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Boh_So_Good
RTE does not get all its money from the license fee. They also make money from advertising. Therefore, like all businesses they need to be attractive to addvertisers.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Agree with jebus that other media outlets don't owe us anything. They are businesses.
Sunderland & Roy Keane is reality TV entertainment. People watched the Rod Squad TV show but they were not Carlisle or maybe even football fans.
Time for the media to find a new Oirish club.
Peterborough are owned by an Irish lad, aren't they?
I excluded RTE from my comments, but I'd be interested to know why you feel privately owned companies owe the League of Ireland anythingQuote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
I'd agree with Jebus that private media companies don't owe the eL anything, or owe anybody anything. They want to sell newspapers / TV commerial time, etc, lots of them, and will talk about what will sell (within whatever ethical limits they have, or don't have).
That said, the media are far more likely to create a sensation about British football than Irish football. People can be duped into becoming interested in something they normally wouldn't be interested in due to media frenzy over the issue, but I've never seen this done for an eL story (at least not a positive one).
They are private entities, but they operate in the public domain (that's why the Irish Times is run by a trust).
If they want to slavishly follow globalised sport because it's cheap and lots of saps will read any old guff that they print about it, then intelligent people should recognise that and see it for what is.
So the minority want it one way and the private entities that operate in the public domain go the way of popular opinion and they're wrong? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Back in reality the fault for any of this lies squarely on the Irish sporting public's shoulders, not the private entities operating in the public domain (which could be anything from Pat McGuff's local tavern to McDonalds it's such a loose term)
I'll try to ignore that ridiculously childish eye-roll and respond to the point made.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
It's not a matter of one way or the other. No one has suggested that the media goes totally from one extreme to the other. It's a matter of balance and proportion, i.e. balancing private, commercial interests v. the media's public role, and balancing EPL etc. v reporting on domestic football. A decent sporting media should be able to do that. It doesn't owe it to 'us'; it owes it to its readers, but much of the Irish media cops out of that and takes the easy road.
The Irish Times, which itself makes great play of its public role (and actually has a very good LoI corr) is one of the worst offenders. Some days, you'd imagine that football didn't exist on the island.
Fair enough, but that niche suddenly gets a lot bigger when there's a bad news tale to tell regarding the league.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
It's readers who couldn't care less if this league lives or dies?Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
Exactly, you're not there to fight your own fight - you're there to make the company for whom you work more profitable.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Football barely exists on this Island and that's not the error of the National media. The coverage is proportionate to the fan base. You can't blame the media for that and you can't charge them with the responsibility to increase the popularity of the league. If there was more demand for LOI coverage there'd be more coverage.Quote:
Originally Posted by BohDiddley
If you want the league to be more popular then approach every person you see in a Celtic, Man Utd, Liverpool, North London Scum (Red/White), Chelsea, Barcelona or Real Madrid Jersey and ask them to go and buy their local club's jersey and come to the games. Then watch media coverage grow.
If that's what you want, you go and do it. Don't pass the buck and blame the media, when you know it's your family, friends and neighbours who are letting this league down.
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Originally Posted by osarusan
Spot on, as usual. The sunderland thing was brilliantly architected by Drumaville. They flew all Irish journos out to Sunderland for their own "special" tour of the club. As ORA has said, the people Sunderland, and others, target will never think for themselves.
One doesn't exclude the other. We can do as you suggest (and many do put that into practice) but the media has a role to play too.Quote:
Originally Posted by GenerationXI
Sports editors love to say that they are simply reflecting public taste, and clearly lots of people buy into that. But we have already seen in the Sunderland an illustration of their being actively interested in promoting something in which there was no previous interest. You will also see sports sections and individual journalists promote sports in which they have a personal or professional stake but which do not have the following to justify the airtime or column inches: sailing, athletics, basketball...