You'll Never Walk Alone ?

Lads awful question I know, my dad was saying today that another team used "You'll never walk alone" before Liverpool. Celtic the obvious ones, United to a lesser extent (could be people taking the piddle).

If you could help I'd be greatful I'm insisting on Liverpool he insists otherwise and time is afterall his greatest friend in this case.

I know that they have a link with St. Pauli the german league side but the song dates back to the 60's. :ball::ball:

The question is -- What club actually first used the song????

Celtic, liverpool took it and claimed to sing it first, like they'll probably end up trying to do with that hideous version of Athenry they sing.

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Originally Posted by Axe Man

Lads awful question I know, my dad was saying today that another team used "You'll never walk alone" before Liverpool. Celtic the obvious ones, United to a lesser extent (could be people taking the piddle).

If you could help I'd be greatful I'm insisting on Liverpool he insists otherwise and time is afterall his greatest friend in this case.

I know that they have a link with St. Pauli the german league side but the song dates back to the 60's. :ball::ball:

The question is -- What club actually first used the song????

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hey axe man -- i heard Man that United sang it as well as liverpool years and years ago

i believe they sang it after the munich are disaster in 1958

other teams that sing it ..see link
http://home.no.net/perroe/ynwa/footb...footballuk.htm

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Originally Posted by Splurge

Celtic, liverpool took it and claimed to sing it first

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Can you back that up? Were Rodgers and Hammerstein show tunes popular in the east end of Glasgow in the early sixties?

The Kop sang a lot of pop songs from the day, and when Gerry and the Pacemakers released this they sang it too, but it stuck.

During the 60's and 70's lots of clubs sang it, right into the 90's clubs like Villa and Boro were still singing it. There's (in)famous footage of United singing it outside the Town Hall when Tommy Doc is telling the fans they'd win the cup the next year on their return from losing to an offside Southamption goal in 76.

Frankly, the scousers and scots are welcome to fight over who sang the awful dirge first, but it was ubiquitous in the 60's and 70's. The Go West of it's era.

Well, yes, when I said the Kop sang it, I didn't mean exclusively. The point being that when it was released in '63 a lot of clubs sang it, so no-one is stealing it from anyone else.

See here

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_socc...lk_Alone_first

They say Liverpool.

Who cares?? They both sing it superbly and there's no other club in the World with atmospheres as good as Anfield and Celtic Park. So if your there sing it.. And if not, don't..

Celtic picked it up from Liverpool at the 65-6 Cup Winners Cup semi-final.

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Originally Posted by gspain

See here

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Which_socc...lk_Alone_first

They say Liverpool.

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see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27l...one_%28song%29

a show tune out of rodgers & hammerstein musical , carousel 1945
credited to celtic fans in early 1940's , song also sung at football clubs around the world by massed chorus of supporters on matchday: this tradition began at celtic in the 1940's ....... liverpool only adopted after gerry and pacemakers version in 1963 some 23 years later so the scousers have been singing a celtic song for over 60 years now ... :D always thought the celtic fans at parkhead version was better anyway .

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Originally Posted by old git

see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27l...one_%28song%29

a show tune out of rodgers & hammerstein musical , carousel 1945
credited to celtic fans in early 1940's , song also sung at football clubs around the world by massed chorus of supporters on matchday: this tradition began at celtic in the 1940's .......

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I see there, but I don't see any evidence to back it up. Back in the '40s people on terraces didn't sing they way they do now. That trend only started in the '60s. Are we to believe that those working class Glaswegians of the '40s liked to sing show tunes on the terraces?
And if so, at what point did they decide to start to sing it in the style of Gerry and the Pacemakers?

This sounds more plausible.

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Originally Posted by noby

I see there, but I don't see any evidence to back it up. Back in the '40s people on terraces didn't sing they way they do now. That trend only started in the '60s. Are we to believe that those working class Glaswegians of the '40s liked to sing show tunes on the terraces?
And if so, at what point did they decide to start to sing it in the style of Gerry and the Pacemakers?

This sounds more plausible.

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what evidence do we have it started at liverpool .. only the press / liverpool ...

who is to say celtic fans in the 4o's did not have the original version of todays song,, as for working class glaswegians of the 40's singing show tunes ,, what else had they at the time not a lot of music etc / t.v. it was all shows ,,in 60's after all working class liverpool fans adopted their version of a popular show tune / music from gerry and the pacemakers ..

living in glasgow in 40's during the 2nd world war / struggling to find work the song would have been a perfect anthem for the working class gaswegians..

when you walk through a storm
hold your head up high
and don't be afraid of the dark
at the end of a storm is a golden sky
and the sweet silver song of a lark
walk on through the wind
walk on through the rain
tho' your dreams be tossed and blown
walk on, walk on with hope in your heart
and you'll never walk alone
you'll never , ever walk alone

so it don't find it hard to believe it may have been possible celtic fans sung first original version of song :eek:

there is even stories of man utd fans singing song before liverpool .. in 5o's / 60's ... now that would be some story :D

I surpised the Derry fans haven't claimed it , they seem to be the best at everything and invent all the songs :-)

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Originally Posted by londonred

I surpised the Derry fans haven't claimed it , they seem to be the best at everything and invent all the songs :-)

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i'm sure they probally will claim it .. just they are all now checking back over the derry version of world history .. :D

I've read about Celtic fans singing Hail Glorious St Patrick in the 20s, but its a bit of a jump to YNWA. It's appearance onthe Kop at the time of the Gerry and Pacemakers version ala the Beatles tunes at the same time seems eminently more likely.

Here's one for the anti-Scouser brigade (hang on a sec while I put on a helmet),
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...ns-stevenwells

The Panorama clip is well worth a look

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Originally Posted by old git

what evidence do we have it started at liverpool .. only the press

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Only the press? There's tv footage of the Kop singing it in early '64 on a Panorama special, as well as other press accounts. I think that's a little more substantial than a throwaway line on Wikipedia.
I don't particularly care who sang it first, by the way, but like Grissom I like to follow the evidence.

Personally I think any number of terraces took up the song after the '63 release, but I find it hard to believe it pre-dates this as a terrace song. Before the '60s football crowds were more like GAA crowds, with little or no 'organised' singing and plenty of shouts of encouragement and applause.

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Originally Posted by noby

Only the press? There's tv footage of the Kop singing it in early '64 on a Panorama special, as well as other press accounts. I think that's a little more substantial than a throwaway line on Wikipedia.
I don't particularly care who sang it first, by the way, but like Grissom I like to follow the evidence.

Personally I think any number of terraces took up the song after the '63 release, but I find it hard to believe it pre-dates this as a terrace song. Before the '60s football crowds were more like GAA crowds, with little or no 'organised' singing and plenty of shouts of encouragement and applause.

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tv footage was it not the beatles song early 60's ... with the kop singing she loves you yeah / yeah. this was the first memory i have of the famous kop in action..
most of the evidence does indeed point to liverpool first singing you'll never walk alone.. tv / press etc .. but don't forget in years gone past english media were very pro english .. only one country with best football / rugby / cricket teams / music/ writters you name it . actually they still are the same now :D

dont forget the same media / t.v acclaimed man utd as the first english winners of the old european cup nearly a year after a homegrown celtic f.c had already won the same competition :D

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Originally Posted by old git

dont forget the same media / t.v acclaimed man utd as the first english winners of the old european cup nearly a year after a homegrown celtic f.c had already won the same competition :D

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And what part of that claim is false?

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Originally Posted by old git

dont forget the same media / t.v acclaimed man utd as the first english winners of the old european cup nearly a year after a homegrown celtic f.c had already won the same competition :D

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So Celtic are English?

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Originally Posted by seand

Here's one for the anti-Scouser brigade (hang on a sec while I put on a helmet),
http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog...ns-stevenwells

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So we're to believe a yank and a professional scouser with a makey up job at a scouse polytechnic? Don't know whether they invented it, but they definitely went some way to feckin kill it...

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Originally Posted by Macy

So Celtic are English?

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of course not ,, point i'm trying to make is this achievement was nearly ignored due to the fact they were a scottish team ... or sorry a british team when doing well by media / t.v etc :ball:

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Originally Posted by noby

And what part of that claim is false?

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when celtic won european cup they were classed as the first british team to win it .. :confused: untill utd won it and suddenly a english team won it . and celtics achievement was quickly forgoten about :ball:

when it suits media / t.v even now irish teams / scottish / welsh / players / golfers etc still get called british when they win something but revert back to thier own nationalitys when beaten ...
so the british press / t.v / media are fairly regular in making false claims. :ball:

I read somewhere (already mentioned here) that it was sung at one of the Manchester United games at Old Trafford shortly after the Munich Air Disaster in 1958.


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Here ya go: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co...._our_song.html

Not sure whether to believe this 61 year old though...

Besides Mrs. Crazy-eyed-woman from Manchester claim, there seems to be no other evidence of this account. Even someone who used the account in a book had to admit as much.
Anyway my Grandad sang it in the '30s in Kilcohen, ever before the musical was penned, and the whole crowd joined in, miraculously knowing the words of the yet-to-be-written song. I have no other evidence to back this up, but I will be shortly writing a wiki page on the matter, and writing a strongly worded letter to the now defunct Waterford People, clearing up, once and for all, the origins of the terrace song.
I will also mention in the letter the fact that the British media gloss over Waterford United when they mention Celtic as the first British winners of the European Cup just because they're not British and they've never won it.
Also, the colour blue didn't exist until Waterford United invented it.
That should clear all matters up.

Sorry, I just want to clear this up - are Celtic Scottish, Irish, English or British or some or all of the above? And if so, why are they so bigotted against the Welsh.

I can also confirm that Waterford fans invented 1960s nostalgia.

This may be in danger of getting a bit off-topic lads;)
:D

What version of Molly Malone were Chelsea fans singing at their game against Stoke yesterday?

Think it's the one where her wheelbarrow is full of celery.

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Originally Posted by stann

Think it's the one where her wheelbarrow is full of celery.

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:)

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

What version of Molly Malone were Chelsea fans singing at their game against Stoke yesterday?

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Speaking of the Blues. Leeds Utd. fans could be heard singing a song including
"...the Chelsea scum." in their FA Cup First Round Replay away to Northampton Town. Great wags for the sense of humour.

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Originally Posted by old git

see here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/You%27l...one_%28song%29

a show tune out of rodgers & hammerstein musical , carousel 1945
credited to celtic fans in early 1940's , song also sung at football clubs around the world by massed chorus of supporters on matchday: this tradition began at celtic in the 1940's ....... liverpool only adopted after gerry and pacemakers version in 1963 some 23 years later so the scousers have been singing a celtic song for over 60 years now ... :D always thought the celtic fans at parkhead version was better anyway .

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There was no such thing as singing on the terraces in the 1940's, a completely different era. At least do your homework before you post ;)

Secondly, the original version of YNWA from the rodgers & hammerstein musical is not even related to the one Gerry & the pacemakers sang, completely different altogether. It's like comparing a dance music version of a rock song. No football fans ever sang the rodgers & hammerstein version on the terraces, as (a) it wasn't a football orientated or suitablly composed song to sing and (b) their sexuality would've been seriously questioned!

The singing on the terraces didn't happen until the swinging sixties and it started with pop/chart songs. It was most prominent at Anfield and initially began during the half-time interval when the announcer/dj played those songs. YNWA was one of these. It later evolved to being sung during the game. Liverpool sang it first, but unlike all other chart songs of the time, they continued to sing YNWA after it had exited the charts and the dj stopped playing it. Thus they adopted it as their own and it was a firm favourite as Gerry and the Pacemakers were a local band. Liverpool adopted it, everyone else followed. The Man Utd rumour is just that and a wind up myth used by Utd fans. There is not one shred of evidence to support YNWA being sung pre Gerry and the Pacemakers or pre Liverpool. The Celtic link is also false as pre Hillsborough YNWA was not sung on the terraces by Celtic fans. Show me pre-hillsborough footage of them doing so and i'll eat my own shorts....

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Originally Posted by HarpoJoyce

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Speaking of the Blues. Leeds Utd. fans could be heard singing a song including
"...the Chelsea scum." in their FA Cup First Round Replay away to Northampton Town. Great wags for the sense of humour.

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Probably - to the tune of Que Sera Sera

'When I was just a little boy I asked my mother what should I be
Should I be Chelsea, should I be Leeds heres what she said to me,
wash out your mouth my son, and go get your fathers gun and shoot the chelsea scum, shoot the chelsea scum'

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Originally Posted by Newryrep

Probably - to the tune of Que Sera Sera

'When I was just a little boy I asked my mother what should I be
Should I be Chelsea, should I be Leeds heres what she said to me,
wash out your mouth my son, and go get your fathers gun and shoot the chelsea scum, shoot the chelsea scum'

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Leeds copying THE BIG CLUB I see. ;)

Leeds wasted millions before the big club did :p

First time I heard singing at a match in Ireland was the first match I ever attended with my old man (I was 7). Rovers v Waterford 1969. Loads of Skinheads at the game. We shall not be moved was belted out by the Rovers fans.

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

There was no such thing as singing on the terraces in the 1940's, a completely different era. At least do your homework before you post ;)

Secondly, the original version of YNWA from the rodgers & hammerstein musical is not even related to the one Gerry & the pacemakers sang, completely different altogether. It's like comparing a dance music version of a rock song. No football fans ever sang the rodgers & hammerstein version on the terraces, as (a) it wasn't a football orientated or suitablly composed song to sing and (b) their sexuality would've been seriously questioned!

The singing on the terraces didn't happen until the swinging sixties and it started with pop/chart songs. It was most prominent at Anfield and initially began during the half-time interval when the announcer/dj played those songs. YNWA was one of these. It later evolved to being sung during the game. Liverpool sang it first, but unlike all other chart songs of the time, they continued to sing YNWA after it had exited the charts and the dj stopped playing it. Thus they adopted it as their own and it was a firm favourite as Gerry and the Pacemakers were a local band. Liverpool adopted it, everyone else followed. The Man Utd rumour is just that and a wind up myth used by Utd fans. There is not one shred of evidence to support YNWA being sung pre Gerry and the Pacemakers or pre Liverpool. The Celtic link is also false as pre Hillsborough YNWA was not sung on the terraces by Celtic fans. Show me pre-hillsborough footage of them doing so and i'll eat my own shorts....

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pity ya did not say man utd

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH3LJ8TFbdM