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Heard this on the radio this morning.
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http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2008/...tpatricks.html
Heard this on the radio this morning.
just on FM 104:
investigation under way into allegations St Pats players bet on themselves to lose in matches. the games in question are against Cobh and Galway
This is a shocking allegation against Pats and the league.
But, if found out to be true I think they should be relegated as punishment. Also any players caught should be given really long bans, at least a season each.
Zero tolerance required by the FAI on this one as the whole credibility of the league is at stake!
bhs
Ya heard this on radio 1 this morning. Apparently Sadlier met the players last night and is starting an investigation.
Add this to the Boh's court case today and it could prove a very dark day for the league not to mention we could be relegated tonight
Very difficult to prove (similar rumours about Derry & Sligo last year) but should be a life ban if so.
Waste of time unless the Pats players are really stupid and got their brother to put a few thousand on the game.
Heard these rumours immediately after the game against Cobh. It'll be difficult to prove, but the fact that there's even an investigation would seem to indicate that there's reason for suspicion.
Dude, we're talking about footballers here!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers Maniac
Pretty suspect alright. Is there a rule against players betting on matches? As in betting on their own team to win.
I feel sorry for Finn Harps in all this,if they get relegated as a result of thrown matches against two of harps' main rivals its very unfair.
Whether its proven or not it is obvious Pats are incapable of losing 3nil at home to cobh if they were trying.
lol :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
I'd reserve judgement on this.
Who wrote the article in the Irish Daily Mail?
Quote from RTE piece:
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The club's Chief Executive, Richard Saddlier, has revealed that he is 'extremly concerned' about the allegations and confirmed that he held a meeting with the players last night in connection with the report.
Well there is always a good point to a day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by KBurke
I'd wait until something is proven. I mean Pats were effectively left with nothing to play for, and the games against Galway and Cobh they were playing teams fighting for survival.
Of course the media are loving another chance to have a pop at the league, and the bookies will be loving the chance to welch on winning bets.
such a farce the league. wouldnt surprise me if it was true though. couldnt believe pats were losing all those games at the time.
i backed galway to beat pats . Hope they dont come looking for the money back.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
It's worth bearing in mind that the Daily Mail are an absolute shower of cúnts; however, should these allegations prove to be true, the players concerned are in serious trouble (Rules 99 & 100). Unless the entire team and management were involved (unlikely), I can't see any grounds for sanctions against the club.
Technically Pats could still win the league when they played against Cobh, even if effectively it was over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Here's the Irish Times take on it:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...925540806.html
It's free these days.
It's poor form if players are backing against themselves, although we've all heard of it happening in the past. The games that were supposed to be affected last year were fairly meaningless whereas the games concerned here could have a major impact on the relegation battle.
It's depressing that yet another scandal has hit the league. On the plus side the media coverage is through the roof!
If Bohs win the Cup & Pats finish 2nd they'd go straight into 2nd QR Europa Cup (& get the money for 1st round in addition). There should be motivation there.
could it be that johnny slaphead is trying to save his job.
Spot on Macy. The meeting was only called on the back of newspaper reports. Here's the sadlier quotes above in more contextQuote:
Originally Posted by Macy
"I called them in because I didn't want them just waking up to something like that," he said. "I had the meeting to make them aware of it."
"I would assume and hope that they are, but we can't just ignore something like that, we'll look into it as much as we can.
"I'm disappointed, though, that our club is going to be written about in this context and disappointed, too, that players I presume to be innocent until some evidence to the contrary is uncovered might end up having some sort of cloud hanging over them."
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Lazy journos acting on PP's statement about Longford/Monaghan and looking at this forum.
Pats have been ****e for months now. Nothing to do with gambling. Just some rubbish players, some not giving a ********, and a manager who's lost it.
Oh and I backed Cobh and Galway in those games. Couldn't see how we'd care enough
Based on the provenance of the report, I wouldn't be jumping to any conclusions. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if the whole idea germinated in some tabloid cretin's head as a result of threads on this very forum. As for Sadlier being "extremely concerned" - well, who wouldn't be? Doesn't mean he thinks there's any truth in it.
Yeah, what Dodge said. Full quote makes it a lot clearer.
So who are Pats betting on tonight? :D
This happens a lot more than you would think. Look at it this way:
I play for say..... Athlone...
I haven't been paid in 5 weeks
I have, a wife, a kid, a mortgage
I work 9-5 in an office and make modest money
We are playing say........ Kildare
They are guaranteed to finish bottom and we are guaranteed to be 2nd from bottom
None of the 22 players make much money from football
Nothing to play for
Get a mate to stick a grand on us to lose
double my money
Pay my mortgage
No-one's the wiser..............
I'm not condoning this but it's just a view into the mindset of a player
I'm not a player by the way, that's a fictional scenario!!!:D:cool:
Yeah, you actually work 9 to 5.30.
who wrote the daily mail piece??
Dave RogersQuote:
Originally Posted by DRDoc
Pats had a reserve side out against Galway, they played 2 days previous and they had nothing to play for. Also, Galway had a very good record against St Pats.
I don't think they lost on purpose.
One of the reasons the papers write this things about the FAI and the clubs is because they can and never get sued.
If this is without foundation (and I dearly hope it is) then the club should sue.
plus galway were 4/1
anyone who didnt back them is a mug.
*hopefully* just bookies realising how thick they are when it comes to eL odds and giving out a nothign story which the mail picked up on.
btw - 8/1 tonight for the 0-0 with ucd. put the mortgage on it.
wouldnt the whole team need to be in on it tho. unless your the goalie and have an "off" night.Quote:
Originally Posted by randomcomment
For the record here's the teams in questions
V Cobh
ST PATRICKS ATHLETIC: Barry Ryan (Friesz, half-time); O'Cearuill (Bialek, 69 mins), Harris, Gavin, Rogers; Brennan, Fahey, Dempsey, Kirby; Guy, G Fitzpatrick (S Fitzpatrick, 65 mins)
V Galway
St Patrick's Athletic : Friesz; Haverty, Gavin, Partridge, O'Cearuill; O'Brien (Harris, 75 mins.), Brennan, Bialek, Byrne (Fahey, 62 mins.); G. Fitzpatrick, S. Fitzpatrick (Guy, 66 mins.).
As you can see, nothing like first choice teams. Injuries, suspensions and big games v hertha and Bohs meant a lot of regulars missing
Below from www.fai.ie
The Football Association of Ireland today confirmed that it will carry out an investigation into suspected irregular betting patterns around recent St Patrick’s Athletic FC fixtures. The FAI has this morning written to St Patrick’s Athletic and a number of bookmakers asking that they share any information they might have to substantiate the suspicions raised by the club. The FAI welcomes St Patrick’s Athletic FC’s decision to raise this matter with players and will ensure that a thorough investigation is carried out to determine if there is any substance to these claims.
And add to that the Pats palyers had 1 days rest against Galway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
There's the two relevant rules from the FAI rule book. If the any players allegedly involved were not in the match day squad it might be argued that they were not participating and had no control over the result. The only thing they might have done wrong would be acting on "confidential information" (the team selection) and it might be debatable as to how confidential that is.Quote:
RULE 99. MANIPULATING MATCH RESULTS
Anyone who conspires to influence the result of a match in a manner incompatible with sporting ethics shall be sanctioned with a suspension and a fine. The disciplinary body may also impose a ban on taking part in any football-related activity; in serious cases this sanction shall apply for life.
RULE 100. BETTING/GAMBLING
Anyone who directly or indirectly bets, instructs someone to bet on their behalf, provides others with confidential information or enables another person to bet for that participants own benefit on a result, conduct or progress of a match or competition in which that person is participating or has control over the result, conduct or progress of a match or competition shall be subject to disciplinary sanctions.
Just 3 lads can change a result!!
I don't have a mortage, should I still abck it? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by Danny