Been threads asking for ever other player to be dropped so though O'Shea need one given he possibly the worst irish players on saturday.
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Been threads asking for ever other player to be dropped so though O'Shea need one given he possibly the worst irish players on saturday.
I agree that O'Shea was one of our worst players..he is a young lad and dropping him would destroy his confidence which must be at an all time low at the mo...he will be quality so stick with I'd say... also Healy didn't play well but was exposed because of hollands lack of support...Holland is the senior player he should have been helping healy not expecting Healy to do it on his own....Healy actually kept trying to pass the ball and was tackling.
Depends on where you think his best position is.I am now convinced he's not a centre-half, and I think Alex Ferguson acknowledged this some time ago. When's the last time United played him there?? He's a left-full, or at a push...central midfielder.Quote:
Originally posted by pete
Been threads asking for ever other player to be dropped so though O'Shea need one given he possibly the worst irish players on saturday.
An excellent left-full I must point out too.
one bad game doesnt make a person a bad player
O'Shea was great last season for Manyoo and Ireland - poor on saturday but that doesn't make him a bad defender - maybe 2nd season syndrome.
I'm a bit concerned re talk of a clear out when we don't have obvious replacements.
Yes I'm depressed - almost as depressed as the flight back from Skopje but we came back from that lost a playoff on away goals and qualified for Japan.
We badly need somebody in central midfield. We could do with a target man (Walters looked good on friday night) but it's not all bad.
John O'Shea will be a key figure for us for years to come if Taggart doesn't persaude him to retire from International football.
I don't think O'Shea's performances for MUFC have been all that good this year either. But he shouldn't be dropped.
However, I agree with joesoap, he's not a central defender. At least, he's not up to playing there yet. Centre-half is a position he may grow into, but he's too young and too in-experienced to play there at this stage. He may get away with occassionally at club level, but international is a bt different.
Ideally, I'd drop Harte and stick O'Shea on the left side of the defence. He can do a very effective job there. Breen and Cunningham can hopefully continue in the centre for a while longer.
I dunno if he been crap in the Ian Harte kinda way but certainly not been the start for Irealnd that all the Manchester folks would like him to be.Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
O'Shea has been consistently crap for Ireland. He seems to play well for Man Yoo alright, but he has been pretty horrible for Ireland and has been turned inside out by average players in games. He has a lot to prove in a green shirt, he's done little or nothing yet.
Saturday showed that O'Shea definitely not ready for centre back at international level. If Billy Woods was playing left full back (easiest position on the pitch) for Manchester he'd probably look like a world beater too.
Should shut up the anti-Breen brigade for a while anyway.
I hate it when managers insist on playing players out of position ala O'Shea on Saturday. Sure Ireland were stuck but do you remember when McCarthy persevered with Harte at centre-half for awhile?? :rolleyes:
Same ol story isnt it. A young player breaks thru in his first season and struggles in his second. His form with Unitwed hasnt been great either. I dont think he ever really adapted to international football.
having said all that he will be great.
This is possibly the most stupid debate I have ever seen. O'Shea is the future of Irish football and that future is as a centre back. He should start every international at centre back and should be Irelands next captain. I am basing this on the fact that O'Shea is the best young defender in England, although it will take time for him to impose himself at international level.
Given had a bad match too, but I wouldn't drop him!
as the best young defender in england he has played most of his games in the left back position so why should he play at centre back for his country when he has earned such an accolade from a different position
I'll have you know I am a Liverpool fan, so it goes without saying that I do not have a Giggsy duvet and Ruud slippers.Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
O'Shea is fantastic? Roy Keane is a God?
You got the Giggsy duvet and the Ruud slippers yet?;) ...
Anyone who questions O'Shea's ability to perform at international level is stupid, plain and simple, you are an idiot.
As for why he should be played at centre back, this is also quite simple, he is a centre back. He has been accomidated in the United team at left back, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a centre back.
You're not trying to confuse us a tad here, are you??:confused:Quote:
Originally posted by carnstein
As for why he should be played at centre back, this is also quite simple, he is a centre back. He has been accomidated in the United team at centre back, but that doesn't change the fact that he is a centre back.
O'Shea will be a very good centre back and probably will eventually be Irish captain, looking at the highlights of the chelsea game last night though pointed out how much we missed Kenny Cunningham, he was outstanding.
O'Shea had a horrible game, but he's been off form for the last few weeks, it's a shame it came in such an important game, but calling for one of our brightest prospects to be dropped would be shooting ourselves in the foot.
Sadly JohnO lacks a bit of aggression for a centre-half.Will that come with age and experience?I'm not so sure.Players have it naturally.Matt Upson or John Terry have neither age or huge experience but are tough defenders already.Having said this I've no doubt he'll be world class at some stage but probably at left back.
O'Shea seems to lack a number of things that make up a great centre-half. He doesn't have the concentration or the determination of a natural there.
Maybe he's better suited to a sweeper role behind two defenders, but I do think that he should be tried in midfield, and maybe moved eventually to centre-half, perhaps when Cunningham retires.
Don't over-react to the Swiss game. O'Shea is inexperienced, and, as someone already said, totally off-form for Man Utd too. He'll come good, and it's not like we've a lack of free time for him to do it in right now.
How anyone can call Stephen Gerrard overrated is beyond me, it shows your lack of knowlege of the priemership.Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
I think O'Shea is vastly overrated, an Irish Ashley Cole or Steven Gerrard as you were.
I hope he improves, but that hialrious talk of making him captain? I do remember someone using the phrase "you are an idiot"...
I would bet my life that John O'Shea will be Irish captain in the future, for some reason you doubt his ability, I do not. He will have a sensational career at centre back for Ireland and will go down as one of the all time greats. As it is clear that this argruement is going nowhere I am going to end it now and let time prove you wrong.
Double standards?
I am anything but blind in my loyalty to Liverpool, the club is a shamble's, they have accumulated 42 points from their previous 35 league games, which is the number of points West Ham were relegated with. This form is simply shocking but anyone who knows the club will know that this is certainly not down to Stephen Gerrard (or Micheal Owen), it is the players around them, the players who have been brought in by that clueless piece of **** Gerrard Houllier.Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
The fun never stops. Poor Stevie captained the Liverpool team to their loss against Portsmouth. That now leaves Liverpool with 6 wins in their last 24 games. Carnstein, if nothing else I admire your blind loyalty.
Liverpools problems are of Houlliers making, he gets the worst out of players like Gerrard when the likes of Eriksson can get the best and he supliments his ability to ruin good players with his ability to buy even worse players.
When Houllier goes you will see the real Stephen Gerrard, he is an absolutly outstanding player with the ability to go as far as he wants in the game, similar to a certain Mr. O'Shea really.
That's a bit harsh. He's off-form, hardly a novel problem for a young player. And Fortune's pretty effective as a left-back. He seems to be more a wing-back than a pure winger.Quote:
Originally posted by Conor74
Saw O'Shea Saturday. His career has now reached the stage where Quentin Fortune is selected at full back before him. When he came on it (due to Fortune getting an injury) was obvious why Ferguson dropped him, as he proceeded to hit two passes ten yards straight at the opposition. Even Keane lost the head with him. He has been dropped from his club in favour of a weak player who is being played out of position. That's hardly the form to make you captain of your national side.
On the subject of left backs .. I know he's a bit of an easy target these days .. but Harte was at fault for both Irish goals in Switzerland, not O'Shea. He didn't track Yakin's run for the first one, and he was caught between the ball and player for the second one. I didn't actually catch it live at the game .. but if you look at the video, and do a Gilesy&Dunphy magic pen on it, it becomes more apparent. For those like meself who were lucky enough to be at the match, but didn't see the goals on tv, you can see them at http://www.fabienbarthez.tk/ . click on other videos (left-hand side of the page) and then international goals and scroll down to the very bottom.
I guess in hindsight, Finnan was the man to play on the left ..
I must say I thought O'Shea did alright against Rangers last night. He looked good when linking up with Giggs in attack on the left, although to be fair he did have some hairy moments when Lovenkrands went right at him. He showed several times how quick his feet are, digging out passes he had no right to play. He definitely needs to spend the summer with Ian Harte taking a course in The Rudiments of Defending.
Actually, Ian Harte needs to take one in The Art of Turning 180 Degrees in Less than 3 Minutes.
O'Shea played well last night...booked after 30 secs in an atmosphere that detests him....he was in trouble twice with bloverkrands early on after that he had him in his pocket and Lovenkrands pushed into the centre where he made ferdinand look waht he is ...ordianry....
O'Shea will be fine and will be a super player for Ireland.....
that other Irish palyer for Utd wasn't half bad either...wonder if he would like a game in the green..lol
Jaysus Ozymandias, let it go will you. I'm beginning to think you're obsessed with this. Let's move on!;)Quote:
Originally posted by Ozymandias
that other Irish palyer for Utd wasn't half bad either...wonder if he would like a game in the green..lol
I;ll give ya that one greenbod...lol....