Certain Journos

a journo in the indo today complains in this sundays paper that the irish team has no style and should be dispatching cyprus with ease.

Personally I'm fine with winning at any cost. Jack's teams were hardly silky skill merchants.

qualification please. style be damned.

He also moans that the poland game will be under-attended. This is no surprise. It's a midweek friendly against Poland. Who cares. The only people pleased about this game are the poles in ireland. You'd swear every ireland friendly over the last 20 years was packed to the rafters the way he is carrying on. Hands up who has been at lansdowne on a wet march night watching ireland play czech republic/greece/nigeria/usa(very wet) when there were thousands of empty seats.

journos, please do one/sling yer hook.

I won't mention the chap by name as I don't wish to give him the notoriety.

what say you all.. are the journos clutching at straws or is there a case?

Lazy jounralism at work again. Probably one of Dunphy's buddies trying to cause trouble for Trap. We're in danger of turning into the English press if fools like Dunphy and this Indo guy (Ahern, perhaps?) start manufacturing consent like this.

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Originally Posted by superfrank

Lazy jounralism at work again. Probably one of Dunphy's buddies trying to cause trouble for Trap. We're in danger of turning into the English press if fools like Dunphy and this Indo guy (Ahern, perhaps?) start manufacturing consent like this.

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Probably more like the journos that wanted Venables appointed rather than Trap and cant wait for him to fail

I read another article in the Sindo at the weekend by John O'Brien, It was dreadful stuff, his comments about Trapps defence made me laugh out loud -

who else we got John who is going to fill these positions you wrote so cuttingly about - the extract was something in the way of - how can we take a manager seriously who puts O'shea and McShane in defence - WHO ELSE HAVE WE GOT JOHN???

These scum are never happy , just waiting for the first opportunity for Trap to fail , We have done great so far , so the performance wasn't great against Cyprus , but we won , I'd take plenty more so so performances if it meant three points.

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Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

He also moans that the poland game will be under-attended. This is no surprise. It's a midweek friendly against Poland. Who cares. The only people pleased about this game are the poles in ireland. You'd swear every ireland friendly over the last 20 years was packed to the rafters the way he is carrying on. Hands up who has been at lansdowne on a wet march night watching ireland play czech republic/greece/nigeria/usa(very wet) when there were thousands of empty seats.
journos, please do one/sling yer hook.

I won't mention the chap by name as I don't wish to give him the notoriety.

what say you all.. are the journos clutching at straws or is there a case?

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My hands up and plenty of real fans who follow teams through and through will have been there. Are you one of these who only go to the big games? Wheres the real fans!!!

They'll be happy if they are on a first class ticket to South Africa in less than 2 years time. I thought he was also disrespectful to Cyprus - a team which outplayed Italy a few weeks ago + a country which now has a team in the group stages of the CL.

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Originally Posted by dynamo kerry

Hands up who has been at lansdowne on a wet march night watching ireland play czech republic/greece/nigeria/usa(very wet) when there were thousands of empty seats.

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i presume you refer to the friendly we beat the czechs 3-2? one of the best matches i was ever at. 2 nil down and came back to win 3-2!

i take your point on the journalists. real sour people. we had 1 pt from 3 matches in the last campaign yet this time have 7 from 3 games. cant argue with that!

You are all getting a bit heated about the opinions of a couple of journalists.

While there has been some disgracefully unprofessional stuff written over the last few years in Irish Football it does not mean every journalist who writes an article that you disagree with is a muck-raker looking to cause trouble. You would say yes if there was no foundation, but of course there are things to worry about under Trap.

You'd have to be a fool not to spot them. We knew we were getting a negative manager who will aim to keep things tight, so how the hell can you be surprised to read an article that there is no style to our play? Of course this was going to happen under Trap. Some people value style of play over a results at any cost attitude. I myself am generally like that, but am happy to put up with our current gameplan to get us settled after the last couple of years of turmoil.

It's not a ridiculous argument to ask how can we play McShane and O'Shea in defence. Have you not been around to watch the shambles that is O'Shea over the last few years. I was asking last year that he be let nowhere near the team, although it's a pleasant surprise to see him start to turn it around. McShane has quite obviously shown over the last year that he is not up to it. So what is so wrong with asking why they are there. Players should be picked on form. And of course we have options. Or are you not aware of the names in our squad and outside it that play in defence? Plenty of them play well at club level, and deserve to be picked on form. Foley and O'Brien alone for the right back position that McShane made a mess of.

I'm fully behind Trapattoni, but also fully aware of the problems so far. Too many Ireland fans are way too touchy.

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Originally Posted by jbyrne

i presume you refer to the friendly we beat the czechs 3-2? one of the best matches i was ever at. 2 nil down and came back to win 3-2!

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:confused
a friendly was one of the best matches you were ever at?

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

:confused
a friendly was one of the best matches you were ever at?

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yes, most home friendlys are complete rubbish but that was was a great game and good atmosphere. how is that confusing?

I was using the confused smiley to express surprise. dunno why it came out as text
just dont get excited about friendlies myself. surprised anyone would be excited by that game.

Actually jbyrne is correct imo - that friendly was the turning-point in Mick McCarthy's tenure as manager. The team that night (except for Paul Butler) was essentially the same that qualified for Japorea, with Roy Keane coming in for either Holland or Kinsella depending on who was available.
Incidentally, watching it afterwards I recall George Hamilton remarking on the healthy attendance (about 25k), saying where else in Europe would you get an attendance like that for a friendly on a such a night

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

I was using the confused smiley to express surprise. dunno why it came out as text
just dont get excited about friendlies myself. surprised anyone would be excited by that game.

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it was a good game with atmosphere were we came from 2 down to beat one of the better teams in europe at the time. simple as that really

would agree most friendlies are useless though

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Originally Posted by monutdfc

Incidentally, watching it afterwards I recall George Hamilton remarking on the healthy attendance (about 25k), saying where else in Europe would you get an attendance like that for a friendly on a such a night

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He is legally obliged to say this for every friendly match rte shows.

Its been changed to include all qualifiers too.

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Originally Posted by Billsthoughts

He is legally obliged to say this for every friendly match rte shows.

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jeez christ what the hell you talking about.

If you look back for the last couple of years Ireland have had top attendence in quite a few matches in the international scene.

there was about 33,000 there that night and you would find it harder to get a bigger crowd for game where Ireland were not preparing for nay major championship while the Czechs were.

there was 52,000 or so at game last wedensday night I dont think there was too many more at other games across Europe.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian

jeez christ what the hell you talking about

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He's talking about george Hamilton's overuse of certain phrases and cliches

What did you think he was talking about?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

He's talking about george Hamilton's overuse of certain phrases and cliches

What did you think he was talking about?

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aaa ya I know I was being bloody sarcastic

did ya not read the rest of it no.

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Originally Posted by Hibernian

jeez christ what the hell you talking about.

If you look back for the last couple of years Ireland have had top attendence in quite a few matches in the international scene.

there was about 33,000 there that night and you would find it harder to get a bigger crowd for game where Ireland were not preparing for nay major championship while the Czechs were.

there was 52,000 or so at game last wedensday night I dont think there was too many more at other games across Europe.

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I would have thought that there was more than 52,000 there the other night.

Neil

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

I would have thought that there was more than 52,000 there the other night.

Neil

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59000 was the figure I heard.

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Originally Posted by Curtains

My hands up and plenty of real fans who follow teams through and through will have been there. Are you one of these who only go to the big games? Wheres the real fans!!!

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quite the opposite. i've missed very few home games for 12 years. Admittedly I don't travel but I do my best and have sat at many games despite some of them been quite ropey.(weather or quality)

my point(badly explained) was many fans will go anyway but they are rarely full. We go to support the team not becase we think ireland v greece is going to be a cracker.

the journos complaining about poor attendances have either short memories or weren't there (only started watching football when they started covering it) or are thick.

so to answer your question - the real fans are here - which is why we were all at the rubbish games but we'll continue to go and be glad we went for the most part.

Well they never seem to answer the questions that they pose. Fanning has a hard on for A. Reid yet doesn't address the fact that he is barely getting his game for a middling Prem team or that he is not a ball-winner.

I still remember the clamour on these very boards and in the press for Kerr to throw Miller in against the Swiss. Funny.

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Originally Posted by John83

59000 was the figure I heard.

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The big screen at the game said 55,000 but I don't know if that's the number of tickets sold or the number of people at the game.

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

I still remember the clamour on these very boards and in the press for Kerr to throw Miller in against the Swiss. Funny.

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Remember that also. He was blasted in the press for it.

Dont think the same would apply today

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Originally Posted by Hibernian

Remember that also. He was blasted in the press for it.

Dont think the same would apply today

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In fairness, I think I was one of the people demanding that Kerr play him so I'm not trying to say I knew any better. I like Andy Reid as a player but I can see why Trapp doesn't play him. People like Fanning just need to write something, anything that's controversial.

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Originally Posted by John83

59000 was the figure I heard.

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Came up 55/56800 on the big screen during the game

Like the first poster said it wouldn't be worth mentioning their names to give the them the noteriaty their attention whoring craves.

Its lazy journalisim to say the least

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

In fairness, I think I was one of the people demanding that Kerr play him so I'm not trying to say I knew any better.

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I think that that was merited at the time because Miller appeared to be a prodigy when he first started playing for Celtic. I can vaguely recall his fantastic play in the Champions league and UEfa Cup (on the wing if I remember correctly) for them and after all Sir Alex came in for him:eek:. That move imo is one of the reasons he has never fulfilled his undoubted potential.