Just wondering if there is a list of defunct League of Ireland clubs out there. It would be good to put together their clubs profiles here.
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Just wondering if there is a list of defunct League of Ireland clubs out there. It would be good to put together their clubs profiles here.
Well I always get scolded for overuse of wikipedia but we could use these: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...football_clubs
Not exactly a complete list. For one thing, Bray Unknowns were amalgamated into Bray Wanderers in the 70's. AFAIK, the history of both clubs is combined (although Bray Unknowns achievements are clearly labelled as Bray Unknows achievements).
Going by that basis, would the previous Waterford and Galway teams not be defunct as the new clubs have taken on their history?
Also, there's a few teams in this thread that aren't listed there.
http://foot.ie/showthread.php?t=99307
For any such question the first port of call should be RSSSF!
http://www.rsssf.com/tablesi/ierall.html
I think this list is fairly definitive. Exactly how well connected all the Cork clubs are is open to debate (i.e. Are Cork Athletic the same club as Cork United?), likewise the whole Drumcondra-Home Farm/Everton/Fingal/Dub City thing.
Drums still going in LSL.
I remember when the First Division started up two clubs had been accepted into membership but dropped out before the season started so I doubt if you'll find any mention of these clubs anywhere. One of them was the grandly titled Sporting Club Thurles (I kid you not!) and for the life of me I cant remember the other clubs name.
Thurles Town played in the league. Hadn't heard about Sporting Club Thurles
Oh and Frank, are you sure about Bray Unknowns? Thought they were completely seperate. Waterford is seperate (they say otherwise). Galway was strictlya change of name
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Originally Posted by Dodge
I thought Bray Unknowns were a different club. Fordsons (the first cork club) turned into the original cork city. Youre right about Waterford and Galway.
What's the exact story with Waterford old and new? Did they go bust and start again or something? Pretty sure there wasn't a gap in league membership.
Thats it in a nutshell really. I'm sure one or two of them will be along soon to give you the Waterford version. There was a nice piece about it in one of the old "Irish Football handbook" editions
Bray Unknowns were the town's league club in the 20's & 30's. They reverted to junior football after that, sometime in the 40's, AFAIK.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Bray Wanderers were founded in the 40's (1946, iirc) as a separate junior club. Unknowns were amalgamated into Wanderers in the mid 70's.
So the list looks something like:
Brideville
I 1925-33, 1935-43, 44-46 (18)
Brooklyn
I 1923-25 (2)
Cork Athletic
I 1948-57 (9)
Cork Bohemians
I 1932-34 (2)
Cork Celtic [1]
I 1951-79 (28)
Cork Hibernians
I 1957-77 (20)
Cork United (1) [2]
I 1924-48 (24)
Cork United (2) [3]
I 1976-82 (6)
Dolphin
I 1930-37 (7)
Dublin City
I 2004 (1)
II 2001-2003*, 2005 (4)
* Promoted at the end of the 2003 season, played 02-3 and 2003 seasons in
the First Division
Dublin United
I 1921-23 (2)
Frankfort
I 1921-22 (1)
Home Farm
I 1972-87, 1996-97 (16)
II 1987-96, 1997-2001 (13)
Jacobs
I 1921-32 (11)
Kilkenny City [5]
I 1997-98, 2000-01 (2)
II 1985-97, 1998-2000, 2001-05 (19)
Midland Athletic
I 1922-24 (2)
Newcastlewest [7]
II 1985-1990 (5)
Olympia
I 1921-23 (2)
Pioneers
I 1922-26 (4)
Rathmines
I 1922-23 (1)
Reds United
I 1935-36 (1)
St Francis
II 1996-2001 (5)
St James’s Gate
I 1921-44 (23)
II 1990-96 (6)
Shelbourne United
I 1922-24 (2)
Thurles Town
I 1977-82 (5)
Transport
I 1948-62 (14)
YMCA
I 1921-22 (1)
Fascinating stuff- far more clubs there than I imagined and lots that I was not previously aware of.
The other was Cork Hibernians (not sure if it was a new club or the old one revamped.) I have a fixture list for Harps from that season with both of them on it. A week later a new one was issued with all the fixtures changed as they had dropped out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Heliodorus
Plus you havent included some of the name changes. Im sure Reds United are related to Shelbourne. Evergreen arent included. Newcastle Utd became Newcastlewest - there are more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
1922 - Frankfort FC & YMCA FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1922/23 season.
1923 - Rathmines Athletic FC resigned from the League. Dublin United FC & Olympia FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1923/24 season.
1924 - Midland Athletic were not re-elected to the League for the 1924/25 season.
1925 - Shelbourne FC withdrew from the League the day it started. Brooklyn FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1925/26 season
1926 - Dublin Pioneers were not re-elected to the League for the 1926/27 season
1928 - Athlone Town FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1927/28 season
1930 - Fordsons FC changed name to Cork FC
1932 - Brideville FC & Jacobs AFC were not re-elected to the League for the 1932/33 season. Waterford AFC resigned from the League
1934 - Shelbourne FC & Cork Bohemians FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1934/35 season
1936 - Reds United FC resigned from the League and disbanded
1937 - Dolphin FC resigned from the League
1938 - Cork FC changed name to Cork City FC
1940 - Cork City FC dissolved during season & Cork United FC formed immediately and took its results. Sligo Rovers FC resigned from the League
1941 - Waterford AFC resigned from the League
1943 - Bray Unknowns FC & Brideville FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1943/44 season
1944 - St James' Gate AFC were not re-elected to the League for the 1944/45 season
1945 - Brideville FC were not re-elected to the League for the 1945/46 season
1948 - Cork United FC resigned from the League and disbanded at the start of the 1948/49 season and were replaced by Cork Athletic FC.
1951 - Transport FC moved to Dublin from Bray.
1957 - Cork Athletic FC resigned from the League and disbanded
1959 - Evergreen FC changed name to Cork Celtic FC
1972 - Drumcondra AFC merged into Home Farm FC and changed name to Home Farm-Drumcondra AFC
1974 - Home Farm-Drumcondra AFC changed name to Home Farm FC
1975 - Drogheda FC changed name to Drogheda United FC
1976 - Cork Hibernians FC resigned from the League and disbanded
1977 - Albert Rovers FC changed name to Cork Albert FC. Few months later, changed name to Cork Alberts FC
1979 - Cork Celtic FC resigned from the League and disbanded. Cork Alberts FC changed name to Cork United FC. Limerick AFC changed name to Limerick United FC
1982 - Waterford AFC changed name to Waterford United FC. Cork United FC were expelled from League and dissolved. Thurles Town FC resigned from the League
1983 - Members of Limerick United FC broke away and formed a new team, Limerick City FC. The issue went to court and decided that Limerick City FC were to be elected and Limerick United FC wound up and dissolved
1986 - Newcastle United FC changed name to Newcastlewest FC
1989 - EMFA FC changed name to Kilkenny City AFC
1990 - Newcastlewest FC resigned from the League
1992 - Limerick City FC changed name to Limerick FC
1996 - Home Farm FC changed name to Home Farm-Everton FC
1997 - St James' Gate AFC were expelled from the League
1999 - Home Farm-Everton FC changed name to Home Farm-Fingal FC
2000 - St Francis FC changed name to Fingal-St Francis FC
2001 - Home Farm-Fingal FC changed name to Dublin City FC (Not Sure)
2002 - Fingal-St Francis FC resigned from the League
2006 - Limerick FC were not re-elected to the League for the 2007 season
2007 - Kilkenny City AFC resigned from the League
I'm guessing that clubs still active at some level (like LSL or MSL) don't count as being defunct? Home Farm, St James' Gate and Kilkenny are all still active.
I think about 1/4 of them still play in Intermediate and Junior Leagues.
A mate of mine plays for Frankfort F.C. They're playing in the AFL I think. Rico was doing some coaching with them recently enough.
So where are Frankfort from? And Brideville and Brooklyn for that matter?
Brideville played in Richmond Park initially before moving to harolds cross when they were evicted for Pats to move in. They were based in the Liberties initially
Reds United were a breakaway from Shelbourne that went back again.
The Drumcondra in the Leinster league are a different club and were formed in the 1980's. Home Farm took Drumcondra's place in the league but there was a lot of bitterness afterwards from the Drums people as they believed agreeemtns weren't honoured.
Cork united started 48/9 season and went out in November I think.
Were St Francis known as Fingal St Francis - news to me? Can't remember that at all. I know they merged with Pats and broke away again.
They didn't merge. A merger was proposed and agreed in principle by some offcials on both sides. As the proposal was a couple of weeks before the start of the season St Francis decided to pull out fo the league while negotiations continued. Negotiations broke down and St Francis re-applied to the Leinster Senior League. They were never known as Fingal.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
Home Farm were known as Home Farm Everton and Home Farm Fingal towards the end of their LOI tenure
It is the same Drumcondra as the LoI club. The have the deeds to prove it.Quote:
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I stand corrected.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
If we ever meet, don't bring up this subject. I'll bore you to tears, and still probably smack you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
These guys sound interesting. I wonder if they disbanded after becoming drunk on their own success?Quote:
Pioneers
I 1922-26 (4)
Do you have any more details on that? Did they get them from Home Farm? What are the "deeds" anyway?Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
The Drumcondra club as run by Sam Prole would have given the lease on Tolka to Home Farm and agreed some sort of merger to form Home Farm Drumcondra. The term Home Farm Drumcondra was only used for the remaining games of 72/3 season that HF took over. I'm pretty sur eit was dropped in the summer of 1973.
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this should clear it up for you Dodge.
1982 - Waterford AFC changed name to Waterford United FC.
Wow, an internet post...
Hi partizan, welcome to the thread ;)
cheers, anyway glad you're not a C/\wkieQuote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Not as glad as I am...
Not 100% sure where Frankfort are from. Northside I think, maybe Baldoyle/Clontarf kind of direction, that's where the lad I know who plays with them is from anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
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When I hear about displaced peoples and deeds, I first think of the Palestinians.
I'm not one to promote a Journalist. But maybe Brian De Salvo can add to the discussion with anecdotes. He gets a bit of mileage out of playing in Shelbourne - Drumcondra game in the early seventies.
Short meander on the Shels website.
http://www.shelbournefc.ie/features.php?id=52
He wrote an article 'Green Fingers' about the game for When Saturday Comes (General English Fanzine) when that publication asked on articles about the LoI (Bord Gais?) around 1991. I believe I have seen that article elsewhere since.
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Originally Posted by Partizan
Corkies for the most part like lthat fact that we look down on the rest of the country, so everyone is glad ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
hurrah for everyone
Everyone has won, and all are to have prizes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
Walking with Alice in a League of Ireland Wonderland....
As per the Junior Football section in the Evening Herald last week, Frankfort founded in 1908 and celebrating their centenary this year.
For their one season as LOI member,1921/22, they played at Richmond Hill (?), Dublin.
Other grounds used by ex-league clubs as follows -
Anglesea Road - Dublin United & Shelbourne United 1922/23
Ballinlough, Cork - Fordsons 1924/24-1928/29
Beech Hill, Dublin - Dublin United 1921/22
Bellevue Lodge , Dublin - Olympia 1921/22
Carlisle Grounds Bray - Unknowns 1929/30-1942/43, Transport 1948/49-1950/51
Chalgrove Terrace Dublin - Brooklyn 1923/24-1924/25
Claremont Road Dublin - YMCA 1921/22
Dolphin Park, Dublin - Dolphin 1930/31-1931/32 & 1934/35-1936/37
Green Lanes Dublin - Brideville 1939/40
Greyhound Stadium Cork - Cork Bohemians 1932/33-1933/34
Harolds Cross Dublin - Brideville 1929/30, 1930/31 - 1931/32, Dolphin 1932/33-1933/34, Transport 1951/52-1961/62
Milltown - Shelbourne United 1923/24, Reds United 1935/36
Rathmines Park Dublin - Rathmines Athletic 1922/23
Richmond Park Dublin - Brideville 1925/26-1929/30
Rutland Avenue Dublin - Jacobs 1921/22-1931/32
Strand Road Dublin - Pioneers 1922/23
The Thatch Dublin - Midland Athletic 1922/23-1923/24, Pioneers 1923/24-1925/26
Tolka Park - Dolphin 1935/36-1936/37
Turners Cross Cork - Cork Bohemians 1933/34
Woodbrook Dublin - Bray Unknowns 1924/25-1928/29
There's a Beech Hill beside Belfield where there's a plaque saying that the first GAA final was played there. I assume it's the same place?Quote:
Originally Posted by historynut
There you go. UCD could buy the "deeds" then change their name to Dublin United and they could mop up all those ex Dublin City fans!Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi
Just out of interest, but where's Beech Hill in relation to the campus?Quote:
Originally Posted by Schumi