a bit of realism?

am i only one who thinks next season will be just like this one? and the one before that?

i dont even apologise for saying that ive given up on this season. as far as im concerned it may aswell end tomorrow. our one real test of character in the pats game was failed miserably, you can talk all you want about performance buts its results that count.

counting crow, i will disregard any reply you might make because your boundless optimism, whilst endearing, is completely without foundation or logic.

im just wondering who here seriously thinks we can win the league next season. also, can anyone give me a good reason for flynny to stay? i wouldnt. (cue several ill thought out and basically stupid reasons).

yes im cynical, but its borne out of frustration. theres no reason why we shouldnt be the best team in the league: best crowds, the best strikeforce, a reasonable defence, great loyal home support, a genuie desire amongst the cork people to win. but its the same old story every year since davey b took over. also rans. nearly men. and ive not seen anything to suggest that next year will be any different.

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Originally posted by foureyes
your boundless optimism

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At least you'll never get mixed up anyway, you having a "different" outlook on things :rolleyes:

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yes im cynical, but its borne out of frustration

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You are a bleedin' great supporter, top of the firkin' pile mate. We'll always need your type around. Expect to win the league every year and as soon as you think it wont happen, you give up all hope. We should give you a season ticket for life, do you have any friends with the same opinion, we could try and bring them to the cross aswell ..... a great atmosphere going, bet that would be electric :rolleyes:

I think a lot of us are holding out for a shot at Europe at this stage, even though it is early days and Shels don't look any great shakes.

as for next year I'd be reasonably optimistic, and as much to do with Brian Lennox as Pat Dolan, since he took charge the club has made great leaps forward. Last season Under Gunther we had brought together the bones of a good team, with some shrewd signings and only suffered with away form.

I don't think the football we've played this season has been as good, but then teams have adapted to Flynny and George better, having seen more of them, yet they continue to impress, Dolan has added to the Squad, especially the introduction of Kevin doyle and we've lost some players who weren't going to make it.

the main change this season has been the passion among the fans to mirror that shown by Dolan, and the higher profile he has brought the club. the main area this should benefit us is in attracting new talent, a place we've always fallen down before. With the combined influence of lennox and Dolan I think we can attract the two to three quality players we need to bring success to the club, in my opinion everything else is pretty much now in place.

as for John O'Flynn, he will not leave Cork for another LOI club, and he's been quoted in the past saying he will only leave for a premiership or decent first division outfit in england. Their transfer window does not reopen until january and then only for a few weeks, at that stage Flynn will have been out of action for six-seven weeks as our season will be over, also between now and then with the final Euro international fixtures for the year due soon, he will not get many more chances to impress at U21 level. Clubs will have to rely on his city form to move on him.

If a club is going to move on him, the wheels will be already in motion now, hopefully the club if/when it does happen will get what he is worth as payment and reinvest in players of his calibre again. personally, i think Flynn will start the next campaign in a city shirt although i would expect to lose him next summer, assuming he continues his current form and strike rates.

optimistic for next season, why not, i've supported city a long time, and i've never seen such a buzz about the club around the city before, i for one am happy to be swept up in it.

$hel$ & Bohs (to a lesser extent if we can beat them friday) are probably beyond us cos of games in hand but Pats are only just ahead of us.

Third place is easily attainable depending on O'Flynns injury.

I don't think there is much hope of us winning the title this season. Then again, after last year, it was not a realistic target anyway. It was obvious we needed to make a few changes and this would take time.
We've re-structured our squad, with a few old faces leaving and a few coming in. Doyle is a big bonus. Woods is doing well in defence. Derek should be good cover for our regular two centre halves. Behan is breaking into the squad. Casey and Kearney may add some more to our play. Our fitness has improved and we've got several pro players now.
We should finish higher up the table than last season. Add a central midfielder over the close season and we could easily challenge next year.

Getting into Europe isn't beyond us though we'd need to start winning away games again, such as the uCD one.

I think Lennox has changed the club in a big way and hopefully from next season we'll see the rewards.

I can agree with some of foureyes points as it is frustrating to see the big support we have go to waste, if you like, cos we're not winning trophies.

However the likes of Shels and Bohs have been well organised on an administrative level for years wheras we're only getting to that stage now.

I remain optimistic -most of the time anyway.

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Expect to win the league every year and as soon as you think it wont happen, you give up all hope.

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I'd settle for once more before I die.

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counting crow, i will disregard any reply you might make because your boundless optimism, whilst endearing, is completely without foundation or logic.

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theres no reason why we shouldnt be the best team in the league: best crowds, the best strikeforce, a reasonable defence, great loyal home support, a genuie desire amongst the cork people to win.

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Woudnt this have been pretty much what anyone with any hope/optimism including CC would have said?

Therefore your own post is "completely without foundation or logic ".

Well foureyes, after that initial thread what can I say.....?

My milk is gone sour just before I go to bed, after that.

As yer man in "Dad's Army" used to say.......

......"we're DOOOMMED":D

Now where did I leave that gun......ah there it is........BANG!

If City carry on like this they will never have a chance at even the league cup

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If City carry on like this they will never have a chance at even the league cup

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carry on like what? BTW, seeing as we lost the league cup semi-final and pats won the competition, I'd say our chances of winning it are small enough :rolleyes:

I said before the season that a top 5 finish would be a good achievement. We can do better than that IMO, but we have to remember this season is about Dolan getting things right for next season. 3rd and I'd be happy, 2nd I'd be ecstatic

And there isn't a chance of either I say. City are not good enough at the moment and unless the UK has another slump and player like Flynnie and Georgie I can't see city don't much wit Dolan at the helm cause only Doyle looks a success of all his signings,
We'll have to wait and see what Keanery and the Nigerians are like

Also we lost to Pats second team that night wit our first team

Sucess doesn't come over night....would you rather City win the league this year and fall apart after that or give the manager time to put structures and the players in place.

No one can but success it takes time....something Chelsea will learn eventually. You need the right manager, the right chairman and talented players. You need to look after the future as well.

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Sucess doesn't come over night....

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I'm waiting for Success for to long. 98 our last cup and we went down hill after our league win ten years ago

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I'm waiting for Success for to long. 98 our last cup and we went down hill after our league win ten years ago

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you know your key word in that whole sentence was hill because i`m with u on this one curts82 dolan isn`t the man theres only 2 men i`d like to see incharge at city thats stuart ashton or dave hill preferably hill the man lives,sleeps and eats football fcuk dolan the bull****tttting cnut lets get a man in that really wants to win at the highest level not just a hyped up p.r man. an thats the bottom line ...cause stone cold said so!!!!

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you know your key word in that whole sentence was hill because i`m with u on this one curts82 dolan isn`t the man theres only 2 men i`d like to see incharge at city thats stuart ashton or dave hill preferably hill the man lives,sleeps and eats football fcuk dolan the bull****tttting cnut lets get a man in that really wants to win at the highest level not just a hyped up p.r man. an thats the bottom line ...cause stone cold said so!!!!

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You've been getting far too much of that sea air down in Cobh, stevie.....:rolleyes:

someone should try and tell Steven 17 or whoever he is, that the use of full stops, commas and other punctuation marks is fully acceptable. And what's with the 10 year old wrestling jibe at the end? Who is this moron??

If you need sea air to see what he sees and thats a spoof in Dolan then the rest of the City fans who think Dolan is the man for the job should get a lot of that air to.
O blame the Ref, the ball anything but the team.
Look at Davie Hill Hes blaming his forwards for not taking their chances dolan would blame the ref prob for his strikers not being able to score.:mad:

I guess Curts82 doesn't understand this punctuation thing either.

Oh for the old days, when teachers could beat pupils until they learned basic grammar and punctuation.


That aside, why are people so quick to turn on the manager? He's not even had a full season to get players settled in. Doyle is ok, but the rest will need time. At the start of the season we were not strong enough to challenge. By the start of next season we shoud be a lot stronger. These things take time. A manger takes several seasons to build a squad. If we keep changing managers then we'll never get there.

as i've al,ready stated, turning on a manager after half a season is pathetic.....if we were in the bottom two then questions would have to be asked....

we have a stronger squad and first team than last season. We are still in with a chance (small chance) of the league. We are in with a great (more realistic) chance of a european place.

Give the man a chance. It is not his fault for Citys lack of success down through the years...well expect anytime Pats took points of us...