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So the FAI will get €10million from the visit of Germany. Perhaps they could use some of it pay off the retard that is running the team and get us a decent manager.
3 games to go and we're already out of the running and they tell us prigress is being made. I'm tired of having my intelligence insulted by these muppets.
we could get a bloody good manager for 20% of that sum.
True enough, at least someone with a modicum of experience. The more I think about the more ticked off I am about this whole appointment. In other words, how dare the FAI use a qualifying campaign to train in a manager who will be out of the job in November 2009 anyway when we finish 3rd/4th in our WC group. It'll take us years to recover from this unless something is done soon. No progress is being made. Say what you want about McCarthy and Kerr but at least we were in the running right down to the last game with those managers and McCarthy got us 2nd place in the group every time which would be enough to get us to the championships next year.
its a pity we couldn't use the cash to buy some players, cause the ones we have aint good enough!
Alex Ferguson wouldnt do any better
I disagree, Alex Ferguson wouldn't have brought Douglas, Gibson and Murphy on against Slovakia and he wouldn't be playing Finnan at left back and he'd drop Kilbane and he wouldn't blame someone else for making him pick O'Brien against Cyprus and....shall I go on?
I'd prefer if they invested it in schoolyboy facilities
thats such b*ll*x, look at scotland and Northern Ireland ffs, and look at greece who are running away with their group and are current European Champions...we have better players than all these
citizenerased is right, we do have a decent squad and the players were good enough to get 2nd in this group. We have missed a great oppurtunity here. A better manager would've seen us get 6 points off cyprus, wales & slovakia, perhaps 4 off the czechs and 1 or 2 off germany would've been enough for 2nd place. I mean seriously, 2-5 against Cyprus? I spent the guts of a grand on that trip and I, and every other Irish supporter, deserves better than this. It's a shambles, a monkeys tea party and then they have the cheek to tell us progress is being made!? Do they think we're that stupid?
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Originally Posted by gwhite
Yes they do
Don't forget that the Czechs would be extremely ****ed off with their team & manager for a situation like that. Frankly, we should be competing for second, not guaranteed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by gwhite
Stop and think about what your saying. Think open minded and without the need for much research you will find that Scotland have 2 teams in the Champions League and one in the Uefa Cup group stages along with a half decent standard of league that players can go on to bigger and better things.Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
Greece also have a very competetive league where players are actually attracted to play and the main contingent of the squad is Greece based. As for Nothern Ireland this qualifying has been a flash in the pan and they have recently suffered defeats to the mighty Latvia and the world super power of Iceland. If we have seen or learned anything over the last three or four years I would have thought it would be that to be competetive in international football it's essential to have a Domestic League worth talking about and the ability to develope their own talent.
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Originally Posted by mrtndvn
I presume you mean Darren Ferguson who anyway is a far far better manager than the guy we took away from laying out the training cones for Walsall's reserve team.
Would Darren Ferguson play left footed players at right back and right footed players at leftback?
Would Darren Ferguson play league 1 players ahead of premiership players?
Would Darren Ferguson bring cover for 2 centre halves?
It is bloody obvious we do have the players. Maybe not to win a major tournament but certainly to qualify.
Darren Ferguson's mother would probably make a better job of our team. as for his father....well come on. Any comparisons would be deeply insulting to the whiner.
I think you've been watching a bit too much tv3 lately....I don't buy in to that, Staunton has a far better squad available to him than McCarthy and especially Kerr...Quote:
Originally Posted by mrtndvn
So far the Staunton era has produced two thumping friendly results which of course mean F***all the in real world, of course we were trounced by the Dutch and we should have seen warning lights there and then?, a drubbing at the hands of CYPRUS, yes CYPRUS I have to repeat that because I still can't believe that it actually happened! San Marino 5-0? as it should be but even that is overshadowed by the German 13-0 result away. I was in San Marino and witnessed that pathetic shambles for myself and if ever a team was robbed of a result, then it was SM that night. We lost to Germany in our first game and we were lucky to get away with that scoreline because they missed some sitters. We managed to beat a dismal Welsh side at Croker in a match that was absolutely abysmal to say the least and then we managed to scrape a result against an poor Slovakia side who are almost as rubbish as we are. Slovakia away? Stauntons idiotic selection & substitutions cost us that game. The Czech game? We didn't deserve to win it and a draw was all we were ever going to be capable of getting, they had us fiqured out 5mins into the game and then Hunt fell for the sucker punch aided by a referee who simply appeased the baying crowd. All of these competitive games have a common theme running through them, no game plan, lack of imagination and creativity, players either not picked when they should have been, players played out of position when there was no need to, total lack of passion in most games and no coherent system or instruction when things start to go wrong. Who's fault is this? Well I'll let you go fiqure. Answers on a postcard to Delaney.J CEO FAI and cheif culprit for the death of our National football team. Some progress eh!
excellent points..very well articulated
Greece: Nikopolidis, Seitaridis, Kapsis, Dellas, Fissas, Zagorakis, Katsouranis, Basinas, Giannakopoulos (Venetidis 76), Vryzas (Papadopoulos 81), Charisteas.Quote:
Originally Posted by shanman2
Oh iam sorry you were right this team is littered with superb players..
Who said the key to international success is a strong domestic league? That isnt a law, its a theory.... is that why england havnt won anything since 66? If you look at eh czech team how many of the starting lineup are playing in the domestic league?
We ahve the players, just not the organisation or the tactical nouse to guide the players...in fairness lads Stan is a laughing stock!!!
WembleyGreen, Couldn't have put it better myself:).But the thing is, Delaney and Stan won't be going anywhere for a while so we are stuck with them. Stan covered his ass from the very start when he said he was building a team for the next World Cup. With him in charge we won't be going to any World Cup only Friendly Tournaments in the States:mad:
It didnt seem to harm us when we qualified for Euro 88, World Cup 90/94/02...Quote:
Originally Posted by shanman2
To say Ireland dont have the players is a cop-out. We have a team full off premiership players, and if you actually went through our first team its well capable of allowing us to compete at this level. Given/Finnan/Dunne/Hunt/Duff/Carsley/Doyle/Keane are all performing well for their clubs and if there were organised/managed correctly would be performing for the national side too.
They'd have a lot more success selling them if they replaced the manager. 1,000 of those could pay the wages of an excellent manager for a decade. The other 9,000 can go towards the stadium.Quote:
Originally Posted by Article
My point is that the countries afformentioned produce their own players. The players are bought from Olympiakos, panathinaikos etc. But three teams in the UEFA cup and 1 in the Champions league seems to point to some sort of trend. Yes it does have a bearing on the national team we have one of the worst leagues in Europe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ireland4ever
Euro 2004
Bulgaria
Croatia
Czech Republic
Denmark
England
France
Germany
Greece
Italy
Latvia
Netherlands
Portugal (host)
Russia
Spain
Sweden
Switzerland
I would argue that all these countries bar latvia would have a better domestic league than us. So essentially you need to have a good domestic league and be a able to develope your own players in order to qualify for big tournaments. My reason being that at least most of their players are gauranteed European football and lets face it thats where it is at!! Not rely on the "Granny" rule or English-Scottish clubs to develope them.