Northern teams are not inferior

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10/12/2005, 7:50 PM
royalblue

Northern teams are not inferior

This is a reply to:A FACE and anyone who thinks the same. A FACE typed: While i think that most of the eircom league sides are technically better, Linfield are a great side right now ... tough task for anyone up against them! This was posted on the CIS cup thread.

My reply to this:

Some people dont know what they are talking about!

To say that most southern teams are technically better than Northern counterparts is such a joke. True some teams do have great players who could play for any top team up north, but it would be the same down south with Northern Players. Glen ferguson, Stephen Carson, Chris Kingsburry, Garry Hamilton, Peter Thompson and many more are technically as good as anyone down south in theyre possition. There is no forward down south who could replace Glen Ferguson. Being a more fulltime league does make it a little easier to attract a higher quality player, but they are few and far between. Shels or Cork might have some great players in certain possitions, but so do Linfield and Glentoran. The real difference is fitness. When Linfield and Glentoran go fulltime you will see a hell of a difference, as they will eat, sleep, and drink football, but for now they will still work another job to supplement their living. Southern people are not born with better football skills, just are having better opportunities in last few years.

Great footballers all over Ireland North and South.
10/12/2005, 7:52 PM
sligoman

Northern teams are not inferior!!

Erm, yes, they are. Obviously some Northern teams are better than some EL teams but our league is of a higher standard and the EL's best team would beat the North's best team in my opinion.
10/12/2005, 7:53 PM
A face

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Originally Posted by royalblue

Some people dont know what they are talking about!

I was referring to the clubs that will be play in the Setanta Cup .... imo the teams from the eircom League look to be technically better.

Put it this way ... Are you saying they are technically on parr with eircom League clubs ??
10/12/2005, 8:00 PM
EireBadBoy

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Originally Posted by sligoman

Erm, yes, they are. Obviously some Northern teams are better than some EL teams but our league is of a higher standard and the EL's best team would beat the North's best team in my opinion.

Who won the Setanta Cup?? :confused:
10/12/2005, 8:03 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by EireBadBoy

Who won the Setanta Cup?? :confused:

Jaysus, surely you know by now?:confused:
Linfield:p
10/12/2005, 8:04 PM
royalblue

And you are entitled to your opinion mate. But did Linfield not beat your best in Shelbourne? The point im making is that players are not technically better because they live down south. Tell that to our dear departed George Best when he was around. Teams are just fitter down south generally. Each league has some technically great players that would grace eachothers league.

If the teams like Linfield Glentoran and Portadown trained fulltime theyre would be no difference.

Dont forget for many years you had a second rate league like ours, which actually was worse than ours. And its only with investment that you have improved.

But again when it comes to technical ability you either have it or you dont. Its not a regional thing or a national thing. You can improve on a players sharpness fitness and awareness, but you cant teach someone to play like wayne rooney for example.
10/12/2005, 8:09 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by royalblue

And you are entitled to your opinion mate. But did Linfield not beat your best in Shelbourne?

Yes, they did, but in my opinion, Shelbourne are not the EL's best team at the moment and they certainly weren't at that time either.
10/12/2005, 8:09 PM
thejollyrodger

southern clubs are superior, northern clubs are inferior FACT. Just look at the UEFA Co -efficents
10/12/2005, 8:33 PM
royalblue

Nearly everyone is missing the point, what i have been trying to say is that southern teams are generally fitter, but that cant make you technically better. To say so is pure nonsence. Fitness doesnt equal technically better. As for your great results in europe, do you honestly think its because you are technically better than the swiss,french,german,russian, etc These nations are technically superior than any produce in Ireland north or south. Its your fitness that helps you compensate for your lack of technical abilty. Just have to look at the FA Cup or other tournaments. You will quite often see teams like Aston Villa, Everton Spurs etc get beat by a team from a lesser division. Is that down to better players, generally no, down to fitness and will to win. Everton got to fourth last year, was that because they had the fourth best set of technically gifted players? no it wasnt. It was because they hounded teams and they where well organised.

Shels Crowe is not technically better than Glen Ferguson
Shels Baker is not technically better than Stephen Carson
Shels Byrne is not technically better than Gary Hamilton

Just some examples.
10/12/2005, 8:34 PM
sligoman

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Originally Posted by royalblue

Nearly everyone is missing the point, what i have been trying to say is that southern teams are generally fitter, but that cant make you technically better. To say so is pure nonsence.

I'm not saying our players are technically better. I'm just saying our teams in general are:).
10/12/2005, 8:37 PM
Stevo Da Gull

Well I have'nt read all the posts before me but i'll chuck my two cents in anyway.

IMO Linfield are the best team in the 32 counties, I'm not convinced that the quality is good up north outside the top 3/4 but I dont see as much Irish League Football as I do EL Football so I could'nt say for certain.
10/12/2005, 8:47 PM
royalblue

I appreciate what people are saying and its each to his/her own. What i was replying to was when a few people posted on the cis thread that most southern teams are technically better than linfield. For a team to be technically better, it has to have technically better players. So they where saying that most southern teams have better players than Linfield. Which is just a laugh.
10/12/2005, 9:20 PM
BleusAvantTout

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Originally Posted by Stevo Da Gull

Well I have'nt read all the posts before me but i'll chuck my two cents in anyway.

IMO Linfield are the best team in the 32 counties, I'm not convinced that the quality is good up north outside the top 3/4 but I dont see as much Irish League Football as I do EL Football so I could'nt say for certain.

Well said SDG I have always said that! ;) I remember Madame Bleus et moi going to Bray in March 1990 and we sat outside a pub, overlooking the sea, and had a nice lunch.:cool: You scratch our backs,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,!;)
10/12/2005, 11:04 PM
sfc red

Quote:

Originally Posted by royalblue

Shels Crowe is not technically better than Glen Ferguson
Shels Baker is not technically better than Stephen Carson
Shels Byrne is not technically better than Gary Hamilton

Just some examples.

Baker and Crowe do not even feature in our best 11.
Byrne is off to Scandinavia for 500k, is Hamilton better than Byrne???

You seem to have chosen very particular examples there, coincidentally leaving out some of the EL's most technically gifted players, Hoolahan, Heary, Ndo, Crawley, etc.
10/12/2005, 11:21 PM
royalblue

Is Hamilton better than Byrne in my honest opinion yes. Byrne will raise more money because he is fulltime and he is in a fulltime league. That automatically puts up the price. You just have to look at some of the players in the lower leagues in england to see that. As for the other players you mentioned i didnt leave them out on purpose, just the first three that came into my head i mentioned. Do like Ndo, smashing footballer he would grace any team. Hoolahan I have always liked and is a smashing footballer. Im sure if i done a comparison player for player the eircom league with irish league the eircom league would have more quality players. The point the guy on the cis thread was making was that most teams would be technically better than Linfield, which is crazy. Linfield player for player would be as strong as the shels or cork. Theyre just not as fit. Again this is my opinion.
11/12/2005, 1:16 AM
Speranza

Try to go and watch a few Stute matches a year and the standard is ****-poor.

The last Setanta cup was an anomaly and from skill to fitness to any other area you can think of teams in the 6 counties (apart from us ;) ) are poorer.
11/12/2005, 1:20 AM
Mr A

Last year in the Setanta cup showed that our preconceptions about our league being vastly superior to the North were sadly misplaced. The standard of football always tends to look **** poor when you aren't interested. The eL isn't as good as it thinks it is, which is sad, as in most cases it doesn't even think it's that good!
11/12/2005, 7:35 AM
Drumcondra Red

Well the Champions of both leagues met in Europe and we all know how that panned out!
11/12/2005, 11:22 AM
Raheny Red

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SFC RED wrote:

You seem to have chosen very particular examples there, coincidentally leaving out some of the EL's most technically gifted players, Hoolahan, Heary, Ndo, Crawley, etc.

I think thats a typo. You obviously incorrectly spelt O'Neill.

Creepy Crawley is poo!!

As for the Champo's League and the Glens what a moment.

Royalblue in your opinion how much is Peter Thompson worth because he could be on the way to Shels since Jayo Byrne is going.
11/12/2005, 12:15 PM
A face

Quote:

Originally Posted by royalblue

Is Hamilton better than Byrne in my honest opinion yes.

Better you say .... whats the story with his contract, how much is he going for ?? :p
He would be good cover for any eircom League club.

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