Real's past

Out with it!!! Have your say!!! :)

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Originally Posted by davros

Would have started this thread.....No intention to hyjack/spam the other one re.La Liga...........apologies to their naive fans.....but their fascist :mad: heritage of the past/present cannot be glibly ignored,despite the rush to globally dominate through their playing squad & sales of associated merchandise!

Doubtless,others will expand.....surprised by @ least 2 of their 'apologists' on here...... :o

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Real or Royal were Francos club. They won countless leagues in the old days BECAUSE they were Francos club. Clubs like Barcelona would never get a result outside of the Camp Nou.
In regards to Santigo Bernabeau, he was a general or something in the Spanish Civil War and murdered helpless Catalans.

And you wonder why the Catalans hate Real Madrid??? :(

This is the sort of stereotyping that has all Celtic fans as shinners or Rangers fans as racists. What about Real taking the crown off its badge during the 2nd Republic. What about the B*stardolona's fascist salutes, the falangists that ran the club during the Franco years, the 'dodgy' deal that got them the Nou Camp in the first place, the Boixos Nois whose only difference with the Ultras Sur is that they hate everyone except Catalans (bar those non-white Catalans of course) instead of everyone that isn't Spanish. Meanwhile the ONLY two Real Madrid supporters (actually from Madrid) I met in Uni were a Swampy/Harry Enfield's Kevin lookalike, who didn't see the irony when I said 'you must be a fascist supporting Real' and another who had a go at a Aussie Ukrainian lecturer for not condemning his father's Nazi past enough. Some fascists. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by lopez

This is the sort of stereotyping that has all Celtic fans as shinners or Rangers fans as racists. What about Real taking the crown off its badge during the 2nd Republic. What about the B*stardolona's fascist salutes, the falangists that ran the club during the Franco years, the 'dodgy' deal that got them the Nou Camp in the first place, the Boixos Nois whose only difference with the Ultras Sur is that they hate everyone except Catalans (bar those non-white Catalans of course) instead of everyone that isn't Spanish. Meanwhile the ONLY two Real Madrid supporters (actually from Madrid) I met in Uni were a Swampy/Harry Enfield's Kevin lookalike, who didn't see the irony when I said 'you must be a fascist supporting Real' and another who had a go at a Aussie Ukrainian lecturer for not condemning his father's Nazi past enough. Some fascists. :rolleyes:

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Franco was a Facist, Real are Francos club, do the Math :)

I think Real will always struggle to lose the Government/Army team tag. It didn't help matters a few years ago when Real, over £100m in debt, sold their training complex to the Government who promptly leased it back to them on some ridiculously low rent.

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Originally Posted by Aldini98

Franco was a Facist, Real are Francos club, do the Math :)

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That is a silly post.

Tony Blair is a Man Utd fan. Does that make Man U a socialist club?

Now everyone knows there are facist undertones in Reals past, but assertions like the above do nothing to prove any argument.

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Originally Posted by Gary

That is a silly post.

Tony Blair is a Man Utd fan. Does that make Man U a socialist club?

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Might do if Tony Blair controlled the club in a socialist way, influenced transfer dealings, bailed Man U out a few times and any many of their fans to this day carried out 'socialist' straight hand hello's

Oh yea and Blair would have to be a socialist too:D

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Originally Posted by SÓC

Might do if Tony Blair controlled the club in a socialist way, influenced transfer dealings, bailed Man U out a few times and any many of their fans to this day carried out 'socialist' straight hand hello's

Oh yea and Blair would have to be a socialist too:D

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Thank You Sóc

Labour still have notions of being a socialist party, working for the proletariat. We all know thats tripe, but thats what they say they stand for.

As for the argumrnt at hand, Reals history is very transparent, no-one, even themselves will deny that Franco had alot to do with their success decades ago.

but their is a difference between actually spouting cliched hearsay - "Real are fascists" and backing up a point, actually having knowledge of what you are speaking about.

Anyone ever hear of their hooligan group Ultra Surs,well,these scum have links to Hammerskin,the white supremist movement.Recently Figo and Raul were photographed smiling while holding a scarf and flag from this group.Also Raul accepted a plaque as an accolade from this group.This group receives free tickets for games and once,until recently had it's own offices at the Bernabeu handing out leaflets and flags bearing Franco's shield and other nazi symbols.Plus Former club president,Ramon Mendoza once famously said if he was 20 again he would be an Ultra Sur.And people wonder where all the monkey chants come from :mad:

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Originally Posted by davros

Maybe,but not what the locals,well OK 2 Eng.fellows(Who've lived in Madrid,5 yrs.min.)say.... Still known locally as 'Franco's team'....

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So who are the Socialist club? Pathetico? The club with a fascist in charge POST FAT FRANK and a large following to boot. Rayo? With a miserly following in a city of 3M which was the last to fall to Franco, and voted in numerous socialist mayors up until a few years ago.

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Originally Posted by Dublin12

Anyone ever hear of their hooligan group Ultra Surs,well,these scum have links to Hammerskin,the white supremist movement.Recently Figo and Raul were photographed smiling while holding a scarf and flag from this group.Also Raul accepted a plaque as an accolade from this group.

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So well informed. You must have read Antonio Salas Diario de un Skin? Or more like yet another gulible reader of Britain's neo-colonial press in Ireland. :rolleyes: Recently? About three years ago, in fact, not that the 'Irish' :D :rolleyes: Mirror bothered to print that until those loveable rogues got the monkey chants. Links to Hammerskin? So do Boixos Nois. Monkey chants? Didn't they appear at the Nou Camp against Roberto Carlos the week-end after the tans game? What's your point. Barcelona are a fascist club too? Didn't think so. As for Ramon Mendoza, wasn't he supposed to be a member of the KGB?

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Originally Posted by Aldini98

Franco was a Facist, Real are Francos club, do the Math

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Are we seriously expected to take any sort of lecture on fascism from somone who uses the word 'Yidos' on this site? P*ss off! :mad:

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Originally Posted by lopez

So who are the Socialist club? Pathetico? The club with a fascist in charge POST FAT FRANK and a large following to boot. Rayo? With a miserly following in a city of 3M which was the last to fall to Franco, and voted in numerous socialist mayors up until a few years ago.

So well informed. You must have read Antonio Salas Diario de un Skin? Or more like yet another gulible reader of Britain's neo-colonial press in Ireland. :rolleyes: Recently? About three years ago, in fact, not that the 'Irish' :D :rolleyes: Mirror bothered to print that until those loveable rogues got the monkey chants. Links to Hammerskin? So do Boixos Nois. Monkey chants? Didn't they appear at the Nou Camp against Roberto Carlos the week-end after the tans game? What's your point. Barcelona are a fascist club too? Didn't think so. As for Ramon Mendoza, wasn't he supposed to be a member of the KGB?
Are we seriously expected to take any sort of lecture on fascism from somone who uses the word 'Yidos' on this site? P*ss off! :mad:

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Check out http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200411/s1251921.htm

As for the Yidos quote, Spurs fans call themselves Yidos so I really don't know what you are on about. Anyway you seem a tad annoyed, Going Mad, Going Mad !!!! :)

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Originally Posted by Aldini98

Check out http://www.abc.net.au/sport/content/200411/s1251921.htm

As for the Yidos quote, Spurs fans call themselves Yidos so I really don't know what you are on about. Anyway you seem a tad annoyed, Going Mad, Going Mad !!!! :)

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Of course son and Jews call themselves that too. :rolleyes: Going mad? I'm laughing at your attempt at being an anti-fascist. :D

Lopez do you like PSG?

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Originally Posted by Dublin12

Lopez do you like PSG?

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No. Are they a 'fascist' club too?

Well they have a leaning towards the right alright,just wondered if there was some sort of pattern there :D

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Originally Posted by davros

Never personally felt threatened,but the main problem (Even if a minority!) is the open fascist :mad: imagery on display in the Bernabeau.That is :rolleyes: all!

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The point about Spain is that, unlike Germany, they have felt - good or bad, right or wrong - that the time for telling people what not to display is too much like Francoism. Fascist symbols include something inocuous as the Spanish national emblem from the dictatorship. Toffs sell a replica of the old Spanish shirt which has this badge on (they also sell, innocently, Italian retro shirts with fascist ensignia, because that was the badges worn during Mussolini's rule). The display of this p*sses me off personally but it can hardly be club policy unless the same flag is displayed over its ground.

Rayo fans have flags of the equally contentious 2nd Republic as well as flags of the Soviet Union. When I was at a Depor v Malaga game a few years back a supporter had a USSR flag. Now correct me if I'm wrong but I'd put the Soviet regime higher on the scale of evil than Fat Frank's if not as bad (for ideological reasons only) as the third reich. But I didn't see the police remove this flag or go and hassle stall holders for selling them.

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Originally Posted by Dublin12

Well they have a leaning towards the right alright,just wondered if there was some sort of pattern there :D

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So I'm a fascist now! :rolleyes:

I just don't understand how a club can openly support a fascist group(ultra sur)by encouraging them with free tickets to games and giving them a free hand to do what the fcuk they want in and around the stadium,thats all I have to say about it.

N o I didn't say you were a Fascist pal,as Dav said you seem to be a big defender thats all