Potentially eligible players thread

Liam Delap scored a hat trick in a preseason game for Man City U18's. Here's one of them
Also, Joe Hodge captained the team.

Quick question

If Rory qualified via grandparent ( i don't know his background, but hypotactically, does his young fella actually qualify for us? as it would be his great grandparent

According to his wiki page, both his parents are Irish: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rory_D...d_charity_work

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Rory's father is John Delap from Letterkenny and his mother Maura Delap from Kells

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Putting rory aside. Let's say david mcgoldrick, who qualified through the grandparent rule. Would mcgoldrick son qualify for us?

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I don't think that's Kenny's way. He'd be more along the Brian Kerr lines that he understands the political situation and any switch has to be led by the player themselves.

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Reports suggesting / saying he was approached by SK though Charles.

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Putting rory aside. Let's say david mcgoldrick, who qualified through the grandparent rule. Would mcgoldrick son qualify for us?

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His son wouldn't no. Not unless he happened to be born here.

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39472767.html

Baraclough speaks on Sykes. I find this terribly entertaining.

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Originally Posted by Olé Olé

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39472767.html

Baraclough speaks on Sykes. I find this terribly entertaining.

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This is even more entertaining;);););

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39110275.html

They're always going to lose players when they're waving Union Jacks, abusing Catholics and the players have to stand to GSTQ every time they play.

The set up is geared towards unionists and they're getting what they deserve. It'd be great if they acted like Northern Ireland and not the Great British D team.

The GSTQ is hard to believe.. just sing danny boy until they can find a proper fair anthem

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Putting rory aside. Let's say david mcgoldrick, who qualified through the grandparent rule. Would mcgoldrick son qualify for us?

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Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut

His son wouldn't no. Not unless he happened to be born here.

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I could imagine he may have gotten a passport at some point. Does that 'reset' the whole thing?

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Originally Posted by John83

I could imagine he may have gotten a passport at some point. Does that 'reset' the whole thing?

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Yep that's the question. Does it reset or not

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Putting rory aside. Let's say david mcgoldrick, who qualified through the grandparent rule. Would mcgoldrick son qualify for us?

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If the son was born after McGoldrick activated his Irish citizenship, then yes.

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Originally Posted by greendeiseboy

This is even more entertaining;);););

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/s...-39110275.html

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Confident Lad ! Great Man for a build Up !

As long as McGoldrick got his Irish citizenship before his son was born, his son could also become an Irish citizen and this could continue down the generations.

However the rules for international football are different, you can't go past grandparents. None of McGoldrick's kids can ever play for Ireland under the current rules.

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

As long as McGoldrick got his Irish citizenship before his son was born, his son could also become an Irish citizen and this could continue down the generations.

However the rules for international football are different, you can't go past grandparents. None of McGoldrick's kids can ever play for Ireland under the current rules.

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That is interesting, because you could technically have the situation where the Irish citizens abroad have Irish citizen children who in turn have Irish citizen children. Let's say they live in a country that doesn't automatically confer citizenship by birth (the Netherlands for example) and they never bothered to become naturalised Dutch citizens, because it was too much hassle and they still identified as Irish. Would FIFA force the youngest generation to play for the Netherlands, a country that they are not a citizen of?

Obviously a very edge case scenario I'm offering here, but interesting nonetheless.

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Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin

I don't think that's Kenny's way. He'd be more along the Brian Kerr lines that he understands the political situation and any switch has to be led by the player themselves.

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My issue with Kerr was he had personal beliefs that it would be best for northern nationalists to play for the north which is fair enough but his beliefs shouldn't come into it as his job was to bring the best players possible available to Ireland on board and that should always involve actively seeking out northern players who will want to represent us and welcome them into the fold

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Originally Posted by liamoo11

My issue with Kerr was he had personal beliefs that it would be best for northern nationalists to play for the north which is fair enough but his beliefs shouldn't come into it as his job was to bring the best players possible available to Ireland on board and that should always involve actively seeking out northern players who will want to represent us and welcome them into the fold

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Pretty stupid for a manager not to be actively encouraging good players or even potentially good players to play for the team he was managing !

Brian Kerr was not the smartest manager in the Dug-Out ! !

I know Kerr's father (and mother?) Was from Belfast. I remember him telling a story around Euro 2016 regarding Michael McGovern and how McGovern reached out to him about switching and playing for us. Kerr dissuaded from doing so, citing the players in and around his age and a few goalies that would be around for a while like Shay Given.

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Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut

They're always going to lose players when they're waving Union Jacks, abusing Catholics and the players have to stand to GSTQ every time they play.

The set up is geared towards unionists and they're getting what they deserve. It'd be great if they acted like Northern Ireland and not the Great British D team.

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Neil Lennon Mal Donaghy and many more were insulted by the locals there

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Originally Posted by ColourfulPeanut

It'd be great if they acted like Northern Ireland and not the Great British D team.

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They are both exactly the same thing. They do act like like Northern Ireland which is in essence a D rate GB.

a) England
b) Scotland
c) Wales
d) NI

Literally Great Britain’s “D”.

Southgate strikes again. The moment there's news of Kalvin Phillips being eligible for Ireland and presumably with Kenny making contact, Southgate calls him up (no reason to think this except Kenny has shown diligence with Ogbene and Sykes and I'm sure when he became aware of Phillips availability, he would have made contact). Southgate leaves out Grealish, Dele Alli, Madison and Barkley to call up a player who has never played a premier league match... Cynical...

Must say I have a chuckle every time an England squad is named and Grealish not in it. Petty I know, but it gives me some joy

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Must say I have a chuckle every time an England squad is named and Grealish not in it. Petty I know, but it gives me some joy

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I find it a little funny because you just know he's at home moaning to his daddy about Southgate.

And Southgate has gone and named a list of lads ahead of him, basically confirming Greenwood has leapfrogged him too: https://www.irishexaminer.com/sport/...-40037849.html

Agents are playing Southgate like a fiddle in England. In this case it was more the link to Jamaica than Ireland to be honest, but it was a clear tactic from the start.

It's not even about playing for England, it's just about becoming an "England International" because you can basically double your transfer value and wages by being one. Easy money for player and agent, yet Southgate falls for it every time.

I'd say, once Southgate is finished with the England team, he'll struggle badly in club management, like Coleman did after Wales. International football can hide a lot of weaknesses in managers if they have a few top level players in their international teams.

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

Agents are playing Southgate like a fiddle in England. In this case it was more the link to Jamaica than Ireland to be honest, but it was a clear tactic from the start.

It's not even about playing for England, it's just about becoming an "England International" because you can basically double your transfer value and wages by being one. Easy money for player and agent, yet Southgate falls for it every time.

I'd say, once Southgate is finished with the England team, he'll struggle badly in club management, like Coleman did after Wales. International football can hide a lot of weaknesses in managers if they have a few top level players in their international teams.

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Southgate’s club form prior to England wasn’t great at all. I think he got very lucky in the World Cup. Easy group with Tunisia and Panama. Took a 91st minute winner to beat Tunisia. Lost to Belgium as well.

In the knockouts, they got Colombia (who they only beat on penalties) then Sweden in the quarter before being beaten by Croatia in the semi.

Meanwhile the other side of the draw had France, Belgium, Brazil, Uruguay, Portugal, Argentina.

Suddenly he’s gotten the best tournament result since 66 - when they could just as easily have gone out in the last 16 or group stages and then the narrative would be entirely different and he would probably have been sacked and replaced by Mourinho or someone...

Even getting the job was only because Big Sam couldn’t keep his greasy mitts of an extra few bob and he was send packing faster than you can say entrapment.

I don't rate him either but, in terms of aggressively tying players, he's only doing what many here say we should be doing.

England will be humiliated by Germany or Belgium one day and that will be him gone.

I dont agree with this business of ireland capping a guy in the last minute or taking a guy who has a friendly cap for someone else

What southgate is doing is very cynical. He is knowingly ruining the international careers of certain players. He knows dawn well he will never play nathan Redmond. Kalvin phillips will play once for him and then will not be brought to the euros. Next manager comes in and says no thanks kalvin I'm going for the guy from man u or liverpool

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

England will be humiliated by Germany or Belgium one day and that will be him gone.

I dont agree with this business of ireland capping a guy in the last minute or taking a guy who has a friendly cap for someone else

What southgate is doing is very cynical. He is knowingly ruining the international careers of certain players. He knows dawn well he will never play nathan Redmond. Kalvin phillips will play once for him and then will not be brought to the euros. Next manager comes in and says no thanks kalvin I'm going for the guy from man u or liverpool

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Interesting trends right enough. I wonder. Jack grealish will be 25 soon... he will be 26 at least before he plays for England regularly. Rice seems to be different in that hes more what southgate needs in that position..

Players with a choice may need to evaluate that 1 cap benefit to their salaries against anyway making plenty of money and having a long career with ireland /scotland.. whomever.

Grealish is becoming a cautionary tale.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Must say I have a chuckle every time an England squad is named and Grealish not in it. Petty I know, but it gives me some joy

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Would youse take him back? (it could happen with the rule change although it would be difficult for both sides to walk it back)

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

He still wouldn't qualify even under the new rules.

Well feck him so.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Would youse take him back? (it could happen with the rule change although it would be difficult for both sides to walk it back)

I'd have him back in a heartbeat.

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No I cant stand him. I'm a United fan too and the rumors of him to United make me cringe.

I'm delighted that even with rule changes we don't have to go through another will he wont he saga. Hes a tool who thinks hes better than he is

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

He still wouldn't qualify even under the new rules.

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Is that a certainty though ? Seems to be a maybe

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Originally Posted by DeLorean

I don't rate him either but, in terms of aggressively tying players, he's only doing what many here say we should be doing.

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I think most people have got him wrong, i think with the youthful nature of his squads, and his own experience in the pressure cooker that is England international football, hes exactly the man they need. HEs done a good job and no one can deny that, he might not be right for Chelsea or Man UTD but hes more than suited to England, at present.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think most people have got him wrong, i think with the youthful nature of his squads, and his own experience in the pressure cooker that is England international football, hes exactly the man they need. HEs done a good job and no one can deny that, he might not be right for Chelsea or Man UTD but hes more than suited to England, at present.

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He's doing fine, but I do agree that the kind of jammy World Cup run elevates the perception of his performance to a much higher place than it ought to be.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

Is that a certainty though ? Seems to be a maybe

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Yep under the possible new rules if you have played for the country that you have applied to transfer too at any level your a goner

Surely its after the transfer? or did grealish play 21s after he transferred?

Yep. He played after

How much of us “Losing “ Grealish and Rice was down to Money. Big Money to be made for Player and Club if they do turn out to be successful England internationals. If money is your God then it was a No Brainer for Grealish and Rice ! !