Limerick Premier Division 2007/08

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Originally Posted by Jock MIB

And the standard of abuse we get from some players and management in this town, is disgraceful. SIMPLE as that!!!!!

Take one example i experienced, Refereein this year.

Situation Team taking Goal Kick, Team B defenders are all up at the Half way Line, Leaving Team A striker in the opposition half twenty yards behind the last defender.

Team A Goalkeeper takes goal kick and as soon as they do Team B shout offside, the ball goes straight to the Striker who then heads to goals and scores.

Team B players come running to me start asking(well more shouting) why he wasn't offside and i say you cant be offside from a goal kick.

They start calling me a Bleep Bleep disgrace and i have just made up a rule, the management start abusing me from the side line saying what bleep bleep rule is that never heard of that one before, this went on for at least 5-10 mins.

So what a surprise actually some players in this town who don't know the rules... never thought that was possible :rolleyes:

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Thats those under tens for you little trouble makers, would have thought their dads would have explained that rule to em, well done to the foward for takin advantage though i'd loved to have seen it

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Originally Posted by Philbert

What happened to John White? And Seamus, cant think of his surname?

I thought the lads were doing a good job up there. Got alot of good young players to sign

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wasnt aoghan behan your man who was john whites assistant?used to be involved with mungret regional and possibly wembley in the past as far as i know?definately mungret anyway.

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Originally Posted by halo16

wasnt aoghan behan your man who was john whites assistant?used to be involved with mungret regional and possibly wembley in the past as far as i know?definately mungret anyway.

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Seamus Jackson was John White's assistant this season just past. Aoghan Behan used to manage Mungret about 4-5 years ago but he has been managing Kildimo in the Desmond league for the past few seasons.

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Originally Posted by Jock MIB

And the standard of abuse we get from some players and management in this town, is disgraceful. SIMPLE as that!!!!!

Take one example i experienced, Refereein this year.

Situation Team taking Goal Kick, Team B defenders are all up at the Half way Line, Leaving Team A striker in the opposition half twenty yards behind the last defender.

Team A Goalkeeper takes goal kick and as soon as they do Team B shout offside, the ball goes straight to the Striker who then heads to goals and scores.

Team B players come running to me start asking(well more shouting) why he wasn't offside and i say you cant be offside from a goal kick.

They start calling me a Bleep Bleep disgrace and i have just made up a rule, the management start abusing me from the side line saying what bleep bleep rule is that never heard of that one before, this went on for at least 5-10 mins.

So what a surprise actually some players in this town who don't know the rules... never thought that was possible :rolleyes:

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Well said MikeYou stand up for yourself!We're behind you.Whats your account of the wembley v pike game then?

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Originally Posted by spacer

Well said MikeYou stand up for yourself!We're behind you.Whats your account of the wembley v pike game then?

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very intelligent response, wrong but very intelligent :rolleyes: and Pike beat wembley 4-1

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Originally Posted by Mercurial Vapor

Seamus Jackson was John White's assistant this season just past. Aoghan Behan used to manage Mungret about 4-5 years ago but he has been managing Kildimo in the Desmond league for the past few seasons.

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sorry vapor,got mixed up.always thought that lad was aoghan behan.small baldy lad about 40 ya?he was definately involved with mungret anyway.

was speaking to a lad i know today who is involved with a team in america playing to a similar standard to premier/1a in limerick.he told me there is a rule in the league that a team gets deducted points for every 3 players that they get sent off throughout a season.think its 3 points every time 3 players get a red card for violent conduct etc.
think this would be a very good rule to bring into the junior leagues in town.over the last few seasons there seems to be alot of lads getting sent off for fighting with other players and referees.(e.g wembley v pike game this season)
it might put a stop to half the rubbish that goes on every week and might make teams just get on with the football.

What does everybody think?can any of ye see a rule like this working?I think it would.

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Originally Posted by halo16

sorry vapor,got mixed up.always thought that lad was aoghan behan.small baldy lad about 40 ya?he was definately involved with mungret anyway.

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oh he'll love that description,you have a way with words halo 16,you're right with him being involved with Mungret,managed them a few years back

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Originally Posted by halo16

was speaking to a lad i know today who is involved with a team in america playing to a similar standard to premier/1a in limerick.he told me there is a rule in the league that a team gets deducted points for every 3 players that they get sent off throughout a season.think its 3 points every time 3 players get a red card for violent conduct etc.
think this would be a very good rule to bring into the junior leagues in town.over the last few seasons there seems to be alot of lads getting sent off for fighting with other players and referees.(e.g wembley v pike game this season)
it might put a stop to half the rubbish that goes on every week and might make teams just get on with the football.

What does everybody think?can any of ye see a rule like this working?I think it would.

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whats the league called the MLS,standard here would be slightly better i think,wouldn't be a fan of that rule myself,take points away for man handling a ref alright but for dismissals no,bigger fines and longer bans is what i'd propose

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Originally Posted by halo16

What does everybody think?can any of ye see a rule like this working?I think it would.

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Personally i don't think any rule brought in will make a difference, its the players own responsibility to control his or her emotions.
There is line between frustration and Plain Abuse and sorry but some players don't know how to stop themselves crossing that line.

People mention the rugby secenario how they get respect.. well having the 10 yard rule and reversing penalties make a huge difference in rugby, So players have to be more disciplined but not sure it would have the same effect in soccer unless you can give actual penalties(which would never happen).

Lets call a spade a spade, its a thankless job being a ref.
Ask any limerick soccer player and the response would be

"Jesus i wouldn't do it"

it all boils down to Respect.

So how do we all(meaning everybody not just referees) earn respect?

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Originally Posted by Jock MIB

Personally i don't think any rule brought in will make a difference, its the players own responsibility to control his or her emotions.
There is line between frustration and Plain Abuse and sorry but some players don't know how to stop themselves crossing that line.

People mention the rugby secenario how they get respect.. well having the 10 yard rule and reversing penalties make a huge difference in rugby, So players have to be more disciplined but not sure it would have the same effect in soccer unless you can give actual penalties(which would never happen).

Lets call a spade a spade, its a thankless job being a ref.
Ask any limerick soccer player and the response would be

"Jesus i wouldn't do it"

it all boils down to Respect.

So how do we all(meaning everybody not just referees) earn respect?

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Well said Ref, the sooner players give more respect the better!
I think the book should be thrown at Wembley to make an example of them. They have been trying to bully ref's for years, the amount of s**t they give officials is a joke. If ref's are consistent in their card giving for dissent etc. maybe players would wake up and respect the man in the middle!

I know this is a little off the point now with regard discipline towards players for abusing refs etc... I totally agree that some players can take it too far protesting and the refs should be protected a lil more...

However can anyone please tell me if refs are allowed to curse at a player such as "Shut your f***ing mouth?" When the player made a half decent challenge, ref blew the whistle for a free and the penalised player asked why they were penalised that was the ref's response!! :confused:

Again i am not anti-refs.....just wondering is it acceptable?

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Originally Posted by oscar

oh he'll love that description,you have a way with words halo 16,you're right with him being involved with Mungret,managed them a few years back

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wasnt being smart with my post oscar.was just trying to make out if i had the right fella.wasnt trying to offend the man.

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Originally Posted by oscar

whats the league called the MLS,standard here would be slightly better i think,wouldn't be a fan of that rule myself,take points away for man handling a ref alright but for dismissals no,bigger fines and longer bans is what i'd propose

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not the mls oscar:rolleyes:,a junior league around boston areais what it was similar to premier/1a as i said in the post.id agree with you regarding the bigger fines and longer bans.it was just a proposal i put out there to see what the general thought would be on the subject.i do admit i cudnt see the council bring a rule in like that,afterall they cant even organise the fixtures!

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Originally Posted by BigBird

Well said Ref, the sooner players give more respect the better!
I think the book should be thrown at Wembley to make an example of them. They have been trying to bully ref's for years, the amount of s**t they give officials is a joke. If ref's are consistent in their card giving for dissent etc. maybe players would wake up and respect the man in the middle!

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Respect goes both ways and some referees in town have very little respect for the players and therefore get very little respect in return.

It seems to be the overall view from everyone that the following changes should be made.

1) Change of fixture set up

2) Change of kick off times (ie 1pm/1.30pm etc on Sunday's, to ensure more supporters at games)

3) Change in attitude both from refs and players.


IMO,
Re: 1) All teams should receive 2 sets of fixtures (1st set with games to be played up to xmas and 2nd set with games to be palyed from Jan 1st to the last day of the season), and unless there is a death in either club or your opponent is involved in a cup competetion, then your game will go ahead on that date..............(With no game to be called off due to Oscar Traynor being played unless you have a minimum of 2 players involve in the OT)

Re: 2) All Prem & Div 1A games should kick off at 1.30pm every Sunday (finishing at 3.15/3.30 latest, and still on time to watch any footy on at 4pm on the box)..this will ensure much better support for all clubs (in fairness who would want to get out of bed on one of their days off to watch a game at 10.30 on a Sunday morning).............teams outside the top 2 ldivsions could then play their Sunday games at 10.30 (finishing at 12.15/12.30 latest, with plenty of time to go watch any of the other 2 top division teams play)...............Refs could also ref 2 games a day as they have been doing anyway.

Re : 3) Any player that receives 3 yellow cards, automatically misses the next game.....full stop................this would stop players giving back chat to refs.


These are just suggestions, and I know some of the players involved outside the top 2 divisions will slate me, but at the end of the day, the teams in the top 2 divsions in Limerick are their for a reason.

I would agree with your suggestions.
Also i would have an automatic one match ban for a red. If the same player gets another red 2 game ban next time. 3 reds = 3 game ban for the third red and so on...
Could do something similar with the yellows.
3 yellows = 1 game
6 yellows = 2 games

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

It seems to be the overall view from everyone that the following changes should be made.

1) Change of fixture set up

2) Change of kick off times (ie 1pm/1.30pm etc on Sunday's, to ensure more supporters at games)

3) Change in attitude both from refs and players.


IMO,
Re: 1) All teams should receive 2 sets of fixtures (1st set with games to be played up to xmas and 2nd set with games to be palyed from Jan 1st to the last day of the season), and unless there is a death in either club or your opponent is involved in a cup competetion, then your game will go ahead on that date..............(With no game to be called off due to Oscar Traynor being played unless you have a minimum of 2 players involve in the OT)

Re: 2) All Prem & Div 1A games should kick off at 1.30pm every Sunday (finishing at 3.15/3.30 latest, and still on time to watch any footy on at 4pm on the box)..this will ensure much better support for all clubs (in fairness who would want to get out of bed on one of their days off to watch a game at 10.30 on a Sunday morning).............teams outside the top 2 ldivsions could then play their Sunday games at 10.30 (finishing at 12.15/12.30 latest, with plenty of time to go watch any of the other 2 top division teams play)...............Refs could also ref 2 games a day as they have been doing anyway.

Re : 3) Any player that receives 3 yellow cards, automatically misses the next game.....full stop................this would stop players giving back chat to refs.


These are just suggestions, and I know some of the players involved outside the top 2 divisions will slate me, but at the end of the day, the teams in the top 2 divsions in Limerick are their for a reason.

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Abbeyvale,

I totally concur with your foresight but you cannot plan fixtures over an entire season. The first round of league fixtures are not a problem but its when you get into the second round you have deviations due to cup fixtures, FAI, MJC, cancellations etc, its not as atraight forward as many believe. However there is no way a situation such as the farce that is the end of this season in Limerick should have occured, thatis unforgiveable and an insult to our league. More young people should consider taking up administrative roles in Limerick football, there is a preception that it is for older people. Their time has come and gone and its time to move aside in order for football in Limerick to move forward.

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Originally Posted by BigBird

Well said Ref, the sooner players give more respect the better!
I think the book should be thrown at Wembley to make an example of them. They have been trying to bully ref's for years, the amount of s**t they give officials is a joke. If ref's are consistent in their card giving for dissent etc. maybe players would wake up and respect the man in the middle!

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thats rich comming from a fairview man Brian, the likes if fairview and pike are at that game longer than anyone else

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Originally Posted by dell hell

thats rich comming from a fairview man Brian, the likes if fairview and pike are at that game longer than anyone else

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Bigbird isn't Brian. It's somebody that likes to pretend he is. Sad.

Abbeyvale, any word on the situation at Star for next season? is it true that a few players are goin back playin for ye? will ye bounce straight back up?

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Originally Posted by BigBird

Well said Ref, the sooner players give more respect the better!
I think the book should be thrown at Wembley to make an example of them. They have been trying to bully ref's for years, the amount of s**t they give officials is a joke. If ref's are consistent in their card giving for dissent etc. maybe players would wake up and respect the man in the middle!

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totally disagree with this.think it was a once off for wembley. the player has been banned for 12 months. an isolated incident. club fined and manager got suspension. what more do u want. we played them 3/4 times this season and was very impressed with them, they have a good young passing side that dont need to abuse refs.

ya hes not from the view. I agree with last post. pretty sad to be pretending to be keating.

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Originally Posted by Football Alien

Abbeyvale, any word on the situation at Star for next season? is it true that a few players are goin back playin for ye? will ye bounce straight back up?

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I'm hearing rumours that Windy Hogan is to take the Star job next season......but thats yet to be confirmed.

I haven't heard of any players signing back with Star tbh.

I'm also not fully convinced most of the current squad will stay together for the coming season either.........as a lot of them only signed for Pa Boland, so we'll see.

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Originally Posted by timmy

totally disagree with this.think it was a once off for wembley. the player has been banned for 12 months. an isolated incident. club fined and manager got suspension. what more do u want. we played them 3/4 times this season and was very impressed with them, they have a good young passing side that dont need to abuse refs.

ya hes not from the view. I agree with last post. pretty sad to be pretending to be keating.

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wasn't there a ref knocked out a few years ago in rathurd by a wembley player ,so it's not a one off

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Originally Posted by paddy angelo

wasn't there a ref knocked out a few years ago in rathurd by a wembley player ,so it's not a one off

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cant recall that. maybe if you had a name i might be able to find out for you.

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Originally Posted by timmy

cant recall that. maybe if you had a name i might be able to find out for you.

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mike dedigan was the ref

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Originally Posted by paddy angelo

wasn't there a ref knocked out a few years ago in rathurd by a wembley player ,so it's not a one off

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Unless you can back up statements like that with facts, until then my friend dont slate wembley think that incident happened out the northside

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Originally Posted by dalegend

Unless you can back up statements like that with facts, until then my friend dont slate wembley think that incident happened out the northside

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it was a few years ago when wembley had a b and c team and it is a fact my friend it happened in rathurd on a sunday afternoon

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Originally Posted by BrassBalls

Well if it did happen in rathurd all those years ago you can hardly blame the wembley players that play now:rolleyes:

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not blaming the wembley players that play now, just saying it's not the once off timmy was trying say in the above qoute

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

It seems to be the overall view from everyone that the following changes should be made.

1) Change of fixture set up

2) Change of kick off times (ie 1pm/1.30pm etc on Sunday's, to ensure more supporters at games)

3) Change in attitude both from refs and players.


IMO,
Re: 1) All teams should receive 2 sets of fixtures (1st set with games to be played up to xmas and 2nd set with games to be palyed from Jan 1st to the last day of the season), and unless there is a death in either club or your opponent is involved in a cup competetion, then your game will go ahead on that date..............(With no game to be called off due to Oscar Traynor being played unless you have a minimum of 2 players involve in the OT)

Re: 2) All Prem & Div 1A games should kick off at 1.30pm every Sunday (finishing at 3.15/3.30 latest, and still on time to watch any footy on at 4pm on the box)..this will ensure much better support for all clubs (in fairness who would want to get out of bed on one of their days off to watch a game at 10.30 on a Sunday morning).............teams outside the top 2 ldivsions could then play their Sunday games at 10.30 (finishing at 12.15/12.30 latest, with plenty of time to go watch any of the other 2 top division teams play)...............Refs could also ref 2 games a day as they have been doing anyway.

Re : 3) Any player that receives 3 yellow cards, automatically misses the next game.....full stop................this would stop players giving back chat to refs.


These are just suggestions, and I know some of the players involved outside the top 2 divisions will slate me, but at the end of the day, the teams in the top 2 divsions in Limerick are their for a reason.

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Abbey, you have made a lot of good points...

However some are wide of the mark....One of the main reasons why the fixtures in 07/08 season have been a farce are because there was very little footy played in December and January time as, unfortunately we don't live in a Mediterranean climate

Predictions for tomorrows match's

Carew 2 - 1 Granville
Summerville 1 - 1 Balla

Corbally 1-3 Balla Tuesday night

These results would see Carew,Summerville and Granville safe with corbally being relegated

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Originally Posted by spacer

Predictions for tomorrows match's

Carew 2 - 1 Granville
Summerville 1 - 1 Balla

Corbally 1-3 Balla Tuesday night

These results would see Carew,Summerville and Granville safe with corbally being relegated

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any games go ahead today?

summerville were beaten by balla 4-1 when i left with about five minutes to play
any result from the granville carew game

balla won 5 - 1
balla were missing about 10 players
carew won 4 nil

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Originally Posted by BrassBalls

Ha ha take that sick of fellas like monaghan on here gloating about being involved in a relegation scrap like its brilliant you dont see any of the granville carew corbally lads on here doing that suppose they've a bit of cop on for that i'd love them to stay up. Now summerville go off nd play ye're harts out for analog nd get ye're inter firm medals

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Well said could'nt agree more anyways they are the second worse team in the league and theyll get what they deserve i'm almost full sure theyve conceded the most goals in the league and as for the inter-firm thats a disgrace

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Originally Posted by backodanet

balla won 5 - 1
balla were missing about 10 players
carew won 4 nil

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they were beaten 5-1 and balla were missing 10 players ????? balla are goin to field the same team against corbally so please summerville lads take it on the chin if corbally beat balla and yer relegated please dont start a civil war here cause the season is 22 games long

Premier League Table
Pike Rovers......... 22 / 56 (Max Pts 56)..........Champions
Ballynanty Rovers 20 / 49 (Max Pts 55)...........Runners Up
Fairview Rangers 21 / 40 (Max Pts 43)
Regional United.... 22 / 39 (Max Pts 39)
Janesboro............22 / 35 (Max Pts 35)
Aisling Annacotty 22 / 32 (Max Pts 32)
Wembley Rovers..22 / 27 (Max Pts 27)
Carew Park......... 22 / 23 (Max Pts 23)
Summerville Rovers 22 / 20 (Max Pts 20)
Granville Rangers... 22 / 20 (Max Pts 20)
Corbally United.... 21 / 19 (Max Pts 22)
Star Rovers.......... 22 / 10 (Max Pts 10).........Relegated


Remaining Games
Balla(2)- CORBALLY,Fairview,
Corbally(1)- Balla
Fairview (1)-BALLA

Results
Sunday June 29th 2008 (10.30)
Carew Park 4-0 Granville
Summerville 1-5 Balla

Fixtures
Tuesday 01st July (18.45)
Balla v Corbally

Thursday 03rd July (18.45)
Fairview v Balla


Lads
I said a few weeks back that we could end up with more than 2 teams all on the same number of points for the one relegation spot.
If Corbally draw with Balla on Tuesday we will have 3 teams on 20pts.............anyone know what happens if this does happen?


Possible scenarios:
1) Corbally draw with Balla and we have a 3 way tie for the last relegation spot.
2) Corbally win and are safe, resulting in Summerville and Granville having to play off, with the losers getting relegated.
3) Corbally lose and are relegated, with Summerville and Granville staying up........

Whats your money on?????

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Originally Posted by abbeyvale

Premier League Table
Pike Rovers......... 22 / 56 (Max Pts 56)..........Champions
Ballynanty Rovers 20 / 49 (Max Pts 55)
Fairview Rangers 21 / 40 (Max Pts 43)
Regional United.... 22 / 39 (Max Pts 39)
Janesboro............22 / 35 (Max Pts 35)
Aisling Annacotty 22 / 32 (Max Pts 32)
Wembley Rovers..22 / 27 (Max Pts 27)
Carew Park......... 22 / 23 (Max Pts 23)
Summerville Rovers 22 / 20 (Max Pts 20)
Granville Rangers... 22 / 20 (Max Pts 20)
Corbally United.... 21 / 19 (Max Pts 22)
Star Rovers.......... 22 / 10 (Max Pts 10).........Relegated


Remaining Games
Balla(2)- CORBALLY,Fairview,
Corbally(1)- Balla
Fairview (1)-BALLA

Results
Sunday June 29th 2008 (10.30)
Carew Park 4-0 Granville
Summerville 1-5 Balla

Fixtures
Tuesday 01st July (18.45)
Balla v Corbally

Thursday 03rd July (18.45)
Fairview v Balla


Lads
I said a few weeks back that we could end up with more than 2 teams all on the same number of points for the one relegation spot.
If Corbally draw with Balla on Tuesday we will have 3 teams on 20pts.............anyone know what happens if this does happen?


Possible scenarios:
1) Corbally draw with Balla and we have a 3 way tie for the last relegation spot.
2) Corbally win and are safe, resulting in Summerville and Granville having to play off, with the losers getting relegated.
3) Corbally lose and are relegated, with Summerville and Granville staying up........

Whats your money on?????

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it'll prob be scenario 2 if balla have the same team out on tues,, dunphy in goals today too just tells u how bad summerville are!

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Originally Posted by allab

it'll prob be scenario 2 if balla have the same team out on tues,, dunphy in goals today too just tells u how bad summerville are!

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I'd have to go with allab here.Scenario 2 as balla had a pretty depleated team out there today and summerville were just crap(for the lack of words).Balla played them off the park and with some good goals as well.One of course stood out with the baldy chap for balla scoring it!From what i have seen of corbally they should still beat balla if they put out the same team on tuesday night.Will the playoff then between summerville and graville be on this week.SURELY it will be on thursday night or something.Will it be jackman park.Don't fancy watching that game.2 BAD TEAMS.They don't want the league going on any longer?
Prediction:Summerville to lose and get relagated!

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Originally Posted by spacer

I'd have to go with allab here.Scenario 2 as balla had a pretty depleated team out there today and summerville were just crap(for the lack of words).Balla played them off the park and with some good goals as well.One of course stood out with the baldy chap for balla scoring it!From what i have seen of corbally they should still beat balla if they put out the same team on tuesday night.Will the playoff then between summerville and graville be on this week.SURELY it will be on thursday night or something.Will it be jackman park.Don't fancy watching that game.2 BAD TEAMS.They don't want the league going on any longer?
Prediction:Summerville to lose and get relagated!

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It would probably be played Sunday afternoon in Jackman.