https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-38794893.html this sets out the arguments well all of which have been well aired on here
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https://m.independent.ie/sport/socce...-38794893.html this sets out the arguments well all of which have been well aired on here
Fair play to Johansson.
Things I’d say:
1) FIFA are wrong, if not legally then morally. A 15 year old child who has been lied to by the Luxembourg FA cannot make an informed decision.
2) If the FAI weren’t broke, they should be paying for CAS. This decision has plenty of knock ons. In the circumstances, Bayern should offer to pay his CAS case. It’s pennies to them.
3) The ruling as it stands means that Dan Crowley is also ineligible I guess. Which is really sad. Another kid who had no idea the choice he was making.
4) Really stresses the importance of insuring that Liam Delap, Louie Barry and CJ Reilly all have irish passports before March when they’ll be playing for England U17s. Once again, the FAI should really have someone employed to take care of this process for the kids and the parents.
5) The best thing the FAI could do is lobby for a change to the rules. The rules were changed about 12 years ago because Algeria proposed a rule change and the majority of the nations agreed with it. A simple wording change to “eligible or entitled to eligibility” would be enough to solve this problem and wouldn’t really harm any other nations except perhaps Sweden re Johansson. (Perhaps a rule change that Delaney or Mooney could have swung? He joked)
6) might be no harm for Stephen Kenny to have him training with his side in March. The family are giving the sense that they’re anxious not to lose out on him playing underage international football, well having the opportunity of working with Stephen Kenny would be a big and positive statement from the FAI and from Kenny.
7) There’s definitely a feeling that his family are doing their best to get the story out as far and wide as possible that he wants to play for ireland. No harm considering the reaction the likes of Grealish and Rice have received. Good for a young man like him to avoid all the idiots online who would hammer him if he ended up playing for Sweden.
Yeah, have to wonder about the Dan Crowley situation now. Was he registered on the FBR before lining out for England U16? I assume he was because he was already to be called up for Irish senior team so you'd assume it was cleared with FIFA
Crowley did appear in friendlies for the Ireland under 17s in 2013, and had played for the u16s before that. You'd hope he had his Irish passport at that stage, but possibly not.
I wonder is it only an issue for fifa if another nation objects like Luxembourg did for Johansson? England would be unlikely to object I would say given our shared historyQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
The callum robinson sitution would indicate yes, the issue is now going forward and Dan hasn't been okayed.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
If we lose this battle we will lose the war on this, as every granny rule player who played for England underage or whoever is now gone. ( none of them will have Irish passports)
I welcome Ryan's legal action, but should our friends in Abbottsown not also been engaging their solicitors as well.
Yeah couldn't come at a worst time with no money in the fai potQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Was there something similar with Tim Cahill - I think played for Samoa youth team? And then was able to play for Australia after an appeal!
Yeah, he played when he was 14 or something, but he only accepted the call up because he wanted a free flight to see his grandparents!
Samoa didn't object to his transfer to Australia either
I can't say Im impressed with that legaleseQuote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
There's even an attempt to reinterpret the Irish citizenship laws, that just because Ryan was entitled to apply for Irish citizenship is claimed to be the equivalent of actually being an Irish citizen.
And the fact that Ryan's parents were aware of his decision to switch to Luxembourg nullifies the exploitation argument.
That just leaves the fickleness of youth argument, which is a truth but not a defence for malfeasance.
Brexit, Soldier F...:)Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
The other thing, his Da is Albanian. That usually is a heavy pull, not entirely different to some of our golden generation 2g'ers.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Nationality is murky and undefinable in this modern world we live in. Brexit has been a great example of this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Yep, its positive certainly.Quote:
Originally Posted by elatedscum
Yes, I think the FAI should have been doing more. They certainly should have been liaising with DFA when the eligibility changes were made 12 years ago that ElastedScum referred to. It's disappointing, because you'd have to think that these changes would have been circulated to all FIFA members. A simple meeting with relevant DFA officials, even between the two legal departments, would have worked out that this had the potential to be a problem. However there's nothing to say that this didn't happen, but maybe the FAI decided to ignore the situation in the idea that 'well it's not been a problem previously, and nobody has called us out on it before, lets truck on'.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I don't necessarily agree that we'll lose the war. In a way I nearly like what FIFA are doing, apart from the fact that it definitely aids the bigger nations more than the weaker ones who generally rely on this type of player. I would imagine Turkey will be a little nervous in this situation, particularly with so many of their internationals over the years being 2g'ers from Germany.
I'll qualify what I like about it, and I'll preface this by saying my understanding of the eligibility laws is nowhere near as strong as some of you.
Take 3 players: Player A was born in Ireland, to Irish parents - simples. Player B was born in Scotland, to a Scottish father and Irish mother: simples. Player C was born in the Netherlands to a Finnish father who had a Bosnian father and Albanian mother, and a Belgian mother with an Irish father and an English mother. Murky. We all know A&B, and C is a 'dramatization, may not have happened' scenario.
In FIFA's eyes, player C can play underage for one team, and could play for any one of 6 other nations. Hell, he may not have played underage for any of the 7, but could get called into squads for a number of the 7 as a Senior international without playing for any of them and still get called up by another one of the 7. Ensur.
The problem with this resolution is that it's closing the door after the horse has bolted. The other problem goes back to my first point, which is that Nationality is so far mixed that it's very hard to define.
What the FAI could do, in conjunction with the DFA and their missions around the world, is to actually be proactive. Release a short video, on what is required and get Missions to post on their social media channels. Bring exposure to the issue.
I'm almost in full agreement with you. It's not the fickleness of youth argument, it's the fickleness of parents, erm, argument. A child cannot dictate to parents what they must do.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
You haven't met Bonny Shels, have you?Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
The 15s won yesterday again https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/irel...australia-u17s and had an American lad involved who it looks like noel king personally delivered https://mobile.twitter.com/oakwood_a...52241187692549
Could Lukas Jutkiewicz be 2020's Bernie Slaven???
Ryan Johansson moving to Sevilla, have we given up hope on his availability to us yet
Declared for Sweden according to his agent today. It’s on Newstalk
Seems to be a suggestion that it's because he wouldn't have been allowed to play for us, so chose Sweden over Lux.
https://twitter.com/KennysKids/statu...786520576?s=19
Grim stuff on Johansson. I'm disgusted they didn't budge in FIFA on this.
Really sad stuff and I suspect if FAI wasn't in disarray the organization could have championed his case properly. This seems insane to me that he can't play for us. I can imagine a scenario where he's basically got no support from the FAI despite his publicly stated intentions of wanting to play for us.
A Callum Whelan playing for Watford tonight - eligible ? (Going only by the name)
Disappointing, right now Molumby looks good though so hopefully we wont miss him too muchQuote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Ex Man U youth. Flash score have always had a tricolour next to his name.Quote:
Originally Posted by DCWA
https://www.flashscore.com/player/wh...llum/IHV75N8s/
I asked about him on here before but got no reply 😢
There's also a Oliver Casey at Leeds, 19 yrs old, who was on the bench at the weekend. It seems he has not represented anyone internationally, might be eligible.
18 year old Mason O'Malley on the bench for Scunthorpe. Flashscore give him the privilege of the tri-colour and I had never heard of him. But it looks like he's been involved in training camps for us: https://www.scunthorpe-united.co.uk/...mason-omalley/
From what I gather Ryan and his parents took the decision for him to switch from Ireland to Lux. If that was the case what can the FAI do? They tried to support his application to re switch to the FAI but Ryan was ineligible. As dysfunctional and all as the FAI were, they were reasonably efficient when it came to getting kids to declare for Ireland without pushing it or forcing the issue, and that’s how it should be. Sometimes kids are just mixed up. beyond the pale.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Louie Barry has joined Villa from Barcelona, who he joined form West Brom not so long ago.
According to the latest scoring report from the FAI, will Keane has acquired his passport: https://www.fai.ie/ireland/news/scou...rthy-at-saints
McGoldrick, Robinson, Long, Connolly, Obafemi are all playing at a higher level than league one. Parrott and Idah are probably on the fringes of the senior squad, and Curtis already has international caps, so they're ahead of him too.Quote:
“Will got his passport sorted last year but he has struggled with injuries until now and we will keep an eye on him at Ipswich."
So, is he the eighth choice?
Probably not. Collins, O'Brien and Hogan are potentially ahead of him as well.
You know, Im all for getting players in but I dont want Keane. He had absolutely no notion of ever EVER playing for Ireland. He is tenth choice in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
When you have a brother saying this, it should not happen:
"When I was with Ireland, I wasn't good enough to play for England at that time. And I was only young and small and still developing.
"I had in the back of my head that hopefully one day I could play for England.
"I know when I switched, I felt really, really English. My dad's Irish, but I don't know any of his Irish family, so I've never really felt like I'm fully Irish.
Again I am all for the granny rule (give the benefit of a doubt if you will) but not this guy. Decky says no
Interesting article here for anyone thats interested > https://www.theguardian.com/football...are_AndroidApp
Oh God, I hate reading that article and seeing the line about his dad's shirt collection. Any time I have read it I see the image in my head of him after Declan's Ireland debut and the look of sheer jubilation in his eyes. Poor fella.
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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Don't forget Seani Maguire! Plus Paddy Madden and Eoin Doyle have far more goals at League One level. And Joe Mason has scored more than 40 times in The Championship. So... maybe sixteenth choice, at least until we see if Afolabi does the business at Dunfermline. And we have Cassidy, Oko-Flex, Scully and Odubeko in the pipeline. Now I know Keane's career has been horribly impeded by injuries and Ipswich's implosion and perhaps he should be at a higher level but, right now, I can't see a justification for a call-up for him in the foreseeable futureQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
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Originally Posted by samhaydenjr
You'd have to assume he's just getting his Irish passport cos of The Brexit....
Unless he has a very very high opinion of himself. I don't even want to read about him, to be honest.
Isn't it great to have this luxury of all those strikers. It feels like a dream sometimes.
That article states Trent Alexander Arnold has dual nationality, but the main part of articles gives any details. Have never seen TAA mentioned as being eligible for any other nation.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
Seems like lazy journalism, the mixed race lads are always presumed to be eligible for someone else.
They have sequences the countries for which the players are eligible subsequently in that article. TAA is eligible for the US they are stating. One wouldn't imply that he is US-eligible solely on mixed race, I wouldn't think. You're reaching.Quote:
Originally Posted by Strongbow10
in researching this, i found a us fan thread, some of the comments are cracking. i'm not one to say americans don't understand football but this gem is a beauty:Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Dated 'one year ago', so i guess that means anything up to 1 year and 364 days...
“Just what we need, another RB! He's a decent player, but no better than Yedlin.”
I see there's a Fionn Mooney in the English under 17 squad. Sounds a particularly Irish sounding name - both first name and second name - presumably there's a connection to us there somewhere.
EDIT - I see he has been involved with our under 15s in the past.
Not sure if he has his own thread (doubt it) but Dennis Cirkin?
Wearing an Engerland shirt on his Twitterbook:
https://twitter.com/DCirkin3?ref_src...Ctwgr%5Eauthor
cant say I like this one either:
https://www.sportsfile.com/id/1607914/
Discussion about him 'the42' > https://www.the42.ie/dennis-cirkin-p...66786-Jan2020/
Planned for their under 17s last year as well