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Anyone else in favour of putting this thread to bed,at least until after the Euros.
Just seems to go round in circles when there is more pressing issues at hand.
It's only chatter on a discussion forum. What duties should we be performing otherwise that we're currently neglecting?
Well, with only 6 weeks to go someone has to make an in depth preview of the Croatian team.
http://www.birminghampost.net/midlan...5233-30890029/
Ireland believes his award has transformed him from zero to hero in the villa supporters eyes. I wonder will that give him confidence of changing the Irish folks view of him. :rolleyes:
Of note is the paraphrased comment "Ireland insists the support he has received from fans this season has prompted his surge in confidence." showing what a fragile psyche he has. If he were to return to Ireland, get booed and then dropped you feel that it could destroy him, which is perhaps where part of the fear comes from.
Wanted by Mark Hughes at QPR.
Played his best ever football under him
Yup. http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage...oy-at-QPR.html
Would Sparky urge him to return to the Boys in Green?
Typical Hughes signing, a player he's worked with before.
So far he's signed Bellamy twice (Blackburn and Liverpool) as well as working with him at Wales
Roque Santa Cruz twice (Blackburn and City)
earlier this week I read QPR had been linked with Shay Given and Andy Johnson, City and Blackburn respectively
For what it's worth, Ireland would be better off working with Lambert
Yeah, he'd be better off staying with Lambert. Sparky's teams are always rough and tumble affairs.
QPR looks like the most unstable ship imaginable, he'd be mad to leave villa when things are finally starting to look up.
An unstable sailor on an unstable ship. Sounds fine to me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Darren Bent says today that ireland is Villa's best player and must play "in the hole" consistently to get the best out of him.
I definitely think it's in his best interests to stay at Aston Villa and away from Hughes. In my mind, he's a far more talented version of Hoolahan and will thrive under Lambert.
How much difference the lad could have made at the Euros ahead of Glenn Whelan.
Don't be daft, its not like Whelan was the difference between the atrocity we witnessed and a halfway decent tournament. Besides, he probably would've quit during the thunderstorms prior to the Hungary friendly.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Like against Cyprus :)Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I don't think they're comparable. Like Darren Bent says, he's a final third player, Whelan is deeper lying player.
I still think Stephen Ireland should not be asked directly by Trap or the FAI to come back. The move must come from him. The Irish at Villa can intermediate.
Semi-Final place at least. It's amazing what an Aston Villa sub could do to change the fortunes of the team.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Playing Ireland deep is suicide for any team. If Cyprus demolished us doing that Spain could break records with him there.
I dont think Ireland can play in the 2 man CM.
I keep remembering not only Cyprus but also Villa v Newcastle awhile back when he played there. They got ripped apart.
With all Trap's talk of maybe fresh blood & a new formation then Stephen Ireland has to be looked at again....
McCarthy and Gibson behind Ireland behind A.N. Other?
No shortage of passing ability in that triangle. Works in theory, with at least one robust wide player.
3 ball playing midfielders, attacking full backs, pacy wide players with bite and an athletic no. 9. Surely too much to ask for?
Ireland deserves to be brought back in now. No one who went to the Euros can quibble about him now after that debacle.Quote:
Originally Posted by theworm2345
As it stands it's Ireland, McCarthy, Gibson - pick any two of the three. And after that it's sorry Messrs Whelan and Andrews but you've had your chance and failed miserably.
Deserves to based on what?Quote:
Originally Posted by mark12345
What aboutQuote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Code:Walters
McGeady
McLean Gibson McCarthy Brady
Cunningham Dunne O'Shea Kelly
Completely agree with this idea. Ireland can go forward and score and as you mentioned in a later post, having a big strong forward like Walters, I think we would be competitive. The only issue is Trap and his gameplan.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
In terms of how Ireland can rejoin us, this would be the obvious time to do this as his country needs him and anybody else who can help us. If he just shows some humility and a willingness to be part of the team, I think people will eventually accept him.
We could just drop everybody and play a young team. All prem players
---------------------------Westwood-------------------------------
Coleman-----------Duffy---------------Clark---------------Wilson---
----------------------------McCarthy-------------------------------
-------------------Gibson--------------Meyler-----------------------
---Brady-------------------------------------------------McClean---
------------------------------Long----------------------------------
I don't know enough about Brady other than the goal clips on youtube and the various updates on foot.ie. I've never seen him even on TV. In general I prefer the look of Bear's team and I'm not inclined just yet to assume McGeady as the free man - it's an option but not my first choice.
I think if Robbie steps aside (I think he needs to be demoted) we may see a new Doyle. Bear's team above with Doyle up top and Long in Brady's role, with Dunne as CB for the time being? None of these roles is rigid, it's all about players moving fluently and using common sense when to attack and when to cover. The modern game demands quick recovery from lost possession. We must learn that.
Sean Scannell is a player we could really do with having a breakthrough season. Trap knows about him from the Nigeria game. I think we've neglected to mention him. He's probably ahead of Brady (who has a habit of getting sent off!)?
Daniel Kearns at Peterborough is another player in that position with the technical ability to be a future senior international. Needs to work on other aspects of his game but certainly could be a player us in the coming years.
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...iomFEsYbdik8qgQuote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
My God, that is so attacking we don't even have a keeper ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
I love the way Gibson is now rehabiliated by many because he didn't feature in the 3 games. I don't think playing him would have made one iota of a difference in the overall performances.
I don't see that team scoring very many goals I am afraid. If Keane doesn't retire, either he or Long have to be in a side if we want to score goals.
As for the person who said "bring Ireland back", I don't think we ever let him go to bring him back but that has been discussed as nauseum.
Hehe, it's a sorry indictment of our starting elevens when our best players have always been those we don't play; Andy Reid, Steven Reid...Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
Correct. Ball is in his court to alert FAI to his availability.Quote:
As for the person who said "bring Ireland back", I don't think we ever let him go to bring him back but that has been discussed as nauseum.
A team of 6 bench warmers, smashing progress. Zlatan will be quaking in his boots.Quote:
Originally Posted by the bear
I'd be amazed if we could get all 3 on the pitch at the same time even once given each of their sick note rates. On paper its a midfield that works but I'd question if each of them have the temperament and reliability to cut it for building an international team around them. Gibson does seem to have copped on since he left Man Utd at least.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Gibson's sick note rate?
If Messi was Irish and he was playing instead of Glenn Whelan in that system we'd still have been hammered every game.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetai...858592,00.html
http://www.villatalk.com/index.php?n...=73161&start=0
Positive words from Ireland and a lot of excitement from villatalk on his performances through pre-season. Seems to be up for it with a lot of energy and determination again and we all know what a great season he had the last time he approached a pre-season like this. Lambert is a manager with a much greater appreciation for the technical player than hoofball McLeish so it could really benefit him.
Would love to see him come back for us to be honest. Bygones are bygones and we are not, and never have been, in the position where we can afford to ignore a player with talent. Ireland has talent to burn. Hoolahan is also very talented. Would love to see both incorporated for the upcoming campaign. But do you think Trap will do it. Better chance of seeing Southampton win the PL.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
I'd take him back at this point. Fresh start with a line drawn under everything that's gone in the past. I don't really think Trap is that bothered with him though to be honest. Can't see him fitting into Trap's old school system
They say on villa talk that he's been playing wide for them in pre-season, if he can function as a wide playmaker instead of one in a central 3 then he suddenly becomes someone that can fit into Trap's system.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fixer82