great post seagull..thanks for that
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great post seagull..thanks for that
cheers mate but i had quoted that from someone else!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ozymandias
Yeah, don't mention it ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Seagull-4-life
I had it as a new thread but the powers that be reckoned it was undeserving. Even thought his thread is a complete mess with offshoots in all directions. I think it is now about Brian Kerr !!
I agree with you on that and to me he is a proper footballing person in the best way however I feel his time with Ireland seniors has left him bitter towards the FAI etc and it clouds his opinions on issues such as this.Quote:
Originally Posted by macdermesser
There were rumblings last year of some Pats fans who were not too happy with him last year but I suppose that is the way with football too.
http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...ia/feb13q.html
Tardelli has loads of experience; him and Trap will make a great team!
Also worth a read; Lippi thinks it's a good appointment but a big, big challenge:
http://www.channel4.com/sport/footba...ia/feb13o.html
Don't think Robbie will be too happy with that, never gave him a chance at Inter after Lippi was sacked, didn't fancy him at all....Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
funny that Tardelli was the man that shipped Robbie Keane out of Inter after Lippi was sacked, strange how these things work out...Quote:
Originally Posted by Philly
Might keep Robbie on his toes and with a point to prove. Not a bad thing.
But, it was a load of ****e..one of the worst ireland games i have ever been to. So, at least he's honest.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
Absolutely, I think he is mostly bitter that after the Ireland job he has had no great demand for his services. According to his analysis we needed someone who had had success at International level with limited resources and was Irish. Surprised he didnt say it didnt matter if the success was at underage level!.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
After the way he was treated by the press in the latter days of his stewardship, I did think he would go easier on Staunton, but he was as bad as the rest of them, which lowered my opinion of him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Armando
I'm not saying Stan didn't deserve criticism, but did think Kerr would be more measured in his comments.
In the end of the article Dolan mentions that Trap not being at the announcement shows that he's just looking for one last payday. I completely disagree with this. IMO it shows that he's completely professional and doesn't want to take time off from his current job, one that he is currently being paid for. Perhaps he is a bit too old and possibly past it, but I seriously doubt a man with Trapattoni's professionalism would ever just be looking for one last payday.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
In regards to Kerr, I really don't think he's ****ed at this appointment. I'm sure he was at Staunton's (and who'd blame him) but I think he's just trying to be objective. Trapattoni is not a guarenteed success and he does have one blotch on his CV - the Italy job - but we were never going to be able to get a perfect candidate.
I have said this before, Nobody can be ojbective about a matter of opinion it is impossible. Especially then when they have worked for the organisation in the same role that they are commenting on. He is being subjective and offering his opinion which is fair enough and he is concentrating on the valid concerns which is fair enough but I think to be fair and balanced he should spend as much time if not more on the benefits and strong points of Trappatoni. He did not he highlighted the concerns, and as a result it comes across as bitter especially when you add to it his previous comments.
However I was and am a supporter of Kerr and his type that invest time and money in Irish football and it should not be forgotton what he did for Pats and the underage set up in Ireland.
I just read Humphries articles in the Times. I actually used to like his writing when I first started reading them, but now he really does seem to be very bitter. From the sentiment of his articles, he takes as many jabs at the FAI as he could and he almost seems to be disappointed that we got our act together and appointed an excellent coach. I wish he'd **** off and just write about sports that he likes.
I just read that article now and I see a totally different slant. If anything he has a slight dig at his fellow journalists for concentrating on the Denis O Brien issue and the fact that most of them were ****ed off that it was a professional appointment done in a proper manner. In the article he praises the FAI for a job well done. He points out that JP Mc Manus gives money to Limerick and nobody bats an eyelid.
Maybe give the article another read because I feel you may have missed his point. But I could be wrong here.
That batted my eyelid alright, JP won't touch Limerick FC/37 with a barge pole, let alone give us money. There's O'Briens first lie for you lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Anyway just showed a female co-worker a picture of Trappatoni and her response was, 'it's no wonder he won't be living over here, the cold would kill him off at his age' :D
Well she is an ignorant girl cause I don't think we get the same level of coldness as they do in Salzburg or Milan so it shows what she knows.
Also JP Mc Manus is allowed to put money into the GAA and not put it into the LOI if he likes. Its a free world and he does not have to put money. The point is that there seems to be one rule for the GAA here and one rule for the FAI which is fair play for the GAA receiving money from Mc Manus but how dare the FAI recieve money from the FAI. It is terrible that it took a GAA journalist to point this out to his other journalists.
Oh by the way it was Tom Humphries that said that and not O Brien, so no lie there from O Brien.
Then how the hell is she working alongside me here at Met Eireann!!!??? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
One's amateur, the other's professional, even if it is hard to tell at times, there's the differenceQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Alright Tom Humphries is a lying scumbag instead of O'Brien :)Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Tardelli was an amazing player. This just keeps getting better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr. Ogba
I wonder will he keep on Mick Byrne for the hugs?
Well if anybody is prepared to say to me that we get get colder temperatures than Milan or Salzburg they are living in cloud cuckoo land.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Again its JP Mc Manus's money and he can do what he wants with it. We may wish for more people to invest in LOI but we dont have the right to demand it.
So lying scumbag now is that really an appropriate term for what Humphries said and I would reckon he was talking about the journalist fraternity rather than every human being on earth when he said nobody batted an eyelid. I would think your comments are a bit OTT here.
Dolan's comments mean nothing. It's laughable. He's achieved nothing and he comes out criticisng world class coaches. He's not fit to lace the mans bootsQuote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Trap must have told Tardelli that he'll have a significant role to play.
"I like the idea of being for Giovanni what Carlos Queiroz is for Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United."
It's great that we got Tardelli, another man whom has had success at underage level. I thought we'd have to settle for someone slightly second rate after Gentile turned us down, but Trapattoni seems intent on getting a fantastic (world class?) back up team in place, something was severely lacking under the last regime.
Agreed. Someone that has previously Ronaldo, Seedorf, Blanc, Cordoba, Recoba and others at Inter is going to be on the coaching staff under Trap. He's obviously a respected coach.Quote:
Originally Posted by jmurphyc
Tardelli also has a lot of management experience - Inter, Bari, Arezzo, Egypt, Italy u21's.Quote:
Originally Posted by DotTV
I've no doubts that both Trapattoni & Tardelli will give 100% for Ireland and will bring whole new methods of training, tactics, motivation & focus to the International set up - All of which have been lacking for years.
Just reading what Tardelli said today gives me confidence.
"Giovanni and I have a great desire to do well," Tardelli told an Italian radio station.
"I like the idea of being for Giovanni what Carlos Queiroz is for Sir Alex Ferguson at Manchester United."
I think there is certain to be a place for Brady in the new management team, especially with his Trap & Tardelli links.
Brady confirmed on radio today he is interested in having a role in the team, but not willing to quit his Arsenal job. I'd say we will see him as a training/match-day coach or in some role anyway.
Well Hughton was the assistant at Spurs and the assistant at Ireland so it can easily be done. Yeah I reckon he will be a coach in the new set up.
Hopefully he'll help get the Italian staff familiarised with the Irish players, and how best to use them. Right wingers on the right wing, left fulls at left full and other such innovations
Was just listening to Jason McAteer talk about Trappatoni on TV3.
He basically said that Venables would have been his choice as he would know the Irish "culture" more than Trap.
Said that he would worry about Trappatoni's appointment due to not knowing what playing for Ireland is "all about" and his man management wouldn't be as good as a result. Playing for Ireland is more than "just football".
Is it just the cynic in me, or does all that sound like Trappatoni won't let them go on the **** and take them for burgers and chips afterwards with Mick Byrne, therefore the craic won't be as good when they come over to Dublin??
If so, I think it is a sad indictment of how playing for Ireland is viewed by the players.
All of the players need to decide what they want, a fun time or success. If they dont want to work for success then they should follow Steve FinnanQuote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
Id agree with you here. Too often the Irish players have wanted to come over here for the week, have the craic and stumble out of Lillies ****ed. The days of this happenning should have ended with Big Jack but it carried on slightly. With Venables i imagined that they wouldhave introduced a dentists chair to Lillies and the players would have been back having the craic. As Dunphy has pointed out, it laughable listening to those in the pro El Tel camp try to punch holes in the Trap appointment. He is echoing the same **** that Stan was spouting out last week, that he wont understand the what the Irish players are about. Complete bull**** and i wish idiots like McAteer would now keep his mouth shut. Aww didums his man didnt get the job, get the **** over it. We have got one of the most decorated managers in world football and im not going to listen to someone try to argue that El bloody Tel would have been a better appointment.Quote:
Originally Posted by sullanefc
I reckon Trap has forgotten more about motivating and captivating upstart millionaire tossers than most managers have ever known. Does McAteer think that Italian footballers are an easy bunch to keep interested?
If these guys aren't excited by this appointment then stuff them. As I said before, are they afraid they may actually learn something?
As for Shay Given wanting Venables, he was nigh on delirious at Keegan's appointment at Newcastle. Says it all.
I dont think there will be a problem and I think the players will be excited about working with such a great manager and having Brady in there will certainly help also.
I've followed this manager search here on foot nearly every day since Stan left and I go away to work for a couple of days with no internet and it all gets finalised! Typical!
Deeeee-lighted though.
Stuff the players and the doom of their week long knee's-ups away from their clubs. I'd say a lot of the younger players will be delighted with this appointment though. Not all will be Johno's and Robbie's disappointed el tels karoke machine will be staying in the cupboard!
Whoever said a few pages back about Kerr always showing up for away games unlike other managers - Too true! I saw him in Prague when he strolled into the strip joint we were in at about 3am, then promptly turned on his heel and legged it after seeing the table full of green jerseys taking up half the place!
Finally,
I kinda feel a significant part of my life is now over now that we have our man. It's been that long!
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Originally Posted by co. down green
I'm sure the coaches will bring 100% commitment to our cause, I worry about the players though. They want their pis-up, their second-rate coach, their unqualified backroom staff, their rubbish training arrangements. Many of the old guard didn't take to Brian Kerr's professional approach, so god only knows how they'll deal with no-nonsense Italians doing it. :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by stuttgart88
They think playing for us is a laugh and a joke. Because as you know, "we're different". :rolleyes:
Am I the only one who has a dreadful feeling that all this might be a dream, and any minute I'm going to wake up to find Patrick Duffy in my shower.
worse still would be to then realise you're not awake at allQuote:
Originally Posted by Bluebeard
I suspect it was subconciously a lack of respect to the previous managers
Stan - who have you ever managed* * - we know he was crap but thats a different matter
Kerr - who in senior football have you ever managed/who did you ever play for ?/won
Macarthy - who have you ever managed/played for/won
If they have no respect for Trapattoni they shouldnt be in the team, WTF have any of them managed teams or won serious honours ? Steve Finnan and he ****ed off.
As was said previously the days of a bit of craic are over, if you want success and all that follows, its a new beginning,if you dont close the door on the way out.
Stan - who have you ever managed* * - we know he was crap but thats a different matter
I'm an Ireland legend who has played for top flight football for practically all my career, and you are?
Kerr - who in senior football have you ever managed/who did you ever play for ?/won
I've won the Youth Worlkd Cup with quite a few of you, do you have alzheimers?
Macarthy - who have you ever managed/played for/won
I was one the most respected Irish captains, and you are?
would have been the answers to the Irish players who bar Steve Finnan and Damien Duff had done little in their own careers, trophy wise, I feel
In today's Irish News Brian Kerr says the whole process was about the RTE panel !
“A lot of what’s been going on seems to have been suiting the RTE panel, which is very worrying. The only one who hasn’t had a job in the process is Dunphy, Who’s been clapping like a seal at the Trapattoni possibilities There’s an element of ‘let’s satisfy the RTE panel and they mightn’t criticise us as much.”
“While there is great celebration about his appointment, people better accept that they’re going to be watching defensive football. They need not expect it to be all nice and flowery and us playing 4-4-2.”
He then goes on to say the appointment was a good one and has a dig about the selection process.