Paul McShane

He has gone from being the Messiah to the worst center back ever to play for Ireland :confused:

I think what the boy needs is at least one season in the Championship. He may be our new Gary Breen always suspect in the Premier League ( remember his West Ham nightmare ) but always reliable for Ireland ( even if 5 million people simultaneously say a silent prayer when the ball goes in his direction ) .

McShane is still young, next season will tell a lot about him.

After pretty much every Ireland game that Mick McCarthy or Gary Breen played in I would smile and say 'We got away with it again!' I don't think I was alone in thinking that. :D

After pretty much every Ireland game that Mick McCarthy or Gary Breen played in I would smile and say 'We got away with it again!' I don't think I was alone in thinking that. :D[/QUOTE]

surely funny quote of the month!!! when did ireland ever get away with having gary breen at centre half for ireland???..at his best he was attrocious..easily the worst centre half ive ever seen play for ireland and to compare mcshane[who is fairly average,but at least put in 1 or 2 decent performances for ireland] to him is baffling

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Originally Posted by cartman

After pretty much every Ireland game that Mick McCarthy or Gary Breen played in I would smile and say 'We got away with it again!' I don't think I was alone in thinking that. :D

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surely funny quote of the month!!! when did ireland ever get away with having gary breen at centre half for ireland???..at his best he was attrocious..easily the worst centre half ive ever seen play for ireland and to compare mcshane[who is fairly average,but at least put in 1 or 2 decent performances for ireland] to him is baffling[/QUOTE]

its actually a pretty fair comparison. They both have at least one moment of total lapse of concentration in every game. McShane's lapses to date have been more frequent and costly than Breens ever were (maybe he was just luckier).

But it has to be said, Gary Breen was nowhere near the worst centre back to play for us - Butler, Babb, Gary Doherty to name but a few (though Babb was fortunate enough to play alongside the Black Pearl). Im sure there are more. Staunton was poison at CB for a while. Breen, a good servant and a decent player.

surely funny quote of the month!!! when did ireland ever get away with having gary breen at centre half for ireland???..at his best he was attrocious..easily the worst centre half ive ever seen play for ireland and to compare mcshane[who is fairly average,but at least put in 1 or 2 decent performances for ireland] to him is baffling[/quote]

you obviously didnt see the 2002 World Cup where Breen was outstanding

Gary Breen was a much better player than McShane.

You're saying that now because McShane is at a low ebb at club level.

All I'm saying is that Breen usually played above himself at the international level, sure he was responsible for some goals, what center-back isn't but largely he got away with it.

Have some of you guys ever seen Ireland play while sober? I wonder somethimes.

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Originally Posted by Qwerty

Have some of you guys ever seen Ireland play while sober? I wonder somethimes.

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Dead grannies and now turning up to matches drunk jeez.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Gary Breen was a much better player than McShane.

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Unbelievable that anyone can think other than this. It was always fashionable to bash Breen, but we should not let that prejudice get in the way of the facts.

I reckon McShane could still turn into a good player for us. His confidence is at an all time low. Some papers recently have been linking him with a return to West Brom which could be a good move for him. He'd be back somewhere the fans and management appreciated him. The policy at Sunderland seems to be to go out and buy new players every time someone plays badly - hardly great for confidence building.

McShane blasts Keane
By Daniel McDonnell


Friday May 23 2008

PAUL McSHANE has revealed his anger and frustration at being excluded from the Sunderland first team by Roy Keane.

The Wicklow native has effectively been out of the picture at the Stadium of Light since January and there has been speculation that Keane could sell him this summer after some high-profile errors during his time in the side.

However, McShane feels that he deserves another chance, and is exasperated that his passionate training-ground efforts have not been rewarded by Keane who played him just once -- at right back in a 2-0 defeat to Newcastle -- in the final four months of the season.

"I have done everything, I have out-trained everybody, out performed everybody, so what can you do?" said McShane.

"I've been ripping people's heads off. It's just not nice being out of the team, it's hard to take.

Determined

"It's a hard thing to sit on the bench every week or even the stand every week when you are giving it your all. The only thing I was short of doing was ripping my heart out of my chest and giving it to him."

Despite that, McShane is determined to stick around and fight for his Sunderland future in the summer rather than seek a move away.

"I'm just taking it bit by bit and, next season, I will start fresh. I want to stay at the club and I think I can play there every week. I'm going to stay there and see what happens."

The 22-year-old is now looking to rebuild his reputation and drill a point home to Keane by impressing for Ireland -- if given the opportunity -- in tomorrow's friendly with Serbia at Croke Park and the clash with Colombia in London next Thursday.

"I think the games can have an effect on the Sunderland situation," he stresses. "Everything you do in football is judged, so I think these games are a good opportunity to play and just get a few games in."

No doubt Keane was more concerned at the catalogue of errors made in competitive games than the benefits of ripping peoples heads off in training.

The real worry here is that he can't see it himself, this increases the risk that he won't make it.

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Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia

No doubt Keane was more concerned at the catalogue of errors made in competitive games than the benefits of ripping peoples heads off in training.

The real worry here is that he can't see it himself, this increases the risk that he won't make it.

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Id look at it from the point of view that its that sort of determination that will help him to eventually prove himself.I really do believe when he gets better at reading the game with experience he will be a good player, Kenny Cunningham wasnt very quick but the older he got the better he got

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Originally Posted by Paul McShane

" The only thing I was short of doing was ripping my heart out of my chest and giving it to him."

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Perhaps he should try this. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

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Originally Posted by Qwerty

McShane blasts Keane
By Daniel McDonnell


Friday May 23 2008

PAUL McSHANE has revealed his anger and frustration at being excluded from the Sunderland first team by Roy Keane.

The Wicklow native has effectively been out of the picture at the Stadium of Light since January and there has been speculation that Keane could sell him this summer after some high-profile errors during his time in the side.

However, McShane feels that he deserves another chance, and is exasperated that his passionate training-ground efforts have not been rewarded by Keane who played him just once -- at right back in a 2-0 defeat to Newcastle -- in the final four months of the season.

"I have done everything, I have out-trained everybody, out performed everybody, so what can you do?" said McShane.

"I've been ripping people's heads off. It's just not nice being out of the team, it's hard to take.

Determined

"It's a hard thing to sit on the bench every week or even the stand every week when you are giving it your all. The only thing I was short of doing was ripping my heart out of my chest and giving it to him."

Despite that, McShane is determined to stick around and fight for his Sunderland future in the summer rather than seek a move away.

"I'm just taking it bit by bit and, next season, I will start fresh. I want to stay at the club and I think I can play there every week. I'm going to stay there and see what happens."

The 22-year-old is now looking to rebuild his reputation and drill a point home to Keane by impressing for Ireland -- if given the opportunity -- in tomorrow's friendly with Serbia at Croke Park and the clash with Colombia in London next Thursday.

"I think the games can have an effect on the Sunderland situation," he stresses. "Everything you do in football is judged, so I think these games are a good opportunity to play and just get a few games in."

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McShane is a very limited player, and a little hot headed in training this coupled with his lack of ability can cause problems.
The botom line is he has been found out, he wasn't wanted at WBA who got lucky when Sunderland foolishly bid for him.

Now Sunderland are looking to off load him, the biggest surprise is that the likes of DG still push for him to be included for Ireland, then again, DG was instrumental in bringing Bruce into the fold too!

These players may get away with it against the lesser teams but will fall way short should they come up against any players or teams with pace and skill.

They both struggle in their respective leagues against these type of players now, so how can anyone responsible for the selection of the Ireland squad pick these players and then expect them to do any better at international level!

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Originally Posted by the doc

McShane is a very limited player, and a little hot headed in training !

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........ & in football games generally

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Originally Posted by osarusan

Perhaps he should try this. I mean, what's the worst that could happen?

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:D made me laugh!!!

Well he proved many of us right with this display.He is not an international player and will never be. Sean St Ledger needs to be drafted in for Thursday as i really dont want to sit and watch this guy play again for another 2 minutes not to mind 90.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

Well he proved many of us right with this display.He is not an international player and will never be. Sean St Ledger needs to be drafted in for Thursday as i really dont want to sit and watch this guy play again for another 2 minutes not to mind 90.

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I think he's probably not ready yet, but he could be in a few years. Whilst his play for the goal was very stupid - and that's something I've noticed he does on a regular basis - as well as a good few other incidents, he made some decent contributions in other parts of the game. He's just a player lacking in confidence and could yet grow in to a decent centre back in a few years time.

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

I think he's probably not ready yet, but he could be in a few years. Whilst his play for the goal was very stupid - and that's something I've noticed he does on a regular basis - as well as a good few other incidents, he made some decent contributions in other parts of the game. He's just a player lacking in confidence and could yet grow in to a decent centre back in a few years time.

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He may very well do so but he has to learn his trade from somewhere and to be honest I don’t know what team is going to give him that opportunity. He wont get it at Sunderland either. I just think he is too unpredictable even with a confidence boost.

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Originally Posted by FarBeag

He may very well do so but he has to learn his trade from somewhere and to be honest I don’t know what team is going to give him that opportunity. He wont get it at Sunderland either. I just think he is too unpredictable even with a confidence boost.

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It's not a confidence boost he needs it's a talent boost.

The Bulgarian's and especially the Italian's will exploit a player like McShane ruthlessly. At the moment he is a train wreck and can't be in the team.

When McShanes is mentioned in a match report, its usually followed by the word 'mistake'
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Originally Posted by Condex

When McShanes is mentioned in a match report, its usually followed by the word 'mistake'
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:D:D He's a walking mistake

McShane unfortunetly is not progressing the way people hoped - he is just a good championship player now and thats playing at right back.

Shouldnt be any were near the Irish X1 unless we have a spate load of injuries.

Obviously McShane was at fault for the goal on Saturday but I think I'm right in saying that if Delaney had been on line with Dunne and Kelly then the goalscorer would have been caught offside. McShane obviously shouldn't have assumed that would be the case (since he himself wasn't on line) and he tried to be too clever. Like Dunne, he's going to be less error prone as he gets older and hopefully we'll get to see him fulfill his huge potential.

Good to see that Trap rates McShane. There's loads of players that have put in 1 or 2 incredible performances that I don't rate. McShane is different. Those few fantastic performances that he has put in, imo, is a sign of the player he will become. He has the intelligence unlike those that fail.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Obviously McShane was at fault for the goal on Saturday but I think I'm right in saying that if Delaney had been on line with Dunne and Kelly then the goalscorer would have been caught offside. McShane obviously shouldn't have assumed that would be the case (since he himself wasn't on line) and he tried to be too clever. Like Dunne, he's going to be less error prone as he gets older and hopefully we'll get to see him fulfill his huge potential.

Good to see that Trap rates McShane.:eek: There's loads of players that have put in 1 or 2 incredible performances that I don't rate. McShane is different. Those few fantastic performances that he has put in, imo, is a sign of the player he will become. He has the intelligence unlike those that fail.

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I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

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Originally Posted by the doc

I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

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I'd say Trapattoni rates him for a reason. I trust that he is more knowledgeable on what it takes to be a good player than all of the people who frequent these forums. Besides, McShane won player of the year in two successive seasons at Brighton and West Brom. They might be in the Championship but that is still a commendable achievement.

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Originally Posted by jmurphyc

I'd say Trapattoni rates him for a reason. I trust that he is more knowledgeable on what it takes to be a good player than all of the people who frequent these forums. Besides, McShane won player of the year in two successive seasons at Brighton and West Brom. They might be in the Championship but that is still a commendable achievement.

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Lets see if he still rates him after a few more matches, I doubt it, and most football knowledgeable fans at WBA didn't rate him!

But if he's the type and standard of player you want playing for us, then don't come on here moaning when we fail to qualify.

I think Trapattoni is more knowledgeable than those ''knowledgeable fans at WBA''

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Originally Posted by the doc

But if he's the type and standard of player you want playing for us, then don't come on here moaning when we fail to qualify.

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I don't "want" that standard of player playing for us. I don't think he's ready yet but we just don't have a lot of options at centre back. I wasn't one of the people who was jumping for joy after his game against the Czechs. I could see that he was quite a raw player, and he still is. But I can see the potential in him. I'm trying to look at the player in an objective manner instead of going from he's our saviour to he's the worst player to ever play for us and should never wear the shirt again.

As for Trapattoni "seeing" that he isn't up to it after a few games when you can see that he isn't up to it now, do you honestly believe that you can understand football better than Trapattoni? If you think that, then you're very delusional. If it was Staunton I could understand, but it's not.

I'm not the type of person who will start moaning should we fail, provided we are managed competently. To be honest, I think we'll run it close, but I don't expect us to qualify. I think there are too many factors that go against us. There is, of course, a chance though.

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Originally Posted by the doc

I'd say that is a worry, even Stevie Wonder can see that McShane isn't good enough.

How long before Trapp see's it too? Or is he still listening to the likes of DG?

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What I can't stand about this site is that there is an almost instant judgement made on a player. The boy had a great start for us, got into a hole with his club and has been unfortunate a few times.
I think its hard to see him becoming a top player for us, but I'm not going to rule it out completely.
I don't agree that he's shown as much ability as Richie Dunne did as a youngster, but I don't think he's shown us he's Paul Butler either.

As far as things go I'm willing to trust Trap as long as it takes.

If he stars tonight at least we'll get a laugh out of the match

Kiely kept us in the match in the first half but I thought McShane was easily our best player in the 2nd half. An outstanding 45 minutes from him. He was constantly clearing balls out of the box.

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Originally Posted by eirebhoy

Kiely kept us in the match in the first half but I thought McShane was easily our best player in the 2nd half. An outstanding 45 minutes from him. He was constantly clearing balls out of the box.

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I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul :)

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul :)

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He stuck his head instintively yesterday where some people probably wouldn't even have stuck their feet! I think a tight pitch and a tight game suits him that he can attack the ball on, rather than a slow game with slick passing as he gets found out.

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

I think the Mick McCarthyesque "No Nonsense. Row Z" approach is the way forward for Paul :)

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Yeah, but Trap will no doubt ... "quietly"... point out to our Paul that his methods of clearing the danger tend to put the ball back into the feet of the opposition.

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Originally Posted by amaccann

Yeah, but Trap will no doubt ... "quietly"... point out to our Paul that his methods of clearing the danger tend to put the ball back into the feet of the opposition.

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True - that whole "passing" thing is a trouble area for McShane alright. Any chance he could pick it up and run with it? A few hand passes here and there, maybe. :confused:

They showed Trap walking across the pitch at the end of the game, then looks across and he can be seen mouthing
"McShane , Bravo!"

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Originally Posted by Wolfie

True - that whole "passing" thing is a trouble area for McShane alright. Any chance he could pick it up and run with it? A few hand passes here and there, maybe. :confused:

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I think he just needs to calm down & not play like he's permanently under siege and / or on Coke. He definitely shows the impetuousness of youth in the way he plays & defends. You gotta love his heart in sticking his body into anything, but I just wish he looked around him cos even a simple flat pass across the back would be better than rowZ. Traps comments about staring at the grass spring to mind.

McShane is also a player that Trap feels is really low in confidence. If last night was him playing with low confidence then we've nothing to worry about. ;) In fairness he did look a nervous wreck a couple of times when he got the ball last night. One particular time just at the centre circle he went to play a back pass and the ball got stuck under his feet. I go on about confidence in players all the time so really I can imagine how good Dunne and McShane can be if full of confidence.

amaccann - you really could be describing Puyol there. ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YciOwBodD44
^^ Skinned twice in that clip. McShane's style of play really reminds me of Puyol, without the distribution. Cannavaro too. I bet he made many mistakes at 22 because of his style of play. I'm talking about style of play btw, not ability.