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I honestly think that Hunt did more in the 30 mins he was on the pitch than if another player had come on and stayed on for 60. The shot in the arm it gave the team actually stayed until the end. Prior to his introduction they were limp & lifeless.
I think it was stupid of him not to know the risks of that type of tackle on the continent. He'd have got away with it in England.
We lose :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Didn't think it warranted even a yellow card!
Two-footed, airbourne tackles are sending off offences.
i dunno if i would call it two footed or airbourne.especailly as he attempted to tuck his trailing leg. not that it matters, the card had its effects on the night, deserved or not.
One footed tackle, the leading foot, studs up, no contact with the player, plenty of the ball. The trailing leg was bent back, caught the Czech player and "crippled" him. Centre halves do it all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Would have been considered a good tackle in some quarters.
Wasn't a red card, yellow card or even a foul. Ref bottled it and if his name ever appears on a Irish fixture again we should object.
After watching John O'Shea flute around for a game and a quarter the sight of someone who cares coming on to the pitch is what has most people excited.
Thats got to be one of the most idiotic posts I've read here in over 4 years. To say it wasn't even a foul demonstrates to me that you know absolutely nothing about the game of football. Clown!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Port Saint
Agreed. Worse than the Ireland v Scotland thread.;)Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban
just trying to be different for the sake of it.
Irish fans always want effort. Mageady has ability but his performances over two games were devoid of any effort.
Mob???? your transition from shamrock waver to purist must be complete now...:D
It was a red card simple as that. Hunt is a filthy player who cannot tackle! I think he is a great player but I think he has a bit of a nasty side to his game and every now and again it raises its head. He went to win the ball but the tackle was so bad I dont think the ref could look past a red... However if any of us had the chance to batter one of those diving fecks think we would have done the same and for that he is a HERO. He could have pulled out of the challenge on Cech is choose not to you dont fall to the ground trying to run after a ball. Hew didn mean to hurt him but to "let him know he was there"Quote:
Originally Posted by joeSoap
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Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Your hardly playing a bit of Devils advocate there Neil are ya...:confused:
No he isn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban
In the big scheme of things he has done very little for Ireland.....yet.
Getting sent off for what was an exceedingly stupid and overly aggressive tackle, in a game like that and with a referee like that, was very disappointing.
Heroic :rolleyes:
He really livened Ireland up on the night with his positive and energetic performance and he was exactly what we needed at the time. We did not need him having an early bath.
Hopefully, as someone has mentioned, he will learn from it. He can be a great player for us if he does.
Again trying to **** stirr. You dont know me or know anything about me so you should keep your **** stirring personal comments to yourself please. I have spent hard earned cash going to games for years so how dare you suggest I am some sort of shamrock waving ole oler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
You dont know the motivation for why I started the thread. If the only time you reply on this forum is to stir me up that says more about you than it ever will about me.
Hunt did not give a ****e anymore than any of the guys out there. His style of play is to run around like that and it has done him well in his career. I like him as a player and his introduction gave us better balance. But just when we were coming back into the game, he basically through that away with a stupid and reckless challenge. To me getting send off for a stupid tackle is just as damaging as not tracking back.Quote:
Originally Posted by baileban
Referee was to blame.
No previous yellow card, no persistent fouling, Hunt won the ball (admittedly with studs up, but in the Premiership that's a straightforward yellow only)
The role of the referee should be to ensure that there is a good, fair game between two teams - not to decide the game. That's what that tw*t did
It was hardly a stupid and reckless challenge. He was too committed and followed through with his trailing leg. never a sending off and Andy reid done a much worse tackle a minute later. The referree stupidly gave into the crowd and the czech player that was harrassing him. Alos maybe im alone on this but i think starting hunt would have had a major psycological effect on Cech. if i was the manager i would pbviously have started Hunt, and told him that whenever there was a set piece to stand right under cech's nose and look him in the eys, but say nothing. im actually serious about this, i think that would have been a very good ploy on our part. Simply put to say he let down the country is absurd. If thats the case Mcgeady let down the whole country in the two matches for playing like a Suunday League footballerQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
I agree McGeady was terrible and should not have started either of the matches to be honest. Hunt gives far more going back and forward than Mc Geady does at this moment in time.
You fell for his wind up :rolleyes:
As for Hunt's tackle, the referee doesn't get to see slow motions. When I first saw it I thought it would be red. The slow motion shows he got the ball so no, he didn't let his country down as he shouldn't have been given a red. No harm in letting the opposition know they can't dally on the ball. If it had been a two footed jump and he got sent off, yes it would have been stupid and he would have let the country down by being sent off.
Hunt is pretty much a hit and miss player in his dribbles but is certainly more effective than McGeady. Incidentally, I don't agree that the latter doesn't try. He's just not very good at what he tries. When we needed to keep the ball in the first 30 minutes, instead of a simple pass he'd either fall over trying something or fail to beat two players and lose possession.
[QUOTE=OwlsFan;773532]You fell for his wind up :rolleyes:
Well if that is all he has to offer this forum.
bin this thread its a disgrace.......
Why bin it, cause you dont agree with it.
no because it wasnt a red card offense, so he wasnt in the wrong so if he wasnt in the wrong how was he a disgrace? its like saying the guildford 4 were a disgrace to the country for being wrongly imprisoned for a crime they didnt commit...!!!
Worst enalogy ever on this forum?Quote:
Originally Posted by citizenerased
FWIW I thought he deserved to go and I think he's a dirty scummy little player. Constantly winding up opposition, leaving the boot in, throwing elbows and pulling jersies etc etc. He's also a damn fine player and way ahead of any other Irish midfielder in performance terms in England. (I think one or two may be more talented)
Did he let his country down? No, but he was still stupid for deliberately following through with his non tackling foot. And make no mistake, it was very deliberate
Of course it was deliberate as he has done it a number of times in the Premiership. Citizen it is a matter of opinion whether it was a red card or not. I respect your opinion that you thought it was not. I think it was so does the ref and so does Dodge and a few others. Probably more think it was not a red but it is not fact it is opinion for us all.
I'd dispute the "deliberate" contention. I actually thought he withdrew his trailing leg.
I haven't seen it since it happened but that was the impression I had at the time.
It wasnt even a foul in my book just a good hard first time challenge which he clearly got the ball with his left foot and he actually held back his right foot but obviously momentum brought him through. Petr Cech even said it was not even a foul. How can the lad have let the country down when it was the czech players and weak refereeing that got him sent off ? If the players on pitch had shown the desire in the 20 or so mins hunt was on for the first 2 games we would not have had any problems . Yes the game is not all about commitment and passion but it makes a hell of a difference if you give 100% and make things happen like Hunt does. Hunt would have made a huge difference in Bratislava and Prague and how some on here can blame him shows the idiots we have supporting Ireland. Not the most talented footballer in the squad but if the other 10 on the field showed his character and determination we would be sitting pretty behind Germany in the group now.
Thats what I thought as well. He pulled back his foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
I would reckon that it shows the idiots we have supporting Ireland when he is a hero after less than 90 mins for Competitive football for Ireland whereas our top goalscorer of all time is abused from a height. However I am not prepared to go down the road of calling anybody on here an idiot on here as I believe its beneath both me the forum and the person that I abuse. Form is temporary and class is permanent in my book.Quote:
Originally Posted by zinedineontour
no, i do not feel he let his country down. The facts of the matter are this. He has been having an exceptional season in england, and is one of the few reading players performing over the first series of games. He deserved a run out against slovakia, didn't get it. He deserved to start agains the czechs based on the poor performance of Mcgeady against slovakia a few days earlier. He was only given a shot when Stan had no other choice. I have watched the tackle at least 15 times since it occured, and I can tell you there was far worse in the first 20 minutes of blackburn / chelsea on saturday. It was disgraceful to send him off, but the ref got the itch from the crowd, and played to the czech mob. mc'shane's tackle on baros was more deserving of a straight red if you think about it. Hunt gave us life in croker against slovakia, and also when he came on agains wales, anyone can see the impact he had on the crowd, and the team when he was introduced in those games. People are slamming him for inadequate performance in meaningless friendlies. Give the guy a chance. You cant have all his hunger and desire and passion on an "as needed basis" - the guy is 110% effort, and no one can argue with that. He most certainly did not let his country down. I dont think any of the players let their country down, as i think they all meant well as far as effort was concerned. O'shea and McGeady let themselves down with poor performances own over the course of the 2 games.
well if you are such a rabid Ireland supporter surely that makes you an idiot no?Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
as has been pointed out a million times already on this thread...people admire the effort he puts in. nobody thinks he is the most skillful player ever but at a time when so many players commitment is in question(none more so than our "record goalscorer") its nice for the fans to see players who obviously want to play. You might think that going to all the matches lends your opinions weight but if you dont know anything bout football to begin with going to a million ireland matches wont help ya!
:confused: N'est pas possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by billybunter
I thought it was a bad challenge when I first saw it. It's ok for us to comment after we see the slow motion. Ref only gets one look at it. Would you be moaning at the ref if McShane had scored after Dunne had blatantly fouled Czech?
I dont believe that going to all the games give me any more weight at all. Its the drink that does that. If you believe that I know nothing about football well then fair enough thats your opinion. But at least I debate football on this forum and not just try to rise people and be the hurler on the ditch and be the cynic. I for one dont think that commitment is a problem with this IRish team one bit. Robbie Keane was breaking his balls out there covering for Hunt for the last half hour or so. It may have been misguided running and the team may be a shambles but I feel anybody who knows anything about football could cleary see that effort was not what this Irish team is lacking. Its a lazy criticism used by people who do not understand the game and think running with the ball is the only effort you can give. Football is much more complex than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
I also dont believe I am a rabid fan whatsover. I go to the games both home and away and go to see Bohemians. No big deal thats what I do and I enjoy it.
What I dont understand is how Hunt has been raised to almost hero like statuds when he cost us a chance to get back in the game. I like him as a player and I think he should start ahead of McGeady in future but I am not going to go with the mob and put him on a pedestal. After the game the Irish fans sang many songs and it was quite good to get the game out of our system etc(not that it worked). Hunt had songs sung about him time and time again. To me the real hero of the 2 games was Richard Dunne. Hunt is a decent player but what I am having ago against is the almost instant herofication ( a new word there) of Stephen Hunt.
Yep that’s my opinionQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Mmmm bit at odds with your “Did Stephen Hunt let his country Down” and your “Irish fans are idiots” comments….….Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
But in every match of this campaign so far apart from at home against San Marino he has failed to do the job he is on the pitch for….score goals. Hunt was sent off. This happens in football. The team adjusts its game accordingly. Compare Keanes huff and puff to Doyles intelligent play. If you had one chance and one chance only in a game you would back doyle everytime over Keane to score itQuote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
again yep!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
mmmmmm maybe this applies to some players after the sending off….Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Eh no. football is quite simple. Anyone who watched the game can draw their own conclusions. The world doesn’t lose out on many Nobel Prize winners to football!Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
your not. And nobody would be bothered by your new found love of bohs if ya didn’t spend most of your pre – bsc posts giving out about EL fans superiority complexs….:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
Cause in the land of the blind Neil, the one eyed man is king………Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
[QUOTE=Billsthoughts;774165
your not. And nobody would be bothered by your new found love of bohs if ya didn’t spend most of your pre – bsc posts giving out about EL fans superiority complexs….:rolleyes:
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I am sorry it is bothering you but I am sure you will get over it. Also not sure where you are getting the BSC thing from.
What I gave out about what the snobbish attitude some EL fans had towards those that did not attend the League of Ireland. I have sinced found out from going to games over the last 2 years or so that this is a minority and most people are welcoming to people going to games on a regular basis and you cant beat regular live football. My only criticism before was of people who looked down on those who did not have an opportunity to support a League of Ireland team week in week out. I never slagged the League and would always have had an interest and gone every so often. Not sure where you are going with the BSC thing either. I like to deal in facts you on the other hand like to deal with personal agendas and been personal and spiteful in your attacks on me and others. If that is your agenda fair enough but I on the other hand like to talk about football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
like yours on Stephen Hunt? :confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by NeilMcD
This to me is as good as a summary on him and a reply as you will get on this thread. It was one of the only fouls where we the viewer got to see exactly what was going on as a result of the camera angle and the positioning of the two players.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
As soon as he turned in the direction of the ball I thought to myself "he's going to do Polak", and he did. The worst thing thing about it was that Polak didn't even have the ball! It was open play. IMO he deserved the Red card, there was no need for him to dive as he's nippy enough anyway. I do like him and think he will add a lot to the 'cause' but what he did was definitely reckless.
I like Stephen Hunt and I think he is a good player but like Dodge I feel he has a nasty side to his game that has an impact on his football and as a result it led to him getting sent off. Not personal at all as I dont know the guy. I deal in footballing issues and I believe his tackles and overly aggressive and sometimes nasty side is a drawback as well as a virtue for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Billsthoughts
When I hear the phrase "letting one's country down" I tend to think of massive tax fraud or selling nuclear secrets, not so much a mistimed tackle on a football pitch. Perspective anyone?
Its a football forum, of course it was meant in a footballing context. I would have thought that was obvious.