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i never said they did, i assume you are talking to mon_cutie there. kerry did enough to win it.
btw did anyone hear whelan say " we had to do a job against derry and we did that job" . it annoys me on two fronts using soccer parlance in gaelic and the fact they were obviouslly being cocky in that they had one eye in the semi-final. I heard that out of context so maybe it was meant in terms of the second half but if not its not on.
It's the commentators who drive me demented with their cute expressions, strangely enough it's the soccer commentator, Maloney, who does the best commentary.
All credit to Mon they deserved to win but have to say i thought Kerry were poor on the day (Cooper and Russell come to mind) they seemed to be lumping the ball again and again into the box hoping for it to break to one of their players, only when they started taking their points in the last 10 mins did they take the lead. Still its a sign of a good team if they played like that and still beat a very good Monaghan side, acually there was periods of the Munster final were they were poor aswell but i think the fact they didnt panic and their experience and confidence have seen them through.
Thats just the opinion of someone who aint mad about the sport tbh:)
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
yeah i agree 100% with that
Kerry actually played very well in the last 10 mins.....when they were under pressure........as they always do when they have to play
otherwise they are like galway and Cork, in that they cant be ar sed to play unless they are under extreme pressure, which they werent really
But fair play to Monaghan they played well, and im sure they will be around again
still think Kerry will win the all ireland:)
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yeah i agree 100% with that
...oh look a blue moon, oh and theirs a pig flying.....;)
I would just like to point out, poor consolation I know,
Vincent Corey was player of the month last month and this month the accolade went to Tommy Freeman.
Tommy had taken off a cast on his arm in order to play on Sunday.
Not to mention the burly Rory Woods, awarded the MOM on Sunday.
A scrap of comfort in the recognition.
i think thats complete bull everybody saying dublin are having bad patches in games. no team can possibly dominate a game for a full 70 minutes. Sure didnt monaghan lead kerry 1-2 to 0-1. if that was dublin everybdy would have been sh1teing on about how dublin had drifted out of a game once again. i dont buy any of that bull.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
Thanks pal, guess you'll keep the ticket for yourself seeing as we're now your adopted county!;)Quote:
Originally Posted by mon_cutie07
Not sure if you actually watched the game on Saturday but with about 10 minutes to go Dublin led by 0-18 to 0-11. They let Derry back into the game by conceding the last four points of the game. In that same period, Eoin Bradley forced two great saves from Stephen Cluxton and Barry Cahill blocked a goal bound effort from Paddy Bradley. A game Dublin should have had wrapped up, they could have easily lost.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rovers fan
You might also remember last year's semi-final against Mayo, when Dublin led by 7 points after 45 minutes. 10 minutes later they were 1 point down after Mayo scored 1-5 without Dublin scoring. Dublin lost.
When Dublin played Tyrone in the League in the first floodlight game at Croke Park back in February, at half time, after 35 minutes Dublin were 0-7 to 0-2 ahead, after 55 minutes they were 0-9 to 0-8 down. Tyrone got 6 of the last 7 points scored. Dublin lost.
If those three examples are not bad patches, fading out of a game or switching off or whatever you want to call it, then I don't know what is.
Like it or not, Dublin have a tendency to do this. You might think it is 'bull', but if they have any spells like this against Kerry, Dublin will lose.
but you could say the same for any team if you were looking back over the last year or so. mayo 1st half against kerry in all ireland final, galway 2nd half gainst sligo this year. etc etc etc.
I'd agree with Superhoops, Dublin are an exception, when Dublin turn off they go into some dead zone. It's inexplicable, one long period they are supreme, game won no question, then some form of paralysis sets in.
The 2 certainties about recent GAA championships, the Dublin dormant phase and a Mayo AIF performance.
I'd expect that the Kerry game plan has to change with Donaghy, possibly play a role like O'Rourke effectivly did for Meath against Tyrone.
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Originally Posted by Monkfish
hmm maybe, maybe not, have to see what happens!!;)
adopted? wouldnt go that far:p
I don't think Saturday's performance is comparable to Dublin collapses in previous years. 7 points down with 10 minutes left, Derry always needed a goal, and the fact that they had earlier been unable to convert two good chances didn't help their case. Moreover, Dublin showed both this weekend and during the Leinster final that they are excellent at defending their goal.
I suppose it could have backfired, but you never really got the feeling that Dublin were going to lose this one; it was always more of a case of job done, wind down.
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
funny, but really it was that good:)
Was it really? Tell that to the screaming Dubs sitting beside me who couldn't watch when Derry had the goal chances at the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
I'm not sure you can describe a team who were only one blocked goal chance away from not winning it as having "the job done".
The game SHOULD'VE been over, but Dublin's inherent psychological flaws mean't that they nearly cocked it up.
Typical post-fact rationalisation....
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The game SHOULD'VE been over, but Dublin's inherent psychological flaws mean't that they nearly cocked it up.
Typical post-fact rationalisation....
or arrogance? ;)
On a different tack did anyone notice the Monaghan player laughing & pushing Donaghy twice when he shot wide of the goal in the 2nd half. Had a wry smile on my face thinking of the headlines if a Dub had the temerity to do that.
Certainly not arrogance; I've been watching the Dubs far too long to feel arrogant about them. The fact is, they won by 3 pulling up. Yes, they tuned out towards the end, but that was at least in part due to Caffrey making a rake of subs. Why did he do this? Because the game was won.
Mayo last year was very different--their comeback started with goals (similarly the disastrous second half start against Kildare in the Leinster final back a few years ago). Those goals rattled Dublin.
Now if Derry had taken one of their earlier goal chances, Dublin would probably not have had a 7 point lead going into the last ten, and we would have seen a very different last few minutes (of course, if we hadn't had that lead, we wouldn't have switched off...). But Derry didn't take those chances, and they just weren't going to come back into the game.
In any event, I think this whole "switching off" will be irrelevant come Sunday week, as Dublin only switch off when they have a big lead, and it's highly unlikely that they'll find themselves in any such situation in the semi.
By the way, ORA, you must be looking forward to a handy day out on Sunday, since, as you mentioned earlier in the thread, Leinster football is muck.
Ulster football is also muck, and has been for the last few years since Armagh and Tyrone started to decline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
Difference is that you didn't get any Derry fans labouring under the impression we were world beaters. QF was as far as we deserved and we got there and came away with a respectable result.
You've had 3 handy provincial championships in a row and have done nothing of note, despite having a ridiculous home advantage in almost every game (still complaining about being made to go to Longford?).
Face it, the Dubs recent record is pitiful.
I actually like the football Dublin play when they are on form, very fast paced and good to watch, but I still think Caffrey is a poor tactician and the psychological backbone is missing from a lot of the players.
Go ahead and win Sam and prove me wrong!
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Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Any Dublin fan who knows anything about the game will admit that Dublin's recent record is bad (2 wins in 24 years); pitiful seems a bit strong. We've only missed the quarters once since 2000, and are facing our third semi. We've been beaten only by the teams who, between them, have contested every final for the last five years (Armagh, Tyrone, Kerry, Mayo).
I would agree that Caffrey is questionable (moving Ryan out of m/f against Mayo last year and putting him in the back line essentially lost us the game), but I think he is getting better. He had to make positional changes in both the last two games, when (respectively) Laois and Derry started well against us. He reacted well.
btw, I'd love to know who are these Dubs who allegedly complain about going to games outside of Dublin? Everyone I know loves the day out.
When a team like Derry perform the way they have been performing for years it's only natural that your supporters have minimal expectations.
It's a valid point though that competitive teams from recent years like Laois, Westmeath, Mayo, Galway, Armagh and Tyrone have dropped off the pace.
Marked Man, Dublin so far have done what was expected and did it handy enough. It's just that with all that dominance in the game against Derry and they were pulling up, Paddy Bradley a crafty class act, had a chance that 9/10 he would have put away.
I'm easy either way in this game but I expect the Kerry front line to show no such mercy in front of goal.
I hope it is a cracker.
" i cant make the semi final, but i hope to be off for the all ireland final".. john o shea in last sundays star!!Quote:
Originally Posted by noby
waterford and kilkenney final... michael duignan
"every man woman and child will hope waterford go on and beat kilkenney and win the all ireland".... gerald macarthy
it makes last sunday all the sweeter!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and to those of little faith in limerick who didnt travel to thurles and gaelic grounds in may, stay at home now again for the all ireland again please... so as not to hog the disgarceful amount of tickets distributed to the county board!!
I think you have this wrong. In the game against Dublin last year Mayo only scored one goal (final score was 1-16 to 2-12).Quote:
Originally Posted by Marked Man
At half time Mayo led 0-9 to 1-5. After five minutes of the second half, Dublin scored 1-4 without reply to lead by 2-9 to 0-9. Mayo got a point, then Dublin got 2 points to lead by seven points with only 10 minutes of the second half gone.
Then in a 10 minute spell, Dublin went comatose and Mayo scored 1-5 without Dublin scoring to lead by a point. Alan Brogan equalised for Dublin and from the kick-out McDonald got what proved to be the winning point for Mayo. That point by Brogan was Dublin's only score in the last 25 minutes.
Sorry, confused myself in that paragraph. I was thinking of the two games I mentioned (Kildare, Mayo) and the goals in those games. Didn't mean to say that Mayo scored more than one goal; only that Dublin collapses in big games have typically started with goals conceded.Quote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
I still have that DVD of Mayo/Dublin last year!!! Just a pity we met Kerry in the final.....
just a pity "we" werent good enough to beat the best. as usual.
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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
Ye could have met a Junior B team and lost. Woeful would be a compliment
How wrong can you get. :oQuote:
Originally Posted by Superhoops
An embarrasing day for Leinster Football. The only hope now is that Dublin put one over on Kerry. I am not that confident they will. :(
It would be a poor reflection on GAA football if the All-Ireland final ends up being a repeat of the Munster final. You could just about stomach it in hurling but in football, desperately sad.
The thought of it is made even worse with the SKY fixtures that day, sh*te games; Watford v Southampton and Man.City v Villa :eek:
I hope Dublin beat Kerry.
Just so we are not subjected to another Cork Kerry match.
i had a feeling cork would give meath a bit of a walloping. the likes of stephen bray couldnt keep playing the way they were. the cork midfield is superb.
I don't see that result as any bit of a surprise. Meath were vastly over rated from beating a dying Galway team and a flat Tyrone side. Cork were physically too strong, fast and fit for them to compete with
Having said that, Kerry would beat us again. Hoping for a Dublin-Cork final now
I was hoping Waterford would win last week, if only Dan the Man had scored I think he would've hit his stride. Oh well, my heart wasn't set on it anyway
Kind of happy that Cork won, i think they are a decent team, with a great midfield, but they only really play as good or as bad as their opposition
At least Cork put it up to Meath in the physical stakes, and you just knew Meath werent upto it when you see Geraghty falling to the ground very lamely rather than hit back, jesus he looked like a frightened kitten
Thats what Tyrone should have done. In their game they only did 2 shoulder charges in the whole game!!!! Instead they did the usual Ulster dancing and dragging around the opponent
all set for a Cork-Kerry final, here's hoping anyway
I hope Cork win it, yesterdays hammering surprised me.
You are assuming that teams perform with consistancy.Quote:
Meath were vastly over rated from beating a dying Galway team and a flat Tyrone side
The simple explanation is that Meath played very well against a reasonably competititve Tyrone team and were flat against a very good Cork performance.
whats that when its at home?Quote:
You are assuming that teams perform with consistancy.
Didnt see much of it, but about the last 10 mins and have to say both teams looked very poor, but im sure Cork knew they had done enough at that stage. Was very suprised by this. was expecting a dublin v meath final, now im expecting a kerry v cork final.
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Originally Posted by geysir
I assumed nothing other than their previous performances were overrated due to their opposition. Thanks for the "simple" breakdown though, very informative
Any bit of analysis of the game would show that Meath played a lot better against Tyrone than they did against Cork. That if they had put in a similar performance on Sunday there would have been a competitive game against Cork.
I think Cork would still have beaten a Meath on their best form.
Meath were 4/6, not exactly overdog odds.
Cork were underrated, but at odds of 11/8 not underwhelming.
In GAA, overated was Kerry at 1/6 to beat Monaghan.
Meath were ****.Why did I bother going?