Well, unless we play them in a WCF we'll never prove it...Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
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Well, unless we play them in a WCF we'll never prove it...Quote:
Originally Posted by French Toasht
Up another spot to 18th, our highest ranking in 7 years. Trap out!
http://www.irishtimes.com/sports/soc...314621951.html
And on May 9th ... we will still be 18th
We're going nowhere under this man.
Think we will still be 18th on the 6th of June .......
No matter what happens against Hungary?
Switzerland, with whom we're even, will surely have done well out of beating Germany 5-3.
Depends Danny. Are you out? I'll do the calls later but ill probably score. Footballrankings.infoQuote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
It's just shocking to look at where Norway are now considering where they were ranked for the WC draw. Bullplop!
Thats precisely my gripe with how the WC draw was made. Norway's 1st seeding for the World Cup was purely down to the fact that they started the campaign well, but failed to take into account the qualification campaign as a whole. If UEFA had not broke from tradition and carried out the WC qualification draw when they normally do after the previous campaign ends then we wouldn't have ended up with the nightmare group we now face for Brazil.Quote:
Originally Posted by BonnieShels
Exactly. But wasn't there a reason for that? Something to do with other Confederations needing to start earlier for one reason or another.
It was all FIFA nothing to do with UEFA.
True Danny .... but France i think are losing to Iceland (1-2 but not over)....so Switzerland go above us and France below us ...... still 18th?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
France are just after equalising there.
Edit: And have just gone 3-2 ahead two minutes later.
19th so .....Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
June 6th ..... we still be 18th placed but we are up 907pts ..... first time in a while we broke 900 points
4th July — we've dropped 8 places to 26th in the world. Even more surprisingly, England have climbed to 4th in the world. Their strong showing in the group stages of Euro 2012 must have earned them all those points.
Spain 1, Italy 6 and Croatia 9. Now, that'd give some consolation except that England's no. 4 shows just how off the mark these rankings can be!
Bit of a harsh drop that, considering who beat us and how we crawled into that position, but guess that what happens when we don't take any scalps.
Elo ratings have us in 31st: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_F...Top_60_ranking
puts us behind Turkey, Switzerland and Norway, none of whom qualified for the finals.
Who said we were better off not qualifying? :)
Seems harsh for croatia to drop a place when they only lost 1-0 to spain.
The score is not factored into ranking points.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Number of ranking points awarded to Croatia after their 1-0 loss to Spain: 0.
Number of ranking points awarded to Ireland after their 4-0 loss to Spain: 0.
They dropped a place because the Netherlands climbed 4 places, ending up one place above Croatia.
The Netherlands, who lost all 3 games.
In retrospect it would have been better for many reasons had we drawn a difficult team in the playoffs and not qualified. This tournament has done us a lot of damage that will not soon be repaired.
That's basically what happened in the World Cup playoffs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
What damage? Exposing our limitations and showing us exactly what we need to work on?
I've heard one's liver can regenerate if left to recover for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
The liver is surprisingly tough (I guess it has to be, given we only have one, and die within hours if it stops), but as far as I know it can't undo cirrhosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stuttgart88
Strictly speaking, the liver doesn't regenerate. The healthy part of the liver is, with some growth, able to compensate for lost function.
The Netherlands fell four places to 8th. Croatia fell from 8th to 9th.Quote:
Originally Posted by Serb
Such as?...Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
Our absurd overconfidence when drawn in a group with three teams significantly better than us may have been slightly tarnished.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
I dunno; I still think we can make it out of the group.Quote:
Originally Posted by John83
at the very least the tournament highlighted exactly where we are on the world stage and hopefully tells us a lesson of what needs to be done to highlight our shortcomings. that is a worst case benefit from qualifying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murfinator
qualifying for a tournament can never be a bad thing. sure why exist as an international team if your comment is to be believed?
Despite our performance, anyone who thinks we're better off not qualifying is, quite simply, wrong. We are tangibly better off financially for a start, thanks to the €8 million we received for qualifying (we should be able to afford JD's wages for another couple of months now at least). We were also likely to have been found at this level sooner or later — there's at least a chance that we'll take our lessons from the various hidings we got and begin to mature tactically.
To paraphrase a terrible cliché — it's better to have qualified and lost than never to have qualified at all.
Beautiful. But salting our performances with poetry and romance won't save them. :pQuote:
Originally Posted by Serb
I think Serb made a conscious effort to leave the love out of the equation.
That's a relief!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
So anyone now what our rating would have been if we had not qualified, but still started on the same ranking?
I don't actually know how the system works, would we have lost less points by not playing?
Never say you don't get a rounded education round these parts.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Basically your points tally over a period of four years, and you gradually lose the points built up over the previous years, so every month you will gain X amount of points from the games you play and lose Y amount of points because your results from the past four years depreciate. That's why you can lose points without playing a game.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
We didn't lose anything by playing in the Euros - if we had gotten a win or a draw, though, it would have been worth more the same result in a friendly or qualifier. We got 0 points for losing 3 games, but we would have gotten 0 points anyway for not playing any games. So no, we would be in exactly the same position whether we'd qualified or not, only presumably we wouldn't have gotten the bump that came with qualifying in the first place.