he kept wigan up on the last day of the season..no way...we need a coach with pedigree...
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he kept wigan up on the last day of the season..no way...we need a coach with pedigree...
Bankrolled by Dave Whelan at Wigan. Despite keeping them up last season, they were absolutely awful for most of the season. Failed to motivate and deal with bigger names when at Sheffield Wednesday.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
Thats the thing, the FAI did cough up the dough. Stan is in the top ten well paid managers in the world.....yes the World. What he did before the Irish job to justify 400,000 euro a year ill never know but he got it. Just look at Sweden, as far as I know their manager is getting 120,000 euro a year yet they constantly qualify for tournaments. Then John Delaney gets the idea that the guy who puts out the training cones for Walsall reserves deserves the Irish job on a salary of 400,000 a year. Really puzzlingQuote:
Originally Posted by Wolfie
Yea - a spoofer who's reputation is due to his media pals....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....
yea - I see where you're coming from alright - its all down to his mates in the media. Get a grip....
That top ten salary in the world claim is a falsehood.
Even T&T paid more for Beenhakker, financed I suspect by the touting of their tickets at the WC.
€400,000 certainly not a pittance but we'll have to compete with Premiership prices (astronomical as they are) if we want to secure a truly decent manager with a record of achievement at a decent level.Quote:
Originally Posted by carloz
He hasn't been particularly good since he managed England. I watched his Leeds spell closely, and he was a disaster for them - a team Dave O'Leary was doing rather better with. I don't think it's unfair to question whether he's up to it any more, whether it's because of out of date tactics or just not caring any more.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piltownpossy
He seemed to do a much better job in an advisory role, ie. at Middlesbrough with Bryan Robson.
Wouldn't mind seeing O'Leary and George Graham getting the job. Maybe Grahams ideas might be a bit dated but one thing we would have a very good defence at least and he's a bit of a ****** and wouldn't take any ****e from the players, exactly the sort of person this team needs and the first thing he would do would be to take the captains armband from Keane and give it to Dunne.
His international record with England doesn't really stand up to the scrutiny above in my opinion. Yes, only a shoot out away from a final, but a good performance against the Dutch excepted there was not one single perfiormance of any merit. Anyone could manage England at home in a major finals. All his successes were years ago and the game and the interpretation of its laws have changed markedly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Piltownpossy
Plus he didn't actually have to go through any qualifiers, any hostile away games etc.
You just don't get it, do you?Quote:
Originally Posted by mackannovic
what exactly are the "requirements" of a good international manager tho?
Chris Coleman is another who should come into the reckoning. Did a good job with Fulham.
He's with Sociedad now.
A "rolling" contract. And I'm sure I've read recently that they want him out.Quote:
Originally Posted by onephillyhughes
Didn't know that.
Its hard to know where to look. Some of the names being thrown into the ring are baffling to say the least.
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Originally Posted by Piltownpossy
He took Palace from the 3rd division to the 1st division - How many years ago was that?
Also took them down again. Ask any Palace fan what they tink of him now after his 2nd spell there.
Took QPR to an FA Cup Final as a 2nd division side in 82 - Again 25 years ago
Got them promoted the following season
In 3 seasons at Barcelona he won La Liga, the Spanish Cup and got them to the European Cup Final
Replaced Maradonna with Archibald. Turned down Hugo Sanchez. Won a poor Spanish league and got teh teh European Cup final the year after the country that was the dominant force in Europe had had its teams banned. And still lost.
FA Cup win with Spurs in 91
Failed in general with the best Spurs squad since 61 and spent a fortune.
Missed out on a Final spot in Euro 96 on penalties in the semi playing some of the best football England has seen
Absolute tripe for the reasons outlined in my original post, 1 good performance and that was it.
Only lost in a play off with Australia to qualify for the World Cup....
Have you any idea who Australia had to beat to get to that play off in the Oceania group?? I could have got them that far.
Venables is a busted flush and way over the hill, he's another John Toshack, yesterday's men, the game has moved on and they haven't.
I think we need an expert at European Qualifying so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English. They both know the international scene very well and have dealt with top players and average players. They are both used to dealing with average international squads and making them perform.
I think club managment is totally different to international managment and the skill of getting yout point across over a few days is not something I think Paul Jewell or Harry Redknapp or someone like that could do. I really hope we go down the route I recommend above as I feel we have a good crop of players coming through and it will be a waste if Staunton is in charge of them.
Let us not forget, it's not just a question of picking the right candidate for us......who ever is first choice may NOT want the job! Let's face it, it isn't the most attractive of positions at present and certainly will NOT command the highest salary ( bearing in mind who has a strong grip on the purse string! ):rolleyes:
The salary is not a problem as there is no way the Polish FA are paying more than 650,000 a year which is what we are paying Staunton and Robson. I think its an attractive job as the team is at a low ebb but the talent is there so in my view its perfect for a good international manager.
what in the name of God makes you think Harry Redknapp would pack in Pompey to manage Ireland!!!!
Neil,
"so I would go for Roy Hodgson (spelling) or Leo Beenhakker. Both these guys have been around years and both speak English"
Well of course RH speaks English.........He's English
I never said he would, I am talking about the type of manager that would be suited to managing Ireland at this time and I dont think a weeler dealer Premiership manager is the way to go, if anybody is thinking along those lines.
But what I will say is that there is more chance of that happening than Howard Kendall getting the job.
Did not stop Paul Gascoigne or David Beckham.Quote:
Originally Posted by an_ceannaire
I know he is English and I never said he wasnt, I just said he speaks English which is a statement of fact.
Neil....ure mad :)
I like it!!!
Are you Neil McDonald that used to play for Everton!!! :)
Graham Taylor is available!!!
Sorry what are you on about.
some bloke just started a thread saying stan is gone:eek:
Harry Redknapp is a gangster. Him and the FAI would be well suited.
George Graham, Bertie and Delaney would be well suited to each other.
Sorry I am regretting putting then name in there. I was only using it as as type of manager. It could have been of those guys that know how to get a small club and do well with them. I dont their talents would be suited to international managment.
Neil, I think it's funny that you doubt your own spelling of an ordinary name like Roy Hodgson yet are fully confident you've got Beenhakker right! :)
I am still not sure if I got either of them right.
There are two important issues in all of this. (1) who, among the best managers/coaches are available? and (2) will they want the job?Quote:
Originally Posted by Sligo Hornet
By the end of November all of those qualifying for Euro 2008 will be known and the groups for the WC 2010 qualifiers will be known. Anyone currently managing a team that has qualified for Euro 2008 finals is hardly likely to be leaving before then. Anyone who may be interested will know the challenge facing us to qualify for WC 2010. They will also know that unless they can lead us to qualify for WC2010, they will be deemed a failure and hounded by press and fans alike.
I would suggest that the Hiddiniks, Scolaris and Lippis of this world are far more interested in being associated with success and keeping their reputations intact than in money.
If we draw 2 strong first and second seeds in our WCQ group, then I would think some of the top names, assuming they are available, would shy away on the basis that expectation (fans and media demanding qualification) and reality (the potential of the current crop of players to overcome 2 strong teams over an 18 month 10/12 game campaign) are poles apart.
If all we are left with are the likes of Aldridge, Jewell, Bruce, O'Leary then we might as well leave Staunton in place but employ an experienced assistant/head coach to work alongside him (The Bobby Robson thing was doomed from the start).
Finally, if Hiddinck or one of these top bananas came along and made themselves but then stated they saw the job as a four year project with the end goal building a team good enough to qualify for Euro 2012 would we accept that on the basis that as hardened experienced men they must know what they were on about? I doubt we would.
I know it is really unlikely but I'd like to see Roy Keane have a shot at it ... there are a few problems with the current crop one of which is that they need an almighty kick up the backside!!
Delaney would never ever appoint Keane.
Think the criticism of Venables is justified, despite his past record. Toshack had a superb managerial record around the same time, but doesn't seem to be making much headway at Wales.
for christ sake lads STEPHEN KENNY????? Don't get me wrong, he did well at Derry but can you really imagine him managing Given, Dunne, Finnan, Ireland, Duff and Keane etc? These are top premiership footballers who wouldn't give the guy an ounce of respect. That's the very core of the problem with our team.
It seems we've gotten our wish of a new manager. Please god let it not be O'Leary or McCateer or Aldo and especially not Kenny. I would like a top European manager who knows the game inside out. If Georgia can get Topmeuller, then the barometer has been set for us.
The shout of Hodgson is a good one. He understands the English game and would know most if not all of our players. He also has considerable knowledge of European football. He is doing an excellent job with Finland right now.
I would love Beenhaker or Hiddink but as its already been pointed out they'll probably be preparing for the next European championships so we can rule them out. O'Neill would be great, as would Curbishley.
I would settle for Jewell as a last resort. He is a good manager who I admire but I would believe that he is more suited to club football.
Do ye remember the talk about getting Fergie in to do the job??! Was that after McCarthy or Kerr? Seems so crazy now.
I'll tell ya who's a dark ****in horse - Clive Woodward.
Ye heard it here first.
Ye know I always felt he wanted to bring England to the world cup in soccer and win it. to be the first man to do a cross over.Quote:
Originally Posted by Nipper
I cant see it by delaney and co because he would be too worried about the public reaction for once.