Ireland v Chile, 24/05/06

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25/05/2006, 9:58 PM
Fergie's Son

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

You keep making the same point using your "obective critera" and spouting off the same thing over and over. i understand what you are saying. The financial strength of the league or leagues as a whole is not a valid argument anyway as some teams have much more resouces available to them as others - its how you utilise it is whats important - anyway we could argue about the merits of one league over another until you are blue in the face. Get out and support an eL team for a year and see what your feelings are then:ball:

It's an entirely valid argument and your dismisal of same suggests that you either don't understand (unlikely) or you choose to ignore it (likely).

The premise is simply. If LOI players were good enough then they would seek to maximize their earnings by moving to a league that would pay them more. Unless you are saying that they are not economically-maximizing actors (which is a massive logical leap), then the difference in wages is the most important criteria we can use.

That said, I would LOVE to see the LOI do better and I have been to many a Shel's game in the past and will go in the future.
25/05/2006, 10:09 PM
Real ale Madrid

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

It's an entirely valid argument and your dismisal of same suggests that you either don't understand (unlikely) or you choose to ignore it (likely).

The premise is simply. If LOI players were good enough then they would seek to maximize their earnings by moving to a league that would pay them more. Unless you are saying that they are not economically-maximizing actors (which is a massive logical leap), then the difference in wages is the most important criteria we can use.

That said, I would LOVE to see the LOI do better and I have been to many a Shel's game in the past and will go in the future.

I think your premise is too simple - there are factors other than money that determine the strength of a league. You are saying that the bigger the wage bill the better the team - usually. But sometimes, for a multitude of reasons teams either- punch above thier weight, have players who are more settled playing at home, have a great manager, have great support etc etc.

I havent ignored anything, you make a good compelling argument. But i wholeheartedly disagree with it. Saying your argument was not valid was perhaps unfair in hindsight.
25/05/2006, 10:12 PM
tricky_colour

For what it is worth Chile are about halfway through their football season
and are preparing for a World Cup finals hence you would expect them to look
a bit sharper than us (and they did).
Futhermore did we look a bit better in the second half because they were
content to sit back and defend their lead or were we playing better?
A bit of both I suspect?
25/05/2006, 10:28 PM
dancinpants

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Chile .... are preparing for a World Cup finals hence you would expect them to look a bit sharper

Am I missing something? You're the second person to say that, jockser said it too. Lads Chile ain't going to Germany.
25/05/2006, 10:28 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

ffs, nonsense indeed. if theres one thing i cant stand its people correcting grammar and the words people use. ****ing thought police

Don't know what you're getting hot and bothered about my friend. I didn't correct anybody. I merely enjoyed your description. 'Dissed' conjures up visions of 'homies' and 'gangstas' for me and I just didn't expect to see it used on a foot.ie thread.

I wasn't policing your thought, on the contrary I was applauding it, admittedly in an over the top kind of way.
25/05/2006, 10:53 PM
Fergie's Son

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

I think your premise is too simple - there are factors other than money that determine the strength of a league. You are saying that the bigger the wage bill the better the team - usually. But sometimes, for a multitude of reasons teams either- punch above thier weight, have players who are more settled playing at home, have a great manager, have great support etc etc.

I agree that there are a myriad of factors wages are a significant indicator of quality.

Put another way, a team even with Shelbourne's budget would not make it in the CCC. How can we tell that? Well, just compare them with other teams who have drifted out of the CCC due to their weak finances.
25/05/2006, 11:23 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by dancinpants

Am I missing something? You're the second person to say that, jockser said it too. Lads Chile ain't going to Germany.

Oops :o , I took what Jockser said as gospel, I though it a little unlikely
to be honest, but basically I was just to lazy to check it, or indeed add
the word 'apparently' or 'allegedly' to that statement :D

Mind you, if they were in our qualifying group they probably would have qualified ;)
25/05/2006, 11:27 PM
theworm2345

Ireland vs Chile Highlights

Short Highlights, or Lowlights from my point of view
http://www.footballclips.net/forum/s...ead.php?t=1776
25/05/2006, 11:31 PM
Raheny Red

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Originally Posted by dancinpants

Am I missing something? You're the second person to say that, jockser said it too. Lads Chile ain't going to Germany.

Also, Kevin Doyle made the same mistake in the post-match interview :p
25/05/2006, 11:33 PM
tricky_colour

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Originally Posted by LeixlipRed

ffs, nonsense indeed. if theres one thing i cant stand its people correcting grammar and the words people use. ****ing thought police

Tut, tut, tut. I think you mean:-
It's, there's, and can't :rolleyes:
Oh yea and its Ffs and If, not ffs and if, if its the beginning of a sentence :D
26/05/2006, 1:44 AM
LeixlipRed

youre right John 83 im just too lazy to use apostrophes and too stupid to distinguish between words while typing. i love people who get hard ons from taking the intellectual high road through the medium of the internet. brilliant stuff altogether. im glad though when i read all your posts with their perfect grammar, spelling, etc that we have people like you to enlighten us. keep up the good work
26/05/2006, 3:41 AM
Colbert Report

I like how Leixlip Red edited his last post for spelling mistakes.

Seriously though is there a better player on the team right now than Ian Harte?
26/05/2006, 8:19 AM
Real ale Madrid

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

I agree that there are a myriad of factors wages are a significant indicator of quality.

Put another way, a team even with Shelbourne's budget would not make it in the CCC. How can we tell that? Well, just compare them with other teams who have drifted out of the CCC due to their weak finances.

Money, money, money. Are you an accountant?
26/05/2006, 1:08 PM
Fergie's Son

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

Money, money, money. Are you an accountant?

Nope, just rational.
26/05/2006, 1:13 PM
Real ale Madrid

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Originally Posted by Fergie's Son

Nope, just rational.

If someone disagrees with you it doesnt make them irrational.
26/05/2006, 1:21 PM
Fergie's Son

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Originally Posted by Real ale Madrid

If someone disagrees with you it doesnt make them irrational.

Not suggesting you are irrational just that you are discarding the clear objective criteria that supports (and really confirms) my position vis-a-vis the CCC versus the LOI.

I think, however, we are both on the same page insofar as we both want the LOI to improve and become at least as good as the SPL!
26/05/2006, 1:45 PM
el punter

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Originally Posted by vega007

Seriously though is there a better player on the team right now than Ian Harte?

yes, John O'Shea :)
27/05/2006, 4:00 AM
GK for the Town

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Agreed again. Maybe we should be looking towards the World Cup in four years time. The likes of Aiden McGeady and Owen Garvan should be firmly established by then alongside the old warhorses Robbie and Duffer. I think that represents our best chance at qualification for a tournament in the near future
:ball: PP[/QUOTE]
There are so many people who complained about Jayo getting a chance again. Fair enough he didnt get a good enough shot at it. It is hard with only 20 odd mins at max, but more needs to be said about players in the EL cause most (english)premier league supporters dont know enough about the EL players to make a strong arguement for them to be included in the Irish squad. Its the same point over again i know but the standard in the EL is rising bit by bit so it has to be broadcasted to the many people that there is a bit of talent there
05/06/2006, 8:22 AM
Stuttgart88

Having watched Chile against Sweden on eurosport, I think they're actually a pretty decent side.
05/06/2006, 5:06 PM
Superhoops

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

Having watched Chile against Sweden on eurosport, I think they're actually a pretty decent side.

Did you not think that when they played us?
05/06/2006, 8:29 PM
tetsujin1979

I think he meant that since they are ranked so low, we expected them to be a fairly average side, and that since they rolled us over so easily, it must mean we're a below average side. But it actually turns out they're an above average side. Which makes us average. Or something!
06/06/2006, 12:12 AM
geysir

Put like that, then Stutt's statement is actually an expression of optimism or a desperate attempt to find some positives out of a poor performance.

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