The Kevin Nolan saga

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Originally Posted by gustavo

I'd rather come bottom with a team of players that wanted to play for us than top the group with a bunch for whom playing for us was a career choice or because they werent considered good enough to play for their own country

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strong words, but one things for certain, i definately dont want this guy representing me, ever. its just not right.

each time the Nolan subject crops up on here, the strength of feeling in the anti-Nolan camp strikes me, whereas the pro-Nolan lobby seem to just not get it, they see it as a club signing almost, and totally miss the point in the process.

i wonder if he knew how we felt, if he would finally just fuuck off? as im guessing from the arrogant comments and his general attitude towards playing for us, he has never considered that we may not want his second-hand services.

for example, in the last seasons, birmingham city fans blocked the signing of Boyer, and several clubs have been shamed into pulling out of friendlies with mk dons by their fans protests.

if the fai/Stauton and Nolan in particular were to be made aware of how many fans really really dont want this boyo next or near international honours for us, would it make him go away??

thoughts........

Thing I don't get about Nolan is when exactly is he gonna make up his mind whether or not he wants to play for us?

I don't mind him playing for us because if he qualifies under the rules well then he qualifies. Plenty of better players have played for the country of their parents or their grandparents so there's no problem there imo. But you have to want to play for the country you chose and I just don't think that Nolan wants to play for us.

I would take him but as far as I'm concerned, anybody who doesn't bite the hand off you at an offer like that can fcuk off. I don't want Staunton to go begging to the guy and embarress us, the fact that he was indecisive all along should have told everybody something (that he'll only "use" us if all else fails). Who's the other fella again that Staunton was talking to for about 3 months??

Clinton "O" Morrison Mk II?

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Originally Posted by BaZmO*

Thing I don't get about Nolan is when exactly is he gonna make up his mind whether or not he wants to play for us?

I don't mind him playing for us because if he qualifies under the rules well then he qualifies. Plenty of better players have played for the country of their parents or their grandparents so there's no problem there imo. But you have to want to play for the country you chose and I just don't think that Nolan wants to play for us.

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Even worse than that though is that he doesn't qualify under the rules as they stand. So Staunton/FAI would need to appeal to FIFA to give Nolan an exemption because, um, he kinda might think about playing for us at some point in the future if he doesn't get picked for England before then...

AND i SUPPOSE TONY CASCARINO and vINNY jones - to name but two from Saipan 88 and Jacks army should be ersed from the record books

they're as Irish as you or I is

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Originally Posted by wws

AND i SUPPOSE TONY CASCARINO and vINNY jones - to name but two from Saipan 88 and Jacks army should be ersed from the record books

they're as Irish as you or I is

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What the hell does the above post mean, I can barely read it and what is Saipan 88 .

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Originally Posted by totalfootball

He doesn't qualify for us! What is so difficult to understand about that? It has been explained on this board, over and over again that, under the rules, he doesn't qualify for us.

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Here, relax the kaks!! I said if he qualifies.

Ah classic wws...

I concur

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Ah classic wws...

I concur

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How is unreadable rubbish a classic. Vinny Jones never played for Ireland, Not sure what Saipan 88 is. The word classic is thrown about way to easily nowadays in my view.

Martin Keown could have played for us, Paul Scholes could have played for us, Wayne Rooney could have played for us.
Should they have though?
No.
Why?
Because they're not Irish.
I agree with one poster who describes it as cheating. Had those player declared and we won something, it would be because we cheated.
My grandmother could be from Cameroon but it wouldn't make ME a.... a Camer..... a cameroo............a Camerooniranian !!!
Kevin Nolan grew up on the streets of England kicking ball with his English mates being watched with pride by his English parents. Just because he cant make the English team does not mean for one minute that he should declare for Ireland. The danger with this policy is that any half arsed English player with no hope of playing international football can just say to himself, oh well, i suppose i'd better check my roots and see what my options are.
I would grant players with serious cause for eligability, such as having Irish parents considering our history of emigration, but bargain basement hunting for England cast-offs is, in my opinion, not an option, no matter how tempting.

I think its one of those that is hard to talk about as you cant have a hard and fast rule about it. As there are 2nd or 3rd generation people who are every bit as Irish as the a person born in the country. BUt I do agree there are guys like Nolan and others who have used it as a means to play international football. Some of these have gone on to be heroes in this country. The idea of nationality is so complex and very hard to come up with a form of words that would cater for the situation so its up to each individual association to decide if they want people who may not feel 100% German or Irish or whatever. Don't think its cheating though.

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Originally Posted by NeilMcD

How is unreadable rubbish a classic. Vinny Jones never played for Ireland, Not sure what Saipan 88 is

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Because people like you reply like this.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Because people like you reply like this.

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I hate this type of response, and especially from a moderator.

Back to Nolan: I fully understand and generally agree with the arguments against selecting him but equally, I'll be wondering in Stuttgart whether we should be more ruthless in utilising the rules when we'll be facing three Polish players who qualify for Germany, as far as I know, only by residence.

Anyway, we've been through this all before. I only started the thread on the basis of an article I saw saying that Staunton was still pursuing Nolan which I thought was newsworthy. I should have known better.

well whatever the rights or wrongs he better hurry up and make a decision!!!

Some people here appear to have very negative feelings towards Kevin Nolan.

A few ponts

1) He doesn't qualify today but an appeal to FIFA would probably mean he could qualify as he did qualify for the amnesty.

2) He is a quality player. One of the best uncapped players in England.

3) Vinny Jones tried to play for us but was turned down. he ended up watching one world cup in an Irish jersey in Cork and then became welsh through and through. :D

4) Cascarino was always eligible to play for us.

The main point gspian is that he obviously doesn't WANT to be Irish, and obviously doesn't consider himself Irish. IMO after that the rest doesn't matter

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Because people like you reply like this.

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People like me what is that supposed to mean. As Stuttgart says not a very good response especially someone who is a moderator. I still do not know what Saipan 88 is and Vinny Jones never played for Ireland so not sure how or why the post from WWS is a classic. It does not makes sense on any level. Also Dodge you dont know me so less of the personal stuff please.

Sorry, should have said "posters like you".

It is a VERY VERY OBVIOUS **** take on the whole "lets sign him up" brigade. Anybody who knows wws' posts from his classic period would be familiar with his work and not reply. In fact I can't believe anybody would bother replying to it as it was THAT obvious. You didn't get the joke, therefore you were "one of those people". I admit I should've used "posters"

This is all getting a bit silly. Can we please stick with the issue (or what's left of it after having been picked apart yet again)?

We've been getting similar headlines and 'stories' about Nolan every once and a while for the last year, on and off. My initial reaction on reading about 'Nolan maybe in a green jersey someday possibly maybe' on elevenaside was one of annoyance at it being a total non-entity in terms of news; so, whatever about the role that Nolan's place of birth might play in your low opinion of the move to have him declare for us, try to set aside whatever (probably considerable) irritation you might feel towards the whole idea created by this over-reporting of a non-story. That was quite a convoluted sentence, but I hope I'm being clear. What I'm trying to say is that it is the press who keep running to Nolan asking about Ireland, not the other way around. So I think these calls for him basically to '**** off' or the like are overblown and irrational. There is no need to be so aggressive towards him!

Personally, I think from an entirely cold and pragmatic point of view, the Irish team is crying out for a player like Nolan, and a central midfield of Nolan and Stevie Reid would be very strong indeed, I think everyone can agree. Therefore, from that perspective, any move by Nolan in our direction is to be welcomed.

I realise the fundamental difficulty that people have with a player, who to all intents and purposes is English, playing for us on account of an Irish heritage he feels little or no connection to. Well and good. But I think it is an absolutely ridiculous thing to say (as has been alluded to earlier in this thread and in others) that it is somehow better for us all that an Irish team made up of only 'thoroughbred Irish' - players who have been wholly committed to Ireland/Irish culture/playing for Ireland their whole lives - finishes last and loses all their games; than for an Ireland team with a number (which is never going to be more than 1 or 2, for what it's worth) of English-born players who elected to declare for Ireland finishes first. This is a bizarre statement to make, in my view. While I understand the sentiment, I also feel you have to look around at other countries a little (I think it was Stuttgart88 who mentioned the Germans having 3 Polish lads in their team), as well as at our own post-Hand history, to realise that with immersion in a good set-up (hopefully Stan's counts here), a few good results and the patience of the fans, even 'foreign' (in attitude as well as by birth) players can become fully committed to the Irish cause.

I don't want to go on too long here, but I'll say this: if Stan's pursuit of Nolan is successful and he helps us qualify for Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010, I don't see why any right-thinking Irish football fan should feel disgruntled.

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Originally Posted by TerryPhelan

if Stan's pursuit of Nolan is successful and he helps us qualify for Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010, I don't see why any right-thinking Irish football fan should feel disgruntled.

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They have a right to be disgruntled if Irish football and not the national team, suffer as a result of more and more resources being spent on the national team. As long as the FAI have the option of begging players (and make no mistake this is what it is) to play for ireland, they won't be forced to deal with the seriousness of the ****hole that is Irish football today. If they sorted out the grass roots, they'd have ample players of international quality. Importing Nolan covers over the cracks and gives the FAi the option of saying "Of course Irish football's great, sure aren't we in the Euro finals!"

And I'll repeat myself again here; I have NO problem wahtsoever with 2g players who consider themselves Irish playing for their country.

He is a quality player and would improve us no end but he's not exactly chomping at the bit to wear the green jersey. He is obviously waiting for the new England manager to name his 1st squad against Greece.......

can Stan wait that long? Surely he'd want him in the squad to face Holland in our warm up game.

mercenary

it cheapens the jersey his carry on

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

strong words, but one things for certain, i definately dont want this guy representing me, ever. its just not right.

each time the Nolan subject crops up on here, the strength of feeling in the anti-Nolan camp strikes me, whereas the pro-Nolan lobby seem to just not get it, they see it as a club signing almost, and totally miss the point in the process.

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Mattie Holland was the same, bet you weren't complaining when he smashed one past Cameroon in Japan? Ditto for Clinton Morrison. Ray Houghton is another, a few weeks ago he came out and said he considers himself Scottish. So why did he play for Ireland? Again, did we turn our backs to the game/tv when he scored against England and Italy? Did we fcuk! Some of you are very opinionated on this, but it has to be said, ye also have very very short, and selective, memories! Nolan is no different to the afore mentioned players. Being from Liverpool he probably has more Irishness about him than the players mentioned above had. And i'm pretty sure if he does declare that he'll put in as much effort and contribute as much as Houghton et al did.

The reason i'm willing to accept him is because it has been like this as long as I've been supporting Ireland and going to games in the early Charlton years. We've always had these kind of players, and it's done us more good than bad. I'm not going to pretend that we haven't in the past. Nor am I delusional and going to start romanticising about an all Irish team and only having 2G plyers with extra-strength Irish links. It's all a load of bull. If Nolan decides he wants to play for us, that's good enough for me. He could be another Townsend, and whats wrong with that? All I care about is being at Euro 2008.

Another thing - almost every second national side now has 2G players or players of other nationalities declaring. Some obvious ones are Alex - Japan, Deco - Portugal, Hargreaves - England, Scotland have an ass load of them, Klose/Podolski/Kuranyi - Germany, Viera and about 10 others - France, Senna - Spain etc etc etc. Again, Nolan is no worse than any of these examples especially Deco, Alex, Hargreaves and Senna....

That might well be true but it still irks me that we are going cap in to him whilst he weighs up his options .Of course once a player joins up you are going to support them as its counter productive to do otherwise.

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Originally Posted by gustavo

That might well be true but it still irks me that we are going hand in cap to him whilst he weighs up his options .Of course once a player joins up you are going to support them as its counter productive to do otherwise.

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Have to agree with you there. I just can’t get myself to accept this doughnut into the Irish setup. It really annoys me that people are willing to wait to see if he will be picked for the three lions before he make his decision.Fcuk that for a game of soldiers, I would rather we won nothing than have to depend on a clown like this for success.

what are Nolan's Irish roots? Grandparents?

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

Mattie Holland was the same, bet you weren't complaining when he smashed one past Cameroon in Japan? Ditto for Clinton Morrison. Ray Houghton is another, a few weeks ago he came out and said he considers himself Scottish. So why did he play for Ireland? Again, did we turn our backs to the game/tv when he scored against England and Italy? Did we fcuk! Some of you are very opinionated on this, but it has to be said, ye also have very very short, and selective, memories!

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So just because we don't think aperson should be playing for our country we're not entitled to celebrate our team scoring a goal? HOw does that work? Would you prefer I booed him everytime he touched the ball? Doesn't mean he deserves to be there

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Nolan is no different to the afore mentioned players. Being from Liverpool he probably has more Irishness about him than the players mentioned above had. And i'm pretty sure if he does declare that he'll put in as much effort and contribute as much as Houghton et al did.

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Thats total ********. There's pockets of "Irishness" in parts of glasgow and maybe parts of London/Luton but do you know what estate this lad is from? Did he go to the local Irish youth centre. Stop making up stuff to justify it to yourself.

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All I care about is being at Euro 2008.

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Thats the main problem with Irish football. I'd prefer to see all levels of Irish football flourish. See my earlier post why this kind of thing stops it

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almost every second national side now has 2G players or players of other nationalities declaring. Some obvious ones are Alex - Japan, Deco - Portugal, Hargreaves - England, Scotland have an ass load of them, Klose/Podolski/Kuranyi - Germany, Viera and about 10 others - France, Senna - Spain etc etc etc. Again, Nolan is no worse than any of these examples especially Deco, Alex, Hargreaves and Senna....

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Nolan is 100 times worse than those mentioned. Deco, Alex, the Germans and all the French lads all gained citizenship through residence, meaning they have contributed to the country they represent. In an interview with Deco in 4-4-2 last year, he said that he saw playing for Portugal as a duty after all the country had given him. Has nolan even been to Ireland? The odd holiday here at most. Does he see it as a duty, does he ****. I'll repeat again, this is a club side, this is a team that is supposed to represent our country. As long as the FAI beg players who have no allegiance to the country to play for us, Irish football will continue to be in as bad a state as we're in now.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Nolan is 100 times worse than those mentioned. Deco, Alex, the Germans and all the French lads all gained citizenship through residence, meaning they have contributed to the country they represent. In an interview with Deco in 4-4-2 last year, he said that he saw playing for Portugal as a duty after all the country had given him. Has nolan even been to Ireland? The odd holiday here at most. Does he see it as a duty, does he ****. I'll repeat again, this is a club side, this is a team that is supposed to represent our country. As long as the FAI beg players who have no allegiance to the country to play for us, Irish football will continue to be in as bad a state as we're in now.

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Actually he has been here. Was part of Brian Kerr's youth team set up who were due to play big game in Dalymount. However on the eve of the game he said he didn't want to play and went home. So he has been messing around for about 7 or 8 years now.

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

Mattie Holland was the same, bet you weren't complaining when he smashed one past Cameroon in Japan? Ditto for Clinton Morrison. Ray Houghton is another, a few weeks ago he came out and said he considers himself Scottish. So why did he play for Ireland? Again, did we turn our backs to the game/tv when he scored against England and Italy? Did we fcuk! Some of you are very opinionated on this, but it has to be said, ye also have very very short, and selective, memories! Nolan is no different to the afore mentioned players. Being from Liverpool he probably has more Irishness about him than the players mentioned above had. And i'm pretty sure if he does declare that he'll put in as much effort and contribute as much as Houghton et al did.

The reason i'm willing to accept him is because it has been like this as long as I've been supporting Ireland and going to games in the early Charlton years. We've always had these kind of players, and it's done us more good than bad. I'm not going to pretend that we haven't in the past. Nor am I delusional and going to start romanticising about an all Irish team and only having 2G plyers with extra-strength Irish links. It's all a load of bull. If Nolan decides he wants to play for us, that's good enough for me. He could be another Townsend, and whats wrong with that? All I care about is being at Euro 2008.

Another thing - almost every second national side now has 2G players or players of other nationalities declaring. Some obvious ones are Alex - Japan, Deco - Portugal, Hargreaves - England, Scotland have an ass load of them, Klose/Podolski/Kuranyi - Germany, Viera and about 10 others - France, Senna - Spain etc etc etc. Again, Nolan is no worse than any of these examples especially Deco, Alex, Hargreaves and Senna....

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just because it went on before doesnt mean its ok to continue capping guys like this, irish football needs to get its house in order and stop feeding of scraps of others to paper over the cracks.and your assertion that being from liverpool will have given him some sort of ''irishness'' is absolute rubbish.

he qualifies on paper, but he has not a scrap of feeling irish in any way shape or form about him, and has made no secret of this. so how then can you feel he can represent you? how can you as an irishman, feel equally represented by a guy like this, as you would by a Kilbane or a Kavanagh? its not possible, and he shouldnt be there.


and the examples you give of other nations players doesnt stand up either, as those players, as dodge has said, actually contributed something to their respective adopted countries, and they wanted and sought out the oppertunity to play for those nations, Nolan has not, and even at this late stage still uses his ''irishness'' purely to ratchet up pressure on england to play him. nonsense, and we shouldnt stand for it and as a nation, leave ourselves open to having the honour of playing for us devalued and mocked by career internationals like Nolan.

dont get me wrong, he would have been welcome, more than welcome, but seeing him in green now after he has placed so little value on it, would leave a sour taste.

anyway, this has been done to death 10 times over on him at this stage on here.

;sorry if this has been mentioned before, but apparently he also qualifies for Holland, the guy is all over the place....


Bolton star Kevin Nolan has revealed that he qualifies to play for Holland and is giving close consideration to his international future.

Nolan who has been touted by Stephen Staunton to play for Ireland could also come into the reckoning for England as Mc Claren imposes his stamp on the English side.

The midfielder is mulling over his options, as he could also turn out for Republic of Ireland and the Dutch.

"It's not only Ireland I have to think about," he told Wanderers TV. "My great-grandfather was Dutch, people don't know that.
"It was funny how it came up. I was at a soccer school in Spain in the summer, doing a few things for the kids. In a question and answer session, my little cousin asked me why I was always being asked about playing for Ireland and had never been asked about playing for Holland, because he's got a bit of Dutch in him.

"It just made me laugh, because everybody just talks about Ireland."

Looking to the future, Nolan added: "Obviously this is something I have to sit down and think about in the near future.

"It might be the next step. Not being in Europe with Bolton this season, it could be one of those things where I could step into the international scene with Ireland, if Steve Staunton did want me and if I got picked.

"It's something I have to discuss in the next few months but I've not thought about it because it's so far away."

yeah, I'm pretty sure most people don't know where you're great grandfather was from.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

those players, as dodge has said, actually contributed something to their respective adopted countries, and they wanted and sought out the oppertunity to play for those nations, Nolan has not, and even at this late stage still uses his ''irishness'' purely to ratchet up pressure on england to play him. nonsense, and we shouldnt stand for it and as a nation, leave ourselves open to having the honour of playing for us devalued and mocked by career internationals like Nolan.

dont get me wrong, he would have been welcome, more than welcome, but seeing him in green now after he has placed so little value on it, would leave a sour taste.

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Well said CTP. I second all of the above.

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Originally Posted by SaucyJack

apparently he also qualifies for Holland, the guy is all over the place....

Bolton star Kevin Nolan has revealed that he qualifies to play for Holland and is giving close consideration to his international future.

"It's not only Ireland I have to think about," he told Wanderers TV. "My great-grandfather was Dutch, people don't know that.

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Kev "van Nolan" GTF. :rolleyes:

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****ing thick isn't even qualified for Holland.

Considering that the guy is currently ineligible to play for us I can't believe how many posts this gets, not only on this thread but on others also.

Before anyone points it out I am fully aware of the irony of me contributing to this thread.

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Originally Posted by Dodge

As long as the FAI beg players who have no allegiance to the country to play for us, Irish football will continue to be in as bad a state as we're in now.

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Who said the FAI are begging him? The last time Staunton spoke to Nolan was during the premiership season, as Nolan said himself when Staunton was also watching Joey O'Brien. Thats months ago. How does a conversation with Staunton qualify as the FAI 'begging'? :rolleyes: For a man who likes to correct other posters a lot, you should look at some of the over-exaggerated stuff you're typing yourself ;) Brian Kerr made no effort for Nolan during the amnesty, mainly because of the incident that drummerboy referred to above. So there was no 'begging' then either.

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

just because it went on before doesnt mean its ok to continue capping guys like this, irish football needs to get its house in order and stop feeding of scraps of others to paper over the cracks.

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Why have we suddenly become a nation over flowing with footballing talent? Getting our house in order - Isn't that what the National Technical Development Plan is all about? The club Licensing, new FAI regulations? About creating a structure from grassroots to our league clubs, and developing better players? It's going to take about ten years at least before you see anything come out of this project, but the point is Irish football has set the ball rolling. Kevin Nolan declaring for us will have no impact on any of this....

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

he qualifies on paper, but he has not a scrap of feeling irish in any way shape or form about him, and has made no secret of this.

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How do you know he has not a scrap of Irishness about him? Do you know Kevin and his family personally? You're just speculating, basically. I remember Clinton Morrison winding Michael Owen up for Palace against Liverpool and around the same time talking/dreaming about playing for England. He finally declared for us when it wasn't going to happen. Clinton has done fine for us since, can't fault his effort. Nolan is doing exactly the same now, so what's the difference?

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

and the examples you give of other nations players doesnt stand up either, as those players, as dodge has said, actually contributed something to their respective adopted countries, and they wanted and sought out the oppertunity to play for those nations.

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Yeah thats great when all those respective countries have proper professional leagues and those players are earning their living there as a result. We don't have that. We have a shambles of a league, run by cowboys, our grounds are a joke and so are most of the clubs. The standard is bottom tier of European club football and the wages are crap. What do you expect, the likes of Nolan to give up the premiership and come over here for 5 years to play bog standard football, just so they can justify/qualify playing for Ireland and please people like you?! My comparison to those other players does stand up because you have Brazilians playing for Japan, Portugal and Spain who are in no way Japenese, Portugese or Spanish. You have Hargreaves who has spent all his life in Canada and Germany playing for England. How in gods name has he contributed to his country? It is a valid arguement because people on here keep on banging on about Nolans 'Englishness/lack of Irishness'. Fair enough the Polish Germans grew up in Germany, as did the African French in France.

Well, somewhere between the FAI and Nolan we - Ireland fans - are being sold short. Are you saying 4TTF (great handle btw) that you're not at all affronted by this? :confused:

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

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houghton et al were asked, thought about it for 30 seconds, said yes.

nolan refused to show up for a youth international 8 years ago and is clearly lining us up as plan b if engerland doesnt work out. presumably for contract talks/transfer time.

when you have figured it out.....

its ole ole mugs like you that let him use our national side as leverage. if he knew he would be lashed out of it by the green army for this sort of carry on, he would **** or get off the pot. its demeaning to the jersey, and worse that the FAI and some fans think its acceptible. name me one other set of fans that would take a player like him or morrison on board after such public hesitancy?

the diaspora argument is irrelevent here.

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Originally Posted by 4tothefloor

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jaysus, this is like talkin to a fuuckin wall........


in light of the development plan not bearing instant fruit, you seem to maintain if we cant be choosers then we must be beggars......yeah? with this attitude you and your ilk continue to let ireland down, accept 2nd prize and thats all you'll ever get, if you're happy with that then off you go, but there seems plenty on here who arent, and rightly so.


and as with Morrisson, as ive said previously, just because it went on before doesnt mean its ok to continue doing it, if you cant process the information in others poeples posts, and understand it then it might be wise to stop trying to pick peoples posts apart.

and as for your assumed need for me to know Nolans family personally in order to comment on this, what a load of shiiite, you dont need to know him to see whats going on here, read this
http://www.kickinmagazine.ie/kevinnolan31102000.htm

and anyone with even a scrap of affinity for ireland would not have treated this matter with the casual disdain/bargaining chip attitude this guy has.

and as for Deco and co, i believe i said they either contributed to their chosen nations OR demonstrated the will to play for them,Nolan has done neither,......you missed that bit too.
and somehow you seem to think by this i mean, he should play LOI for 5 yrs to gain citizenship!!:rolleyes:


like i say...talking to the wall

...threads merged just to show the history to this particular thorny question.

Thanks CTP for the suggestion of a poll - duly added. Vote away people - after all, this board at least is a democracy (well, as long as dahamsta says so)... :D

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

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Could the two of you be so kind as to post a link to the post where I said 'blah blah blah'.....

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Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke

in light of the development plan not bearing instant fruit, you seem to maintain if we cant be choosers then we must be beggars......yeah? with this attitude you and your ilk continue to let ireland down, accept 2nd prize and thats all you'll ever get, if you're happy with that then off you go, but there seems plenty on here who arent, and rightly so.

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What exactly are you trying to say? Accept 2nd prize? Would that be failure to even qualify, because we've won that prize a lot in recent years. Nolan could help us qualify for Euro 2008 - how is that accepting 2nd prize? Long-term the Technical Development Plan will hopefully ensure we don't have to accept the likes of Nolan in say 10 - 15 yrs time. Get it? :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Roverstillidie

its ole ole mugs like you that let him use our national side as leverage. if he knew he would be lashed out of it by the green army for this sort of carry on, he would **** or get off the pot

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Roverstillidie - I ain't no Ole Ole mug (I suppose that's the Rovers coming out in you). Nolan is welcome to play for us if he comes out and says he wants to play, just like all the rest were welcome. In an ideal world I'd love if we were able to tell undecided players like Nolan to fcuk off and then go on to qualify with two fingers still raised in his direction. But we can't cos we don't have the players. We don't qualify for finals. I've been going to LR regularly since 1989. I go to away games. I spend a lot of money, and thus far, I have not had the privelage of being at a championship finals because I was either too young or couldn't afford it when the chances last came around. If Kevin Nolan can come in and put in performances and score goals to get us to Euro 2008, quite frankly I couldn't give a sh!t if two years earlier he wanted to play for England. Is that black and white enough for you?