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22/03/2023, 3:51 PM
backstothewall

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Stephen Kenny has more managerial experience than both of them put together.

Aye. Including loads of experience of getting beat as Ireland manager.
22/03/2023, 3:53 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Anyone calling for a manager's removal has the onus of responsibility to propose an alternative.

No they don't hahaha. Literally ANY proper manager would do better than Kenny has done. ChatGTP would probably do a better job. The emperor has no clothes, everyone can see that now.
22/03/2023, 3:55 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

point taken - but i will say, the difference in talent between Rice and Grealish vs Smallbone, Ebosele, Hodge and Cannon is absolutely huge. Evan Ferguson is the only player to compare with their level of raw talent and he's been capped as quick as possible

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.
22/03/2023, 3:58 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.

Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.

There is more chance of the captain of the Titanic waking up, bailing out the ship with a bucket and turning it around back to Cork, than Kenny suddenly becoming an international level manager. And that's being kind to Kenny.
22/03/2023, 4:01 PM
tetsujin1979

Use muti quote Weldoninho
22/03/2023, 4:01 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

Lee Carsley
Stephen Reid

There's 2 potential, realistic replacements with suitable experience.

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.
22/03/2023, 4:02 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.

I like Hodge but he hasnt seen a football pitch since January, he doesnt even make bench at moment for Wolves
22/03/2023, 4:03 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Use muti quote Weldoninho

Sorry I was replying as I read the thread. Didn't think i'd be commenting so much.
22/03/2023, 4:04 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by Eirambler

You set a tangible target of what a manager should be achieving and take a view based on what the manager actually achieves. It's the only way to take a fair view.

Bringing other managers or possible managers into it doesn't help - someone might be available today or not in six months time. Someone might be good but unaffordable. Someone might be gettable but we don't realise they are.

We should be judging the current manager based on how well he does with the team, not based on whether any other manager might or might not be interested or available.

So, when kenny is no longer manager, and we have Steven Gerrard appointed, I can say that we should be topping groups, making tournament semi-finals, or whatever, just because I deem that to be tangible. And then when the next manager doesn't, I can be as unmerciful in my criticism as I like?
22/03/2023, 4:04 PM
weldoninhio

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.

Unsuitable in what way??
22/03/2023, 4:07 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

Its an absolutely ridiculous proposition what you are saying and its a fairly nefarious thing to try and do it. Do you think organisations(for any type of management position) of any kind don't get rid of people because they are underperforming? Absolutely ridiculous , in any/all industry they do. Sport is no different. Happens all the time in football too.

Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.

However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.
22/03/2023, 4:09 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

I think Hodge now, is about where Rice/Grealish were back then. And still can't even get into a senior squad.

He's not.
22/03/2023, 4:09 PM
zero

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

Unsuitable in what way??

neither of them are Steven Kenny.
22/03/2023, 4:13 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

The funny thing is you expect him to score in every game he plays now, just because he always looks so dangerous and his positioning is brilliant. Hes that good that I do think he'll do well today.

Yeah his positioning in the box is very good. Even in the game against Leeds he wasn't given any space whatsoever but the first goal you see him dropping out of the six yard box to drag the CB with him which left an acre of space for McAllister to score an easy header.

Don't expect him to be dragging us to victories but feed him the ball and fully believe he'll score as would Obafemi. Issue is getting the ball to them in goal scoring positions.
22/03/2023, 4:15 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by weldoninhio

Unsuitable in what way??

In an unsuitable way, as in, not suitable for the job.
22/03/2023, 4:17 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Fair play to you, appreciate it.
I disagree with both proposals. They are unsuitable.

I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.
22/03/2023, 4:20 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by SkStu

I'd be fine with taking a chance on Carsley, I think.

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name
22/03/2023, 4:23 PM
zero

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.
22/03/2023, 4:26 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by zero

Brian Barry-Murphy will likely go on to have a solid career as manager. Currently heading up the Man City u21s - probably too early in his career but certainly someone to keep an eye on.

Good should, but it would still be a chance. He could be a chance worth taking though
22/03/2023, 4:30 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Nefarious, I like it. It's incorrect, but I like the implication. But then again, I don't classify Kenny as underperforming, you do. And in a 'my Kingers opinion vs your POSh opinion - you specifically Paul - I don't in any way hold any regard for your opinion, for many reasons which I refuse to discuss on this forum.

However, I absolutely adore you as a person in real-life, and that's all that matters to me.

I'll accept that. Because I'm in the sane 90% who certainly dont think Kenny has been performing :) Now off with you back to your belgian backwater untouched by modern living : P

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

I think whatever anyone thinks of the new FAI board V the old FAI board but I'd be a lot more concerned about the FAI doing that again bringing in houghton and Bonner to head the recruitment and although I dont think they end up with Lampard because of costs they'd end up with someone like Paul Ince instead. We're not in the FOotball Management Recruitment World as are none of us on here ( even you Kingdom even if you think a few years underage coaching u12s girls and boys gives you some overlord worldly view ; ) ) but we'd hope that the FAI would be able to tap into that and get a less parochial(ireland/england) and more worldly view.
22/03/2023, 4:37 PM
paul_oshea

I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.
22/03/2023, 4:43 PM
tetsujin1979

Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?
22/03/2023, 4:45 PM
paul_oshea

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?

Sorry. As said before you need a squash and merge feature.
22/03/2023, 4:49 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

Paul, another user was asked to use multi quote only one page ago
When you come back for the fixtures in June, can you remember that the option exists?

Sorry chief, will do.
Hope to be back before June.
22/03/2023, 4:51 PM
Kingdom

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

On balance I probably would too Stu, but he has been held up as some sort of savior for quite a while when hes never really been a manager.

I liked the idea of Jim Goodwin before things went t1ts up for him at Aberdeen. Theres not a whole lot of "Irish" options so you could see a scenario where Frank Lampard would get hired because the FAI know his name

Lampard was svtually the name i was going to use funny enough.
22/03/2023, 4:51 PM
zero

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.

I think it's more a reflection of who we could realistically appoint. There wouldn't be too many interested in the role I'd say.
22/03/2023, 4:54 PM
Razors left peg

Am I the only one who actually doesnt know how to use multi quotes? Ive only been on here 15 years in fairness!!
22/03/2023, 4:54 PM
SkStu

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Lampard was svtually the name i was going to use funny enough.

I'd like to see us pursue Terry Venables.
22/03/2023, 4:55 PM
Razors left peg

Quote:

Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think everyone coming up with Irish names just shows how limited a view everyone has of what's out there.

Which is why I made the point earlier about hidden gems like Postecoglou and De Zerbi being out there but my lack of faith in the FAI to find them
22/03/2023, 5:02 PM
JR89

Quote:

Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Theres a lot of very good managers out there. I doubt many here would have heard of Postecoglou or De Zerbi before they were hired at Celtic and Brighton, I definitely didnt. If you could trust the FAI to cast a wide net and find a diamond then we could find an excellent replacement for Kenny. I certainly dont trust them and were guaranteed to be just linked with the usual suspects on the British system merry-go-round. You'll have some nonsense like Ray Houghton and Liam Brady being involved on some committee to help pick the manager like what happened previously.

Anyway a replacement manager will only be needed if things go badly in the new campaign, lets hope that Kenny turns it around and we get good results. There is a feeling here that lads now want us to lose so that Kenny gets sacked. I've said that I dont believe in him anymore, but I also would rather we stick with him because we are getting results than hope we lose so we can replace him.

Always thought the FAI should look at the Danish league to scout some managers. It's a decent enough standard and the Danes themselves hire managers from that league. Issue being now is will managers look at us as a step in their careers. Any manager looking to advance their careers probably wouldn't touch us since the we're broke.

You'd be looking at some that have failed at clubs and looking for somewhere to maybe bounce back to get a club job or coaches looking to break into management. Someone mentioned Frank Lampard I think or might have seen it somewhere else but apparently the English FA are looking at him or Gerrard as possible replacements for Carsley with the U21s.
22/03/2023, 5:02 PM
Supreme feet

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Originally Posted by SkStu

I'd like to see us pursue Terry Venables.

Anything to be said for Paul Jewell or Philippe Troussier?
22/03/2023, 5:04 PM
SkStu

Troussier is a bit too exotic for my tastes. :D
22/03/2023, 5:08 PM
Kingdom

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Originally Posted by zero

I think it's more a reflection of who we could realistically appoint. There wouldn't be too many interested in the role I'd say.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Which is why I made the point earlier about hidden gems like Postecoglou and De Zerbi being out there but my lack of faith in the FAI to find them

Your post Razor is exactly why im holding the fanatics to reason in my posts of past days.

What are we looking for in a replacement?
Is it someone with a rep for dragging teams above their level?
Is it someone with a rep for dealing with high expectations?
Style of football?
Previous english league experience?
Would we consider a woman?
Is previous managerial experiwnce a prerequisite?

Just on the references to Anthony barry from boomy earlier, legitimate consideration has to be given to the possibility of an FAI clause inserted into the applications for those who take their pro licence badges through the FAI as they have a fast track process for tjose employed in the professional arena.
Every coach employed by the FAI at senior level has been a Pro licence course graduate - including the aforementioned Barry and eustace. While it is a personal opinion i thijk this goes beyond coincidence.
I would suggest that our next maanger will likely come from that same pool.
Shevchecnko was a recent participant on a course recently.
22/03/2023, 5:11 PM
Razors left peg

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Originally Posted by JR89

Always thought the FAI should look at the Danish league to scout some managers. It's a decent enough standard and the Danes themselves hire managers from that league. Issue being now is will managers look at us as a step in their careers. Any manager looking to advance their careers probably wouldn't touch us since the we're broke.

You'd be looking at some that have failed at clubs and looking for somewhere to maybe bounce back to get a club job or coaches looking to break into management. Someone mentioned Frank Lampard I think or might have seen it somewhere else but apparently the English FA are looking at him or Gerrard as possible replacements for Carsley with the U21s.

Yeah I mentioned Lampard and Kingers mentions Gerrard. You know thats the route we'd end up going if Carsley said no to us. Or it would be Allardyce, Steve Brue, Nigel Pearson or some other guy who is constantly bouncing around. We did amazingly get Trappatoni out of nowhere a few years ago, but money talked then and we dont have it now.

I know a lot dont believe its possible, myself included, but the man in charge now getting it right so we dont have to go down the route of looking again is the ideal situation. I just want us to f***ing start winning games so we dont have the constant negativity. We are building a decent young squad and I hope the results improve as they do.
22/03/2023, 5:22 PM
tetsujin1979

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Originally Posted by elatedscum

point taken - but i will say, the difference in talent between Rice and Grealish vs Smallbone, Ebosele, Hodge and Cannon is absolutely huge. Evan Ferguson is the only player to compare with their level of raw talent and he's been capped as quick as possible

I'm not talking about their relative talent levels, it's that they're promising, dual eligible, youth players.
The myth about Martin O'Neill leaving Rice on the bench against Moldova comes back seeing from time to time. Ebosele and Smallbone have been unused subs more than once, I really hope that doesn't come back to bite us
22/03/2023, 5:25 PM
Jd2793

3-5-2 confirmed bleh
22/03/2023, 5:29 PM
Razors left peg

Kelleher
Doherty Omobamidele Collins O'Shea O'Dowda
Browne Molumby Smallbone
Obafemi Ferguson

Team confirmed. I like it
22/03/2023, 5:34 PM
passinginterest

Looks a solid team. Hope they come out high energy and really look to put Latvia away early. Then a chance to try a few more options in the second half.
22/03/2023, 5:41 PM
JR89

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

Kelleher
Doherty Omobamidele Collins O'Shea O'Dowda
Browne Molumby Smallbone
Obafemi Ferguson

Team confirmed. I like it

I like it and great to see Obafemi, Ferguson, and Smallbone starting. Need to find a better back up for Cullen. I like Molumby when we need him to do what he did in the Nations League against the likes of Scotland. Playing as the deeper midfielder though you're gonna get mostly sideways passing.
22/03/2023, 5:42 PM
paul_oshea

backs to the wall or has some on here called him backtowalsall will be happy enough with that. I think its a decent starting lineup and hopefully means browne wont be near the starting 11 monday.

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