Cork AUL 2022/23

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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

I would like to think the people in the back round of these clubs are being realistic in recognising that the short term success they are enjoying has not been a steady progression, rather a sudden change of something that has suddenly resulted in players who they normally wouldn't have now playing with their club.

The Aul would be making a massive mistake in promoting sides who have not earned it, however strong they are.

Winning promotion dose not just build teams, it builds clubs and it separates hard work and effort from the blow in sides that start in the pub an fall apart in the pub.

I'd rather a league built on its clubs than a league supported by short term teams .

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To be fair Watergrasshill and Cathedral are in two different situations.
Cathedral are up the divisions and were decent but now have added quality but how long can they hold on to the additions?
And can they get more.

Watergrasshill obviously got a shot of players from some where.

They now are a top team no matter what division they plaY out of as has been seen in al their cup runs both in the AUL and the national competitions.

Watergrasshill have a decent underage structure which will allow them to strengthen internally.

These boys will be a decent AUL outfit over the the next 5 years

It is tough to decide what to do.

However, I do feel the short term is massively important to the long term.

It's only a matter of time before a division falls off anyway so best do a reorganisation now.

They way I see it, there's a certain number of clubs who had a good year and were reliable in last year. Then there's your usual teams who plug away hard.

COVID hit things bad too.

How about these? Without any teams dropping out an issue. If they do, put someone else in. Change as well potentially with Knocka and Buttevant mentioned here.

Premier
Coachford
Grattan
Corkbeg
Springfield
City Wadnerers
Village
Grangevale
UCC
Watergrasshill

Premier A
Glenthorn
Temple
Cathedral
Shandon
Donoughmore
Castleview
Killumney
Banteer
Waterloo
Strand

1st
Greenwood
Blackstone
Richmond
Hibernians
And so on
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Originally Posted by Play it out

It is tough to decide what to do.

However, I do feel the short term is massively important to the long term.

It's only a matter of time before a division falls off anyway so best do a reorganisation now.

They way I see it, there's a certain number of clubs who had a good year and were reliable in last year. Then there's your usual teams who plug away hard.

COVID hit things bad too.

How about these? Without any teams dropping out an issue. If they do, put someone else in. Change as well potentially with Knocka and Buttevant mentioned here.

Premier
Coachford
Grattan
Corkbeg
Springfield
City Wadnerers
Village
Grangevale
UCC
Watergrasshill

Premier A
Glenthorn
Temple
Cathedral
Shandon
Donoughmore
Castleview
Killumney
Banteer
Waterloo
Strand

1st
Greenwood
Blackstone
Richmond
Hibernians
And so on
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I wouldn’t think so the 2 best teams this year coachford and cathedral 1of those 2 for team of the year

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Originally Posted by SteveSilvermint

I wouldn’t think so the 2 best teams this year coachford and cathedral 1of those 2 for team of the year

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Have to agree here, Cathedral are very much on track to do a treble, they’ve players there who are excellent and a good all around unit, To just disregard them and say watergrasshill should leap frog over and go straight to premier is not the best of shouts, will be interesting final, that’s if watergrasshill can get past temple on Tuesday no easy task either

It Watergrasshill are what we claim them to be they will have no problem with Temple.

Then a potential show down between Cathedral & Watergrasshill would be great to see

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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

I would like to think the people in the back round of these clubs are being realistic in recognising that the short term success they are enjoying has not been a steady progression, rather a sudden change of something that has suddenly resulted in players who they normally wouldn't have now playing with their club.

The Aul would be making a massive mistake in promoting sides who have not earned it, however strong they are.

Winning promotion dose not just build teams, it builds clubs and it separates hard work and effort from the blow in sides that start in the pub an fall apart in the pub.

I'd rather a league built on its clubs than a league supported by short term teams .

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While I would agree with alot of what you have said there the standard of football in AUL has been inserious decline over the last 5 years in particular. With the Premier probably seeing the biggest gap.

There needs to be a big shake up with Teams to their ability level and not dropping 3 or 4 leagues so they can hoover up a few cheap league titles along the way.

Reality for the Premier is that Coachford have to turn up for 2 games a season being Grattan. Everybody else they are able to get through easy without going through the gears.
If there is more competition, in the division it leads to harder games and more chance of them dropping points.

Corkbeg finished 3rd and in the premier and struggled to finish out the season by all accounts i.e. no training for last few months etc. and probably were not the only ones.


It's kind of reminiscing of the Klitcho's in heavyweight boxing sure they were beating everyone in their sight but it strangled the division in terms on competition and interest for the supporter.

While the Coachford scenario plays well for the AUL on the national competition front it's not doing anything for the actual bread and butter AUL season.


Something like what Play It Out has suggested is needed at a time like this.

I would also agree a big reshuffle is needed. A team should not have an option of declining to go up a division if asked by the league. 5 divisions of 9 and two round league is nearly the best fit. Hard to see more than 45 teams next year. Would be ideal if it could be 4 leagues of 10. 16/18 league games is more than enough, as mentioned teams lost interest very early with the 3 round league.

In relation to the cup left, Cathedral Watergrasshill would be a great final but they could easily be caught somewhere with no time between games. I would imagine Watergrasshill did a bit of celebrating after the cup win so the temple game tomorrow could go either way.

Final point, is there really need for the Corinthians cup? Adding to the back log of fixtures and not even a day out in the Cross. I see the final is on up in Castleview again

I think everyone is on board that a reshuffle is needed.

You can see across the board in Cork soccer, 2 years after COVID return, managers and players have moved on.

MSL can rely on their own clubs to regenerate. CBL are fine. AUL needs the forced reshuffle. It's unprecedented. Can't blame AUL for much of the drop outs, etc.

Anyone here that's involved in clubs should be voicing at AGM, delegate meetings, emails, etc. They are certainly open to listening but will need clubs help here.

People on this are trying to see the better side of the aul, let’s be Frank the aul is an absolute joke the way they done the cups and fixtures this year, some of ye on this might not like to hear this but the refs and everyone else involved with the aul are scared of some team overtaking coachford it took a few questionable calls to make sure coachford got there place in the aoh cup final and anybody who has played against them this year would admit it as well. The AOH was there for the taken this year and the aul made sure it went when they wanted. I don’t want to be misquoted by anyone on this with them saying I’m discrediting all Coachfords success they’ve been unreal but they also are getting a lot of questionable calls

Ah come on now.

I'm someone who has had issues with AUL decisions through the years but I strongly believe that the men there still care.

I don't belive the conspired to Coachfords benefit, crazy.

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Originally Posted by Play it out

Ah come on now.

I'm someone who has had issues with AUL decisions through the years but I strongly believe that the men there still care.

I don't belive the conspired to Coachfords benefit, crazy.

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I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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Originally Posted by AULboy

I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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Jim -stand in 1spot -Hennessy..very poor standard of ref is Jim Hennessy…

Lads read these forums, I don't think it's nice or appropriate to bash a ref luke that. Whatever ability a ref is at, I'd like to think they're not conspiring for Coachford to win AOH. Mistake or not we all make them be it players, managers, refs or whoever else.

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Originally Posted by Play it out

Lads read these forums, I don't think it's nice or appropriate to bash a ref luke that. Whatever ability a ref is at, I'd like to think they're not conspiring for Coachford to win AOH. Mistake or not we all make them be it players, managers, refs or whoever else.

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He’s getting 50\60 euro a game that s more then the player in the day he was appalling consistently made the wrong call including not given coachford a blatant penalty didn’t say he conspired… coachford are a fine sides and deserve their success.

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Originally Posted by AULboy

I was out there that day watching the game, the ref on the day I won’t name him, coachford had a ball about 6 yards over the line and the ref said it was still in play leading directly to the goal, I refuse to believe he did not see how far over the line the ball was. There afraid of Coachford going MSL and there keeping them in the league

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This is nonsense. The refs have been equally bad for every team this season. Ask any club and they’ll tell you about a crazy decision that went against them. As poor as they are we can’t give out about them too much cos without them there will be no games.

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Originally Posted by latte2012

This is nonsense. The refs have been equally bad for every team this season. Ask any club and they’ll tell you about a crazy decision that went against them. As poor as they are we can’t give out about them too much cos without them there will be no games.

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cod yourself it’s about money with them …

Gone a bit off topic lads.

What we whingin about now.

Rigged leagues.
Biased refs.
All conqering sides who will be favoured.
Being the best team in the worst league in Cork and then making out your streets ahead is some pat on the back to ya kid. What a complement to that team.
Reserrected teams who we all should fear.
Doubles an trebles in the worst league in Cork.

The rest of Ireland must be dreading the Fai an MJC draw . Oh please not an Aul team.

Have I missed something.

Completly lost the run of ourselves.

The league is built on promotion an relegation. End of.

Not ,can I get my friends to join this season.

We are creating the issue for the Aul.

When clubs were clubs we didnt have the issues we have now.

I have major issues with the Aul .

But.....

The Aul dose not award a walkover .

The Aul dose not field an illegal player.

The Aul dose not abuse a ref .

The clubs/players do that.

I am all for pointing the finger , but sometimes you have to look at yourself as well.

Refereeing is a tough gig, if you’re wrong then you’re wrong, if you’re right you’re usually still wrong in the other teams eyes, Jim’s a nice fella but he’s also human, he could be a bit more mobile on the pitch I agree there should be a fitness test but the reality is that we are chronically low on reffs in every league and age, we wouldn’t have any games if not for them. The lads are genuinely trying their best from what I see, I watch a lot of the CBL and trust me they say the same about their referees.

The carry on of some teams lines and players doesn’t help either, some of them aren’t up to standard so it’s the referees fault a lot of the time.
Glenthorn, Knocka, Glen Celtic and Village in particular have been their own worst enemy in terms of reffs going against them with the abuse from their lines.

I would be the first to agree the season went on too long but overall I’ve enjoyed watching this season a lot across all leagues, a lot of the teams seem younger this year so hopefully the standard raises back up in the next few years, try to focus on the positives lads

Ard Na Laoi gave Grattan a walk over , they couldn't field a team.

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Originally Posted by Jason Bourne

Ard Na Laoi gave Grattan a walk over , they couldn't field a team.

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Must be nearly impossible for a team with nothing to play for to field a team at this stage in the year.

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Originally Posted by latte2012

Must be nearly impossible for a team with nothing to play for to field a team at this stage in the year.

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plenty of teams do it. the aul is particularly shambolic at this time of year for teams giving walkovers.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

plenty of teams do it. the aul is particularly shambolic at this time of year for teams giving walkovers.

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Happens ever league.

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Originally Posted by Jd2793

have many posters seen watergrasshill? have they many lads who'd do a job in msl prem/1st?

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Saw them Sunday Right winger got a hatrick and the striker looked very sharp upfront.


Was chatting with a lad in the stand he said they got a few from Fermoy team.

Will watergrasshill show there class and come up to temple tomorrow and watch them lift the cup or will they take the easy way out and not show up

Hi all,

I know nothing about Cork Junior football but just reading through the thread and ye're saying Coachford are way ahead of the rest - if that's the case why would they not join the Munster Senior League?

Have clubs ever moved from AUL to MSL?

In the last few years in Dublin the AUL there has fallen apart because all their clubs have left to join the Leinster Senior League, even though they have to go down to the 5th Division.

Many teams have moved over to MSL.

Many teams over in MSL have brought their junior side into MSL.

It has certainly weekend the AUL.

I feel any club with underage, good facilities and people involved should move over.

Coachford have expressed that it'll take a few years to move up through the divisons in MSL and may be weak by then.

Not off hand. But, a club should probably look to what's best for the future and that does look elsewhere. A few clubs have the underage and facilities, stange there hasn't been a movement by them.

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Originally Posted by Dr. football

Park and Leeside bought relegated from 1st division this season.

The 2nd division is we’re most of the AUL teams are and was a spilt league because of the amount of teams in it . One would assume they will have a 3rd division made up of all the old AUL. Teams next season. Beside Kanturk won 2nd division. All seem to be serving. But they have the facilities and under age structure.

Buttevant, pearse and Killreen really have no business in the MSL and should of stayed AUL!

Buttevant didn’t enter a team after the spilt in 2nd division.

Pearse finished bottom of the 2b

Killreen are down to 1 team in the 3rd division of the junior section!

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Killreen at the time were clearly the second strongest side in the AUL after Park, for whatever reason it didn’t work out for them, made sense for them at the time but a truly disastrous decision

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Originally Posted by AULboy

Will watergrasshill show there class and come up to temple tomorrow and watch them lift the cup or will they take the easy way out and not show up

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It is the right thing to do in most situations but if this is the same Temple that are heading MSL they might think twice about heading up there.

In the 30 years there has not been a single Aul club that has made any sort of serious dent in the MSL. If anything it has actually been a disaster of a move. The facilities got better an the clubs got worse. The MSL 2nd division is a who's who of teams that left for the promised land only to arrive in the desert.

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Originally Posted by fruice

It is the right thing to do in most situations but if this is the same Temple that are heading MSL they might think twice about heading up there.

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I’m sure Watergrasshill do not care if Temple are heading to the MSL, the reason I asked the question is with the cup final being on Sunday would they risk playing the game

Watergrashill can use the game as prep for cup final or give lads a run. It may be useful for a number of reasons.

Lads, those clubs are still best served where they have gone. They are with other teams with good facilities, lads get to play cup games against excellent teams. Like anything, if teams are languishing they need to go a step further and push.

Nothing stopping a team putting in an AUL side too.

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Originally Posted by Play it out

Watergrashill can use the game as prep for cup final or give lads a run. It may be useful for a number of reasons.

Lads, those clubs are still best served where they have gone. They are with other teams with good facilities, lads get to play cup games against excellent teams. Like anything, if teams are languishing they need to go a step further and push.

Nothing stopping a team putting in an AUL side too.

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Inishvilla And Killreen are both junior now how can you say it’s worked out for them

I see Grattan looking for a manager again, with Knocka starting back up could this impact them?

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Originally Posted by Ballwasthere

Park got promoted but I think they’re the only ones who have moved recently who have had any success whatsoever, Killereen was a disaster.

Kanturk, Macroom, Inishvilla, Pearse & Carrigtwohil all moved recently and will not be getting out of the bottom division anytime soon, the grass isn’t always greener. None of those teams were ever really going to challenge for the AUL premier either so it was a strange one

My guess is that the clubs in MSL are more likely to get grants because they can’t be happy middling in the bottom division of any league

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Did Kanturk not get promoted in the last week or so?

They still play on better pitches. Get ready in better facilities. Have far less chance of games called off, walkovers, no refs showing and anything else. It's the interest by club members drives success of a club and not the association.

Corinthians, Ringmahon, Douglas Hall and all the big clubs have had decades of underage and have grown hugely with their facilities. Clubs that have gone over in last 10 years then need to aim for similar. They were never just going to get to the top end.

If Coachford went MSL, GAA would have a bigger impact as lads interest would not be same as they aren't winning as much anymore. I still feel they should go if they want to grow. It mite seem a long way away, but, take 20 years time, Coachford and any club wouldn't want to be relying on AUL football.

Move over, do what you can on pitch. Needs a huge committee effort, academy coaching and pathways. Win the AOH now and be left fall behind football clubs in next decade or make the jump if Committee interest is there to grow? I'd move.

It's hard to decide to push on . Lots of factors at play. Coachford are looking at all the other small town clubs who have tried to push on but it has to have back up an I think they don't. The catchment area for City clubs allows them the ability to survive an turnover players , the country sides don't have that unless they pay an Coachford tried that in years gone by.

Country sides need to move through the divisions an stick together which they can do , but the city sides are built on turnover , buddies an pubs,,,,,Grattan will change manager because its arguably the hardest job in junior football cause they start the season wanting to win everything an know they are up against it straight away,,,,,, Coachford are ahead, Grattan ain't fading away ,,,,,,,be an interesting season to come.

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Originally Posted by fruice

Did Kanturk not get promoted in the last week or so?

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Yeah Kanturk got promoted to the 1st division

I’ve been involved with Kanturk the last 2 years when we went MSL from AUL
It’s the best decision the club has ever made

Better games,better facilities,better organisation

Our last year in AUL we were going up to pitches with glass on the pitch ,which isn’t the AUL fault

AUL were very good for Kanturk down the years
It was just the right time to move and best decision we’ve made as a club

I think one of the key factors in clubs having long term success in MSL is the underage set-up. You need to have to that feeding into the senior team every few years to have any sort of hope of long term success.

Like mentioned above, City clubs have less issues when it's very easy to poach, look at players coming from other under-age set-ups etc. A short spin across the city and you'll pass 20 clubs!

A club like Kanturk for example works very hard to keep the underage teams going year on year, and when you're competing with GAA in a country town, odds are these young fellas won't keep playing once they get to 16-17. They do well to get maybe 2 lads that might keep playing beyond 19-20 years of age with the club.

When people question Coachford's decision whether to go up or not, this is a huge factor to consider.