First Division clubs will only allow Rovers II for 2020 season, if we are to re-introduce the A championship as a 3rd tier surely we will have promotion & relegation this time around?
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First Division clubs will only allow Rovers II for 2020 season, if we are to re-introduce the A championship as a 3rd tier surely we will have promotion & relegation this time around?
I think it's a terrible idea myself. However, I don't remember the outcry the last time. Was it because it were an 8 team division 1 or that there's bigger teams in the division now so people care. If the comments about the A league next year are true then that's a big plus
Not wanting a development team in senior football is minnowism now?
That.. doesn't make any sense.
Not wanting any players born after 2003 certainly suggested a schoolboy agenda for certain clubs. Post Brexit though can all these kids go to the UK now anymore?
Martin Odegaard & Erling Haaland both made their league debuts in Norway at 15 but the FDA would say that you a promising youngster would need to be 17?
The best thing that has come from this is the talk of the reintroduction of the third tier featuring reserve teams. Presumably filled up with Mayo, Kerry, Monaghan, Carlow/Kilkenny and two or three other intermediate teams looking to step up.
I'm willing to bet now that it will be a regional league next year with reserve teams in both,
St Josephs boys can spit their dummy again but they will get to do it after a long period of "constructive dialogue and engagement"
Their reasons behind it are minnowism. They want access to Rovers academy instead of developing their own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
The 2 u-19 leagues will prob become 3rd tier north/south as you cant put the travel costs of going the length of the country on these small clubs.
Next year Limerick takes Rovers spot so FAI can save face in that Rovers B are not in the First Div next season but after that I think B sides should be allowed to get promoted from the 3rd tier to the 2nd but cannot get promoted to Premier Div
100% schoolboy agenda , several of the first division clubs have been led by the nose by a couple of very vocal heads.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
The next battle will be the DDSL trying to get the under 13 league scrapped.
They sent out an expression of interest docc to all schoolboy clubs around the country for the establishment of an under 13 National league to be run by the Schoolboy association.
The dinosaurs running the Schoolboy football are the next set of suits the FAI NUA need to clean out
Schoolboy clubs are trying to protect their interests/cash cow of selling players to England but is that path not now doomed anyway post Brexit or will they still be able to fund themselves this way?
Who knows what will happen with Brexit TBH but hopefully they won't be able to travel until they are 18.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunny Kelly
For the vast majority it is "failure" and mental health and self esteem issues that result in going over to the UK at 15 /16.
For the absolute elite they will still go over as whole families will be transported to the UK where the UK club thinks the player is good enough to invest this money in relocating a whole family.
The problem is the vast bulk that are going over from the likes of Joeys cost the UK clubs virtualy nothing (the Government actually pays the €150 per week they get as part of an employment scheme) so the UK clubs take them and then weed them out.
How did you come to that conclusion, out of interest?Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
It's nothing to do with wanting to value your own product and trying to get attendances through the gates against a reserve team?
Cabinteelys chairman outright said it in an interview a few weeks backQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The Cabinteely chairman said he wanted access to Rovers academy instead of developing their own?Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
This is the same Cabinteely that have probably the largest underage structure in the country?
You cant use away attendances as an excuse for not letting a B team into this Division, Rovers kids will prob get more away support than Athlone, Wexford, UCD, Cabo & Cobh
Also if the Cabo chairman is complaining they are missing out on players to Rovers because of the b team, can Rovers not as easily say they are missing out players now because of Cabo & Bray in the First Division?
I have no vested interest in this but the hypocrisy from some of the clubs is ridiculous
So what happens if a group of fans decide to protest against their club playing Rovers II, & stand outside before the teams arrive? Will players be willing to pass the protest line? As fans we still have this right and as 'stakeholders' the FAI nua should pay more attention to what fans and clubs want. My opinion thus far is that the FAI nua is rubbish and they are just paying lip service to real change.
Cabinteelys chairman said that Rovers II would impact the player pool available to first division clubs, they were almost his exact words, since rovers have made it very clear from the start they don't intend to sign external players for the team I'll let you figure out the restQuote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
The arrogance of some Rovers fans is apparent here for all to see. Look back over recent posts from RathfarnhamHoop and Placid Casual for some of the most obvious examples.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
There is also a normal dose from the club people with many management being either unwilling or unable to say they understand the objections.
Good to see some things never change
Last time you lot stood outside your ground the club put boards up so ye couldn't see in 🤣Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrufil
Genuine question ...what would you be protesting about.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scrufil
Leave aside the integrity of the league question please (Limerick betting scandal / going bust/ cabo playing on a rugby pitch in front of 100 people. Kilkenny city Salt hill devon Graveyard etc etc etc)
This is purely a schoolboy club driven agenda with a few gullible people pulled in.
He'd be better off working on their graphics and content than that nonsense.Quote:
Originally Posted by RathfarnhamHoop
Don't see the issue with Rovers II personally. They're the only club that wanted to or had the resources to do it. Dundalk II would have been allowed to enter as well if the club had any actual interest in youth development outside of handing out the odd token contract for PR purposes.
Perth is on record backing the Rovers II idea although maybe that comment was angling for the Rovers job in the future!!
If it's only 1 outfield first team player allowed what's the big deal!
Under 21s with only 1 outfield player from the senior squad seems reasonable.
I wonder will they just get kicked up and down the pitch all season.
First thing i would do if playing a bunch of 17/18/19 year olds would be to kick them up in the air and see how much they fancied it but then when i played you didnt get a yellow card unless you actually hit someone :) HARD.
Same lad was giving out about rovers putting a team lineup in their highlights videos last season because it was giving away tactical insight, lad either hasn't a clue or has a massive chip on his shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Lilywhites
Funnily enough no first division players have a problem with it either, it's just certain board members making it an issue and everyone and their mother knows what their real motives are.
Back in 2014 season when shamrock rovers B were last in the league I assume the same rules were in place and as said by another poster there was no major fuss at all if my memory serves me right I think it was the small amount of Shamrock Rovers senior players that couldnt make the first team that played in it. I think Dean Kelly was part of that rovers B squad when he played the odd game and he played for us a season later. I think Rovers B have genuine intentions so I think its a good compromise for now.
Way to go is have what we did in 09 season when we had the A championship.
Need to play it very carefully with any resurrection of the A Championship. It died off for several good reasons, and left the league with a massive headache with the situation in Galway. Some form of regionalisation, a limited schedule and strict adherence to licensing for any team's seeking promotion!
Agree with that. The A Championship isn't a panacea for anything. The LoI has a huge problem in that it's largely disconnected from the rest of football in the country, and very few clubs want to play in it. The A Championship doesn't really address those two issues. It just adds another layer of "meh" for the most part.
Wasn't there teams who left their own local leagues to join the A Championship, and then had to rejoin at the bottom of the local rung when it folded? Or am I making that up?
Tralee Dynamos as I recall.
Edit: Yeah, they got bumped down two tiers in the Kerry District League. Strolled their way back to the top, but it was essentially two lost seasons for the club.
That's who I was thinking of alright. Daft stuff
Going to be so very sweet when we win the first division then the FDA demand that we're relegated to the newly created 3rd tier for devaluing the division
Is it actually spelled out anywhere that Rovers can't get promoted? What happens if they end up in a play off spot? I know it won't happen in all probability, just curious.
Yeah they can't be promoted and aren't eligible for play offs so 6th could be enough for play off place in a 10 team league which is ridiculousQuote:
Originally Posted by Longfordian
Well thats down to the low number of teams in the league. Its not as if 5th in a 9 league team getting playy offs would have been better.Quote:
Originally Posted by outspoken
The total arrogance from Rovers supporters is unbelievable. I backed Kram back in the day as did loi supporters from all clubs so I find their lack of understanding or empathy for clubs fighting for their futures.
I don't think Galway v Rovers II is all that comparable to Galway having Terryland sold from under them in fairness.
How on earth are clubs fighting for their futures? What possible detrimental impact could Rovers II have on another clubs solvency?Quote:
Originally Posted by gufct
If anything financially its better for the other clubs. Take the fact it's Rovers out of it. A 10 team league playing each other 3 times with no midweek games is financially better than either a 9 team league playing each other 3 times so losing overall number of games and having weeks with no income, or a 9 team league playing each other 4 times which would mean weeks with no income and midweek games which at that level are almost guaranteed to be break even events at best.
So before you even factor in away fans just having a 10th team is financially better for the clubs. Then on the away fans front Rovers are bringing 40/50 fans on Saturday at least, for the first division that's a decent away crowd, won't happen every week but it will every so often and will financially benefit the home club when it does.
I for one welcome our new Rovers overlords. I have to say I know a lot of the powers that be at LTFC for a good while and have rarely disagreed with the route they've gone down whilst running the club but I just can't see the major problem. It's not ideal by any means but, and I'm being flippant, our new sponsor isn't going to pull out just because Limerick aren't in and Rovers II are. The integrity of the division etc is a nice idea but when it comes down to it at the end Drogs would feck over LTFC, LTFC would feck over Drogs, they'd both feck over Galway etc. Win your matches, finish as high as you can.
I find it funny how one of the reasons Rovers fans are giving as good reason for them to be included is the amount of fans they''ll bring. Last time they were in they brought no one!! How is this going to be any different??
It's not, but they can't see past their own arrogance. In their heads they are the greatest thing to happen to football in this country. That's why they're all on here having a hissy fit that fans of other FD clubs aren't delighted with the privilege of playing the famous green and white hoops in the greatest stadium built by a county councilQuote:
Originally Posted by Town Legend