Similar enough alright. He should have saved it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
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Similar enough alright. He should have saved it imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
Bazunu has already conceded 7 goals against Ireland, and has yet to keep a clean sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Kelleher conceded 3 goals in his 4 pre season games at Liverpool. He may play at the weekend, but even if he doesn't, he will play the League Cup game in a couple of weeks.
Bazunu got the shirt as he was available in the spring when Kelleher was injured, and despite the goals going past him, has held onto it. Kelleher will get senior games for Liverpool this season. Bazunu however, is not up to the level of Scott Carson yet, according to Guardiola.
Surprising that Liverpool don’t let Kelleher go on loan with a Recall Option though for their own and his benefit. He will need to be getting competitive games regularly soon.
That is not correct, it would be fairer to say Guardiola thinks at 36 having Scott Carson on the bench as 3rd keeper is ok as he is not developing and has zero chance of the number 1 jersey and is just happy to have a decent payday (and fair play to him) although ironically with Ederson maybe suspended by Fifa and Steffen out with covid he might get a start this weekend.Quote:
Originally Posted by mypost
On the other hand Bazunu is developing and needs game time hence he is out on loan
Alisson amongst the South Americans cleared to play in the Premier League with no ban applying to him now.
T*ts!Quote:
Originally Posted by Olé Olé
The Power of Powerful Football Clubs / Football FAs flex’s their muscles and get their way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
I think there are some mitigating circumstances with the covid situation. The match those players weren't released for was abandoned after half the Argentinian team were arrested for having breached quarantine - you have to quarantine for 14 days on arrival in Brazil coming from the UK if you're not a Brazilian citizen (because that passport is magic, naturally). I'd be reluctant to release a player into that mess too.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
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Originally Posted by Olé Olé
Kelleher could really do with a loan, he's 23 in a couple of months, at best will get a hand full of games this season.
If he is number 2 at Liverpool, zero chance of a loanQuote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
I hope he gets domestic cup action
A loan with a recall option would be best. Perhaps Liverpool don’t think he is ready for a loan option yet ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
Liverpool are doing what's best for them, not Kelleher. I don't think the two are necessarily the same thing. They just want a solid backup, and I'd say that goes for training as well.
Adrian gives them number 2 cover, and if he doesnt start playing games soon when does he?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
Later?Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
I suppose the only way we find out how highly Liverpool think of Kelleher is if Liverpool’s number One got a long term injury and if Liverpool then went with Kelleher or Liverpool signed another big name goal keeper.
Never?Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
They clearly don't rate him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Exgrad
I don't have a view on whether he's rated or not, but is there evidence for him being "clearly" not rated?
How many PL teams rotate keepers in the PL and CL? Most would only use FA and Carabou Cup games for this and would play their number one keeper week in, week out in the top competitions.
Alisson is far and away Liverpool's number one keeper so I think it'd be unusual for Liverpool to be giving Kelleher much game time.
Kelleher has been on the bench for all 4 of their PL games. Not sure if that means he is number two, or whether Adrian is injured.
Liverpool won't have an FA Cup game until January. I presume Carabou will start for PL teams in a few weeks.
I presumed he meant they don't rate Adrian, which is why they don't want to let Kelleher out on loan.
Kelleher has been preferred to Adrian when Allison was out in the past season or two, so far as I recall. Perhaps I'm overstating that. Someone who keeps a firmer eye on Liverpool might comment?
He consolidated his number 2 position Dec 2020 after his champs league appearance (Ajax) last year along with his premier league appearance (Wolves). He is caught between a rock and a hard place at the moment. He needs senior football experience, but we’ve being saying that for the past 3 yearsQuote:
Originally Posted by John83
ah yes, duh :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Karius is still at Liverpool too despite efforts to ship him out on loan. 23 is still young for a keeper but games are needed.
You would think that will all that went on with Karius that they would just pay up his contract and let both parties move on from a very sorry episode.Quote:
Originally Posted by zero
Wow, I actually didn't realise Karius is still with Liverpool, and he's not even out on loan this year. Surely he'd have done a job for a lower league team given some of the goalkeeping you see on the EFL highlights show.
Some amount of keepers they have, there's a second Brazilian and a Northern Irish keeper who was signed as a training keeper also, you'd wonder what the point of that was.
He rejected a move to Basel due to wage demands. Has a year left on his contract and was also offered an 80% wage for termination which he rejected. Could possibly leave in January or go on emergency loan to the EFL. Certainly a bit mad though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
He’s nominally 4th choice keeper. Then they’ve got 2 young lads out on loan up next (Jaros, Orzinsky). Then 3 keepers at 23s (Pitaluga, Hughes, Kelly) and 3 at 18s (Davies, Mrozek, Hewitson).
Seems like quite a lot of keepers... I guess it’s a demonstration as to how far Kelleher has come to rise to where he is.
He must have overtaken about 20 keepers during his time at the club. Just a shame that Alisson is probably the best keeper Liverpool have had since the days of Ray Clemence.
Even externally, someone made the point on YBIG that the top 6 clubs don't tend to have low grade keepers as their number two or, when they have bought number two they haven't been cheap. Kepa, Steffen, Henderson, Ward, Gollini. They all have caps for Spain, USA, England, Wales and Italy.
How insane is that!! Is balatelli still on the books as wellQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Continues to remind everyone how good he is tonight in the EFL Cup. A couple of saves and a save from a penalty. It wasn't a great penalty. He picked his side and dived to his right but the penalty went down the middle. His trailing feet were there to meet it and make good contact and save the ball. It was a poor penalty but he did well to slow his dive and leave his feet behind to save.
I was actually very impressed with that save, the amount of penalties I've seen where the keeper dives low to the left or right and the ball flies just past their legs low into the middle as they dive away from it - I've often wondered why more keepers don't play the percentages and keep their trailing legs in line with the penalty spot to cover those kind of penalty kicks. Kelleher did just that tonight and saved the penalty.
Arguably he could have done better with the save that led up to the penalty by pushing it around the post rather than palming it back into the area but overall he played very well.
Yeah that save was a bit on the ropey side reminded me of packie against Italy in 1990. Kelleher is class though. Grabara appeared to be more highly related when they were 18 or 19 in the academy so he has done really well to get to the level he is at now. Will be interesting to see what Liverpool will get for him when they sell him but I think there would be plenty of clubs who would pay 15 million plus for him next summerQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Given world cup 2002 comes to mind!Quote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
My thoughts exactly.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Always great to save a penalty but it was a terrible penalty. I've even saved a few like that myself - just to downplay Eirambler's appreciation of it :)
I thought overall he looked really confident and lively. He looks like he thinks he belongs, which is important.
I was just thinking, since I started supporting the team in 1987, we have never had a bad goal keeper. as our number 1
Bonner
Kelly
Keily
Given
Randy
Gavin
Overall we've been lucky with keepers. Only weak period really was probably the later Given years before Randolph took over. Forde got the jersey for a while around then and while he was by no means a bad keeper, I was never fully convinced by him.
If Bazunu is to come in and nail down the jersey for the next 15 to 20 years we could have a case where we have had almost a straight run of just four keepers for close to 60 years.
Pat Bonner 1981-1996 80 caps
Shay Given 1996-2015 134 caps
Darren Randolph 2015-2020 50 caps
Gavin Bazunu 2021-203?
It's not quite as clear cut as that of course, Seamus McDonagh shared the keeper duties with Bonner in the 80s, Alan Kelly had a stint around the handover time between Bonner and Given and Forde had his stint as well, but not far off it all the same.
I'm sure Kelleher has other ideas about Bazunu nailing down the jersey as well.
We were looking a bit thin for cover at times. Wayne Henderson in San Marino springs to mind. Nicky Colgan. Kelham O'Hanlon. Keith Branagan was one who could have featured more. He was really good at Bolton.
Mick Kearns of Walsall was the main guy when I started watching, then Seamus McDonagh. Both rock solid for us. I remember watching "Jim" McDonagh on MOTD as a kid before I knew he was Irish and he was a standout keeper in the old First Division.
Paddy Roche played a few times, maybe just before I started watching.
Also, trying to work out who was our last first choice keeper from Dublin before Bazunu? Randolph is from Wicklow, Given and Bonner Donegal, Kelly and McDonagh are English, Alan Kelly Sr was from Wicklow also I think. Maybe I've forgotten someone. Might be going a long way back to find one from Dublin before Bazunu came along, which is surprising given how many players Dublin provide to the senior team.
not sure either player would agree to that to be honest. you need to read the part in Eoin Hands book that deals with Seamus McDonaghQuote:
Originally Posted by Eirambler
Never read it, worth a look ?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
i enjoyed it. it obviously deals with his time with Ireland in the early 80s when i first became a fan, took everything at face value but was not aware of all the mad stuff going on in the FAI, crooked referees etc!Quote:
Originally Posted by CraftyToePoke
It also deals with the mad trip to south america around the time of the falklands war. also some very difficult personal stuff in it that I wasn't aware of before.
worth a read