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Originally Posted by CityBoy
It's what you do best, Zeke😉Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Vinny Perth has plenty of self-confidence and belief in his own ability with a track record at Dundalk since 2013 to justify that. Don't confuse confidence with ego. I can supply you with some examples of managers with the later if it helps you.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Nonsense, he said nothing even close to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by placid casual
He did say this:
"I'd never be presumptuous. I felt - and probably still feel - that we were a very good team together. I think Stephen is a brilliant manager. I certainly would say what I brought to him helped him be a brilliant manager.
Assuming you mean Vinny Perth ....... most people would be aware that he was the Assistant Manager and Coach to the Dundalk teams that have had outstanding success from 2013 - 2018. Among the honours in that 6 years are 4 league titles, 2 FAI Cups 2 League Cups, a couple of other minor trophies along with some exceptional European performancesQuote:
Originally Posted by swinfordfc
Cone carrier, who Kenny didn't rate, when he had the option
Must’ve carried some amount of cones. It’s funny that it was Kenny who got Perth to go full time with Dundalk and give up his job last year. But you’re right, he didn’t rate him.Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Maybe what Kenny saw when he went full time was behind him ditching him.
Must have been pretty bad as unusual for a manager to dump his side kick
You made up a quote a few posts back about Perth saying Kenny wouldn’t have been a success without him. As pointed out he said no such thingQuote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Once I read that it’s obvs your a wum
Think you need to try Specsavers, not my post.
Don't be getting offended at me over vinnie getting ditched, it was Kenny who dumped him.
I only read the independent article that summarised his quotes because I have little to no interest in hearing him talk about how great he is but one thing stood out for me. I may have gotten it out of context so apologies if thats the case.
He mentioned that he "would have the same ambitions" as Stephen Kenny. Great. What are you doing about that? Why didn't you apply for a Pro License in the past? Why were you happy to be a part time coach (for a successful team) if you have that ambition until relatively recently? I can have ambitions to win the lottery but if I don't buy a ticket its never gonna happen. I can have an ambition to be an astronaut but I need to be working on an engineering or science degree among other things.
I also appreciated his comments that the reasons he didn't get the job as Ireland Senior/U21 assistant manager were because of cost and his lack of a big name. If Kenny liked you enough as a coach they would have found a way to get you on the staff Vinny. Thats not to say that you can't go on and prove yourself worthy but you do not have the track record, qualifications or even ambition of Stephen Kenny who has been managing for over 20 years now and was willing to get his hands dirty with an unfancied regional team in the first division. He has moved to Derry and Scotland in order to realise that ambition and when his stock took a bit of a tumble due to bad results in Scotland and in Tallaght he took on another job with a team who didn't have a tonne of resources.
You Mr. Perth on the other hand have only worked as an assistant or a caretaker since your playing career ended 12 years ago, and you have only worked for clubs you had a playing career with and so were already familiar with. You get some credit for joining that same Longford team Kenny took over as manager at but less so because you were a player there. If you had any real ambition you'd have gone to some god awful team to get your managerial career started. Your managerial career only exists because of luck and circumstances. You took over the best team in the country with the most resources which to be fair adds pressure but also makes it much easier to succeed. You will get some credit if you win the title but not as much as if you had built a team from scratch like Kenny did several times over.
If I was gonna describe Perth based on the quotes I read (possibly out of context) in this interview in one word, that word would be delusional. Apologies for the rant, I originally only planned to write a few lines but it got away from me very quickly.
The obsessed about have become the obsessive...Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
But yet you write a ridiculously long post about him. Could be a great post (doubt it though) but my life isn't sad enough yet to read all thatQuote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
But it is sad enough to reply?Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
Dude ;):DQuote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
For a chap who admits he has little interest in the subject you certainly have a lot to say - and frankly much of it is ill informed.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
Vinny has shown plenty of commitment and ambition - he left the security of a good career to go full-time with Dundalk in June 2018, and has combined a demanding external career with coaching since he joined Dundalk in January 2013. His success in that time has been phenomenal. The enormous time demands of combining these two meant the 18-month pro licence course was not feasible previously; as you may know he is now on the current pro course.
You have chosen to make comparisons between VP and one of the most successful managers in the league's history on the basis of VP saying "he has the same ambitions". That clearly does not make any sense - ambition is not the same as a track record of achievement. Time will tell about his ability to step up to another level.
You might hope he fails, and presumably that would colour your view.
There is a lot of faith in his abilities in Oriel Park and his say-it-as-it-is style is fast gathering him cult status with fans of the club
I'm sure I can't be alone in suspecting that Ez's contribution here would have been very different if it was Bradley talking, not Perth.
It's not the same thing though. Bradley has spent a lot of money at Rovers and achieved nothing. He has nothing to brag about. Budget up again this year, league or bust for him.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Perth has been an important part of the most successful LOI team ever. Confidence and belief is what got this team where they are. Perth as part of this setup from the beginning has that, don't misinterpret it like most have
Hoo ha.....I love the smell of creeping fear in the morningQuote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
You know f**k all about the Rovers budget so don't embarrass yourself further by using it as a deflection from the point made by pineapple stu.
Perth has moved from being the monkey to being the organ grinder.
We wait with baited breath to see how he handles it, particularly the European campaign, because you can be $hit-sure that is what your American owners are looking closely at.
If Kenny rated perth he would have brought him with him, hence the falling out,.
It doesn't mean he isn't a good coach Kenny may not be right after All.
Although given how reluctantly he was given the top job I'd say peak6 agree with kenny
I'd love to try some of whatever you're smokingQuote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
For once I agree 100% with youQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
If Bradley was saying something like this
"What he brought to me helped me be a brilliant coach. I believe we were a very good team together.
I would be doubled up with the laughter.
Dundalk fans aren't going to like this, one in particular, and maybe some Rovers fans won't either but I can see a lot of similarities between Perth and year one Bradley. Both coaches (note not managers) thrown in at the deep end in terms of managerial jobs, both saying stuff that when in context isn't actually too bad but when you selectively pick out quotes look really cocky and arrogant, both start with clear ideas about how they want to play but needing to learn the game and player management side of things. So there's a lot of similarities there and I don't think people can really argue that Bradley hasn't improved in his game and player management (latter probably being a strong point just now) and in giving less quotes that could be used against him, it remains to be seen how quickly and well Perth can pick those things up.
I personally prefer that coaches speak like this, much more insightful and entertaining than the cliche bingo you get once managers cop on to the stick they get from the sad *******s who bookmark quotes to bring up months later and analyse every word to see how they can manipulate it to take it out of context so they can use it as a stick to beat the managers with so the managers just become bland media trained robots.
Lol I'm doubled up with laughter at your annoyance at vinny ability being questioned.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ezeikial
Pity king Kenny doesn't agree with you that he is any good
4 Rovers replies in 13 minutes, you boys are eager. Just keep telling yourselves your happy with 2nd and closing the gap, you might start believing it.
Big money being spent and no trophies to show for it.....
Lol big money, we are paupers trying to run a proper academy. 4th biggest budget :)
Sensitive about poor vinnie you boys, imagine if we went on as much as EZ .
Peak 6 won't wait long.
Stephen Kenny was a very successful manager long before Perth came on the scene. It's not clear at all what Perth has added to things which justify thoughts of being the senior national manager. I don't doubt that he's a decent coach, and the idea of an untried coach following his manager into the dugout is certainly far from unusual (UCD's last three managers were their predecessor's assistants).Quote:
Originally Posted by mcgonigle
But I stand by the suggestion that Dundalk fans' treatment of Perth's statement is very different to how they'd treat something similar from Rovers
I have to hand it to you - your posts are increasingly desperate with inventing things, even if there is a touch of (unintended) humourQuote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Where did you get the notion that VP thinks he has the track record to be the senior national manager?
.......and so you should. I have already agreed with you and I don't see anyone contradicting you.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Stu is right you twist every word that bradser ever said to a degree that bores everyone.
And vinnie did say when Kenny was being talked about as being the Ireland manager he thought of himself as being the next one...lol
Your exact words “He said words to the effect of "without me Stephen Kenny would not have been successful".Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
He never said any such thing
Neither did sbgawaQuote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Lol you do realise people can go back a few pages and read what was said ??Quote:
Originally Posted by dundalkfc10
Maybe it's not Specsavers you need ,it's remedial English reading classes
None of us would ever go back and have to read anything again if we had someone of Perth's incredible abilities assisting us.
I'm worried about the under 21's tommorow.
How will Kenny manage?
What if he has a backache and can't pick up the cones, where is vinnie when he needs him most :)
I'd imagine the only reason Perth wasn't brought into the U21 fold is because the FAI wouldn't pay to get him out of his contract and they probably wanted to put Jim Crawford and Keith Andrews in anyway. I wouldn't be surprised in any way if Stephen brings in Vinny when he takes over the national side, but again the association might have their own people they want to impose.Quote:
Originally Posted by Yossarian
There's also the possibility that Stephen wants to see his friend succeed as a head coach so decided not to put him in that position, but based on Perth's comments I'd say it's the FAI meddling and not allowing their U21 coach to pick his own staff.
Maybe he did. It's expensive and, from what I know, the FAI want assurances a LOI coach has a job lined up.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
I have to say I thought VP came across ok in that interview, seemed quite relaxed, he did talk himself up a bit mind! I get the point if this had been Bradley though, and a reaction from DFC fans.
Anyone can talk all they want about it, but at the end of they day VP will be judged on primarily one thing really, if he can retain the league, (europe also) but not winning the league this year will obviousy not be a good start for him.
"Stephen Kenny?
I made Stephen Kenny."
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Off to a very poor start already without a ball being kicked as he hasn’t named Trevor Clarke in the starting line up .Quote:
Originally Posted by sbgawa
Leheys been caught a couple of times already, Clarke should be on.
Good finish by Idah. Needed that goal, Luxemburg were com ijng him to it.