On for the last 9 minutes, not sure why Martinez left it so late as they were getting overrun in midfield.
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On for the last 9 minutes, not sure why Martinez left it so late as they were getting overrun in midfield.
Probably his fitness levels are so low he only needs 10 minutes of game time to make that fitness improvement.
I only started watching about 15 mins ago and I can't believe its 3-0 to Everton.
Hard to credit but we have 4 of our players out there with Everton, that's some kind of record isn't it?
Don't tell Paul O'Shea, he'll take only 10 minutes as proof he's not going to make it at Everton.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
How many did we have out with Stoke, 3?Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Think Gibbos first pass was a poor one gave the ball away, but had a half decent shot on
goal right after.
McGeady has looked useful in the bits and pieces of the game I have seen.
Where are the pedants when you need them?Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
We need answers.
4-0 now, the only one of the four English sides to give a good account of themselves against German opposition. In fact, the only English team in European competition to impress.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Wilson Whelan Walthers Ireland?
Anyway, was Coleman involved in a clash of heads?
I had popped out to the shops but seen some talk in the chat box about some head injury?
Coleman off to a standing ovation ( that was when there was mention of some clash of heads).
Now I have just realised the game was on ITV4 when I was watching on a crappy stream!!
They should show the highlights, so I will record that.
Ireland wasn't involved the European season, was he? Even then, the three Stoke Irish weren't all first team regulars and Stoke didn't play a full team in Europe, whereas with Everton there are three nailed on starters and one who could still force his way in.
Coleman just got the whack of a Wolfsburg player's head, but he didn't seem to be concussed.
You need some focus in your life, Tricky.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
You need to get one.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Fight!
Watched the full game. McCarthy was absolutely excellent throughout the match and was for me comfortably man of the match. Efficient in front of the back 4, made very good use of the ball, and when he ventured forward created momentum time and again. Interplay for Naismith's goal was superb. Made one incredible goal saving tackle on Aaron Hunt late on when a goal was certain. McGeady played very well, and played some superb balls across the pitch and through the channels. Linked well with Coleman. Coleman was his usual impressive self, but less so than the other two. Everton looked good at times.
From what I saw of the game I would agree, I was impressed with McCarthy (pretty rare for me) and McGeady, didn't seem much of Coleman a partQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
from the goal, I have the game downloaded so I may watch more of it if I have the time. - Just seem where Coleman took a know to the head,
was not much really, the McGeady penalty seemed to be just outside.
James McCarthy tackleQuote:
Originally Posted by Kingdom
To be fair, it's nothing compared to John Stones' tackle that followed.
Good question, after some investigation, I came up with this: http://irish-abroad.appspot.com/Blog...70032691016583Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Everton had 4 of our players (current squad members) out on the pitch.
Stoke only had 3, the 3Ws.
that's true, and none of the Dundee players were capped.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
a few people mentioned Hull, they had Brady, Long, Meyler, Quinn and McShane in the matchday XVI against Trencin earlier this year, but only Long and Brady played in the home leg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgz1TpIgcLs
Highlights from the Everton game, particularly liked the flick from McCarthy at 0.10 and again at 0.22 from a closer angle,
was a touch of class.
Unsure how good the German team are, they have drawn 2 and lost one I think leaving them mid table in the Bundesleague.
They were pretty good actually. They had a lot of the play but missed plenty of chances. Howard was in good form.
Martinez is a top class manager. His players seem to like playing for him and he plays good football to watch.Quote:
Originally Posted by tricky_colour
Everton*named a strong side for their Europa League win over Wolfsburg on Thursday but make five changes to their starting XI, including a first start for Samuel Eto'o in attack. Other players coming in to the line-up are midfielders Leon Osman, James McCarthy and Christian Atsu. Seamus Coleman is missing and so Sylvain Distin returns after a back injury to take his place in defence.
looks like martinez took my advice and is focusing his strongest side in europa league.
That's one way of looking at it.
Maybe he is saving his strongest side for the Premiership?
McCarthy involved in both Everton goals but was quiet enough apart from that. Decent cameos by Gibson and Doyle. Delaney part of a resolute Palace backline; the commentators couldn't stop singing his praises.
That's a feather in Delaney's international cap.
I'll whisper it, but Everton look like they could do with a defender.
Top, top advice Paul :)
Stones really is no Coleman. In fact, I'm not convinced he's even a Ciaran Clark.
Martinez would be well suited in NFL where he could be the offensive coach....
I wonder if Roy Keane is the offensive coach at Villa?
Bit unfair I think. Everton play attacking football but they've shown themselves well capable of defending in the past. I just think he had one defender in Distin who shouldn't have played because he wasn't fit, and another in Stones who was playing in the wrong position. Had Coleman been fit, I think they'd have had players in their right positions and they'd have been more solid.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
I'm not so sure about that Charlie. In six competitive games this season, they've kept one clean sheet: away to West Brom. If my calculations are correct, in those six games their scoring record is: Goals scored: 15, Goals against: 14 (+1). It is something which was plainly evident in pre-season and has continued into their season proper. A dangerous oversight, perhaps, on Martinez's part for not identifying the problem. It's no good spending truck loads on a player like Lukaku if you are thin at the back.
A look at their defenders tells its own story. Distin (36), despite his best efforts, is past it, Alcaraz (32) isn't good enough for a team with European pretensions, Jagielka's (32) powers are on the wane and Stones (20) is incredibly overrated. It's obvious, too, that the strengths of Coleman and Baines lie primarily in their attacking prowess.
They have looked badly organised and don't seem to have a leader at the back. Shane Duffy is exactly the type of defender they could use at the minute. A no-nonsense stopper who takes charge of the back line, who makes blocks, wins his headers and tackles. He might be slightly limited when it comes to distribution in comparison to the others, but he's no slouch either. I would say that it's no coincidence Blackburn picked up their first clean sheet of the season against Fulham with Duffy making his first start (check his rating here*). I think Martinez missed an opportunity, but only time will tell.
* The stats make for interesting reading. He was noted for his effective blocks and clearances while with Yeovil last season, but in the game against Fulham, his passing was relatively good too.
Good points all, Predator. I think keeping Alcaraz and getting rid of Duffy was a mistake, especially given the age profile of the squad. Ideally, I think Martinez would have Baines-Jagielka-Stones-Coleman and that is their most solid quartet, but as I alluded to earlier, I don't think Stones is as good as he's been made out to be. Distin is a super player at full tilt but this was his first game back. To be honest, while Duffy's passing isn't his strength, it's not Jagielka's either. Alcaraz and Distin are better passers.
http://thescore.thejournal.ie/james-...89679-Sep2014/
Why McCarthy and Coleman are so important to Everton.
I think martinez requires two very solid and fast cbs to cover. I don't think any of his teams ever had that though.
Distin and Jagielka were last season. Stones will probably be better this season, but they should still have held on to Duffy as Alcaraz is murder.
Coleman out of the derby so Hibbert starts for the first time in almost two years. McGeady and Gibson on the bench as Martinez goes with more defensive players in midfield.
McGeady on now for Mirallas, who has done his hamstring for the second time in a few months.
Melancholic voice aside, the guy on NBC (Jim Beglin?) is a good commentator.
Gibson "fully-fit" now and can't get in ahead of Besic, despite having the edge on experience for games like these.
Might be more mobile but Liverpool still giving them a bit of a runaround at times and the Everton defence are leaving oceans of space at times. Think Liverpool will score a (couple?) eventually but Everton do look decent on the counter too.
Naismith a tidy player again and even with Mirallas gone off and McGeady making a good first impression, they still have (Atsu?) to call upon.
*Just looked it up and Atsu isn't even on the bench*
Such an array of attacking options they have! And a rickety defence.
Besic has been fully fit all year and Martinez is going more defensive to stem the flow of goals against, so Besic makes a bit of sense. He's probably better suited to rotate with McCarthy for the advanced position. He's looked like the weak link so far.