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Originally Posted by EastTerracer
a blooper,
at least Wedge sounds meatier and rhymes with Sledge.
Interview with Given on Man City's site about his progress to date: http://www.mcfc.co.uk/News/Team-news...art-the-season
Anyone else got serious concerns that Hart might be City's number 1 next season?
if shay is back in time for August then he will start off at no. 1. a bit of competition for the GK shirt cant hurtQuote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Hart will probably get the nod in League Cup/FA Cup games but I can't see him playing more Premier League or Europa League games than Given.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
No doubt if Hart is at citeh next season, the english media will be putting some pressure on him being made no 1.
They were doing the same thing when Given was signed. If Hughes can ignore them then Mancini can too. Fact is that experience is vitally important at the top level and the Italians know that better than anyone. I wouldn't say Hart is incapable of playing his way into the team but it's still Given's shirt to lose for me.
I would say that it is a possibility, especially if Hart was somehow to claim the English No 1 at the world cup. If he did well and if the unbelievable (I hope unbelievable) happened and England were to win it or nearly win it then there would be gigantic pressure for Hart to be the City No 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
If I were the England manager I might pick Hart as my No 1. He lacks in experience but there are drawbacks with his other two options as well. Hart had a very good season for Bermingham so both posssibilities are not beyound the bounds of er possibility.
Not worried. You cant seriously have a keeper of Given's stature as an understudy. If hart is looking their number 1 they'll either sell Given or loan him out. It would be a bad bad idea to have him on the bench
City signed Hart 4 years ago from Shrewsbury, and he's still only 23. He's definitely in their long term plans as their number one goalkeeper. He'll challenge Given next season, but it'll be at least 2 seasons before he can seriously think of overtaking him
Frankly, I am not worried whether he'll be No 1 or No 83. I just want him to make a full recovery from what is a serious injury for a keeper. The rest will look after itself.
Mancini is in a very tough situation with this one, hart having such a fabulous season is a real headache for him although a good one, we all know shay wants to play every single game, as stu taylor found out last year but there is no way harty will be content to sit on the bench for two years after having another season under his belt, one of these will have to give after this year and neither will take a loan deal unless city offer hart massive money to come back in 2012/2013. Very hard to say wholl move on.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
If Given isn't 100 per cent fit by training camp, I could see Hart winning the starting job.
That said, Mancini seems to really rate Given, and regularly made him captain when Toure was unavailable for selection. I think I remember reading something about Mancini saying that Given was one of the best five goalkeepers in the world.
By all accounts Given is making a rapid recovery though, so touch wood he'll be ready for us in September and keeping his place at Man City.
i think hart might tempt a club like arsenal if given remains no1. given is def top 5 in the world, and still has a few good years left. mancini would do really, really well to keep hart as a no2Quote:
Originally Posted by irishfan86
Mate of mine met himself, keane, duff and carr in new york out for duffers stag night. He said shay was in flying form. Good news
Surely if Hart was the a better keeper than Given he would be starting every game for England. But he is not. Green and James are ahead of him and I don't know any journalist or coach, even English ones, who would be so biased as to put either of them ahead of Given. So If Hart is behind this pair, there is no way he will displace Given in the near future. He is stilll very much a work in progress, and I would not be surprised to see him going on loan or being sold in the summer.
The english Keeper is probably capellos hardest decision for the world cup...on form it would have to be hart, experience wise obviously james but Green has started the most games recently, Hart is playing well at the moment but was very prone to mistakes, it will be interesting to see if he gets a go at the world cup as i think there is very little between the 3, either way my arguement is City want to keep hart in the long term and he wont stay there for more than a year not playing,Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
that said i think shay will retain the jersey this year, and if he ever decides to come for a cross he will hold it for 2 or more seasons
While Hart isn't the finished article just yet, he's still very very good. If I were giving out the award for top keeper in the Prem this year I'd pick Hart.Quote:
Originally Posted by drummerboy
interview with Given, including an update on his recovery so far here: http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereven...ce_not_a_given
Manchester City will have two options if Shay makes a full recovery:
1) Loan Hart out again for the entire season
2) Sell Given to any one of the other nineteen Premiership clubs who would be happy to have him as their starting 'keeper.
Good news that he's not depressed?Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelmusic
Meant it as in if he was out on a stag in the states and full of beans i'd take it he was happy about his recovery. Couple of days after i posted that he came out and said it was all looking good. Was just saying :P
Would you prefer him to be depressed?? :confused::confused:Quote:
Originally Posted by kev mcq
how can you say they would be happy to have him as their starting keeper?How come all of those clubs havn't tried to sign him in the past so?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Don't get me wrong, I think Given is the best in England, and possibly the world, but to state that all clubs would be happy to start him smacks of looking through those green tinted glasses
well then, what clubs wouldn't start him ahead of their current keeper?Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
Well I don't ever remember Man Utd, Liverpool, Arsenal, Chelsea, or Aston Villa putting in bids for him while he was at Newcastle. Therefore I 'd say its safe to assume that all nineteen other clubs would not be happy to start him.
Again, I reiterate my point that I believe he is the best, but its obvious that not all premier league managers believe that. So to suggest City can let him go and Given will walk into any other premier league team he wants is just bravado
Just because every club in the Premiership didn't put in a bid for Zinedine Zidane doesn't mean he wouldn't start for them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
As tets said, pick a team in the premiership that would have Given on the bench? Even Petr Cech has been questionable.
Given is far better than Cech in my opinion.However, Given was available to buy, and was good value and none of them came in for him. Now if if for example Wenger didn't buy him back when he was available then, why would he now when he is older. Likewise Fergie, etc. So to state that he would start in any of the other premier league teams is if City let him go / sold him is a bit presumtiousQuote:
Originally Posted by joe_denilson
Wegner's an idiot when it comes to keepers though and Fergie's not much better. Wegner got lucky in inheriting Seamen and hasn't replaced him yet, Arsenals would have another couple of titles had he followed his interest in Given up rather then deciding he was too small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Den Perry
And I'd ask why didn't Fergie go for Van der Sar when he was available and went to Fulham but go for him a couple of years later to answer the second point.
Given was very settled in Newcastle and probably could have shown more ambition in looking for a move earlier. He had a sister living over there and his missus was a local so had a lot of family around him. I think he kidded himself that Newcastle could come good (qualified for a couple of Champions Leagues and cup finals while he was there) until it became glaringly obvious that they wouldn't.
But I agree, it does seem strange that no one made a serious offer for him, his height is the only reason I can think of other then the fact that goalkeeping isn't as valued in England as it is in Italy or Spain, managers of English clubs would never have splashed out the sort of money Buffon went for for example.
I agree Wenger is stupid when it comes to keepers and I take your point about Ferguson and Van de Sar.I'd have Given ahead of any of them. I suppose the point I'm trying to make is that not all Premier League managers think the same, and that if City for some mad reason let him go, I wouldn't be as confident in the poster above that he would start with all 19 other teamsQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
:rolleyes: What do you think? I was implying that just because he was in flying form on a stag, which people tend to be you know, that it didn't mean it was great news for his prospects of a quick return to action.Quote:
Originally Posted by WexCar
Not really relevant to his footballing career, but Shay figures pretty prominently in this Man City video, where they talk about a football pitch City have built on the roof of a school in a lower income neighbourhood in Harlem.
Thought it was pretty cool:
http://www.mcfc.co.uk/Carousel?id=8a...33265b2&play=1
That's quite heavy praise from the local chap for a man who said, "China and India are gagging for football content to watch and we’re going to tell them that City is their content. We need a superstar to get through that door. Richard Dunne doesn't roll off the tongue in Beijing."
Is that Vladimír Weiss? I thought he was a young Irish lad. His accent is quite strange and there sounds to be a heavy Irish influence there. Maybe he was Stephen Ireland's room-mate or something.
That's Weiss, yeah. Quite a strong Manchester accent I think, maybe a hint of Irish in his word choice.
That Lexington guy and Gary Cooke... what is it Dunphy said about Sven and Garth Crooks? "That's the first time I've seen sex between two men on the BBC."
He obviously hasn't watched a video of himself, Giles and O'Herlihy: a threesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Has Given recovered from his injury? I worry about that as he, Dunne and Keane are the three vital cogs in the team.
He's been training with Manchester City during their tour of the US but I believe it's only jogging and fitness work at the moment. He hopes to be back in full training over the next week or two according to this link https://goal.com/en-gb/news/article?contentId=2027573Quote:
Originally Posted by OwlsFan
He was talking about the Argentina game a couple of weeks ago but I suspect that might be a bit too soon for him
Shay is going to play the second half tonight against Club America. It's half time now.
Saved two penalties in the shoot-out.
Sit down Joe......Shay is the number 1
http://www.skysports.com/story/0,195...284346,00.html
Hopefully you are right but there is more positive things said about Hart than Given in those quotes - SSN and journalist licence me thinks, though as long as Shay proves he's 100% fit - its his shirt to lose.
"Joe Hart will be first-choice goalkeeper for the next 10 years for England," said the Italian coach.
"I don't know if he will be my first-choice, it depends. I will pick the players who deserve to play.
"I don't know if I will rotate the players, it depends. At the start of the season I will decide who is No. 1.
"Shay is not fit at the moment. He is not 100 per cent ready to go in goal but we must wait and be patient because it was not a small problem, it was a big problem two months ago and we have a month more."