Bohs SCP discussion

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Rovers have activly supported foras in Cork and Drogs moves to become a community club ,Bohs are the only club refusing enter the real world

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If you are suggesting that the situation at Cork is better than the situation at Bohs then you are seriously deluded and I would recommend you ask any Cork fan about it. Still a lack of clarity around Drogs current position so difficult to comment too definitively, my point was that shams don't appear too concerned about (possible/alledged/etc) breaches of finanacial regulations there thus showing the "concern" about Bohs alledged transgretions to be little more than oppurtunism.
by the way, unlike shams I would wish nothing but the best for all clubs in finanacial difficulties (real or imagined) we are all in the League together.

Bohemian FC is a member owned club slightly (!!!!!) longer than shams so if Cork or Drogheda want any advice I doubt they will go to a club that previously slagged off member owned clubs in their match day programme.

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Originally Posted by dong

So if you are such a big club where are your trophies from the last few years and why can't you afford your own ground?
Just a point. Whatever about calling us a small club, Pats have had much more success than you over the last few years.
This "small club v big club" argument is a joke in the league of Ireland context when every club is only one bad season away from disaster.
Surely you must know that by now.

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Dont believe in small clubs in the League (all have a history, fanbase etc and add something to the League) but there are certainly a few small minds about ;)

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Rovers have activly supported foras in Cork and Drogs moves to become a community club ,Bohs are the only club refusing enter the real world

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if that includes allowing racist fans & hooligan directors then tell us how, oh great leader

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Trust me there is no misjudgement at all around the "interest" taken by Shams in relation to Bohs. It is almost exclusively petty, small minded gossip reguritated from the bowels of the always-ultra website or wishful thinking by begruders.)

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Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

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That's not actually true. (Couldn't be bothered going to through the thread to were this was pointed out previously), but the again that isn't any different to the majority of posts by Shamrock fans on this thread.

Thread title should just be changed to Bohs/Fenlon Rumours or alternatively What's going on at Bohs courtesy of Shamrock's fans.

[QUOTE=Jicked;1311794]Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through.

Ì`ve no idea as your message board has been private members access only for some time now. The last time I had access to it they were ridiculing the notion that PF would be considered for the job by DUFC

There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs.

Now we`re getting somewhere , cold hard facts....and they are?

So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one?QUOTE]

Proved right about which rumour? That Fenlon can walk free from Bohs for breach of contract?
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Fenlon stays with Bohs after getting 90k bonus paid?
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Fenlon signs two year deal with DUFC?

None of the above rumours have come to pass.
We`ve also had to put up with dross from Hooped rumour mongers aided and abetted by some Stillorgan Road Tech perennial undegrads on this Forum about our budgets being based on three trophy wins and dodgey deals with Development companies to evade the SCP, being sued by Liam Carroll, not getting a fee for Deegan etc etc etc . Each and every one a malicious fabrication, so I think we can be forgiven for being sceptical about any "rumours" coming from a hooped direction.

I think its regrettable that the focus of this thread has been on responding to the unsubstantiated rumours/lies rather than on the real achievement of ordinary League of Ireland fans in raising tens of thousands of Euro in 2009 to keep our club successfully in business against the odds within the 2009 SCP.

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Originally Posted by Jicked

Can you not accept that the ultras messageboard quite clearly posted details of the Fenlon/Dundee Utd story before they became public knowledge the whole way through. There's cold hard facts to back that up, it simply can't be brushed aside as bs. So if they were proved right about all other aspects of that deal, could they not also be correct about the final one? I say they could be believed at this stage having been proved to have insider knowledge the whole way through. If it is true, then I'm sorry but it does raise serious questions as to Bohs budget for this season. How can you not see this and just brush it aside as idle speculation and nothing to be worried about?

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the always ultras message board is somewhere I have never been or want to be but the "details" posted here were that Bohs were in breach of contract and that Nutsey WOULD walk for free.
Now whatever world you are living in this did not occur on Planet Earth.
it is true that there was some outstanding bonuses, but this was, believe it or not, known beyond the confines of Tallaght
Those of us who did not accept the above (bolded) line will hardly accept any more "facts" from such an unreliable source.

PS wrong thread but as long as it is having a go at Bohs.......:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

the always ultras message board is somewhere I have never been or want to be but the "details" posted here were that Bohs were in breach of contract and that Nutsey WOULD walk for free.

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Yeah, well, it hasn't, um, not happened yet, has it?

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Originally Posted by Dalymountrower

We`ve also had to put up with dross from Hooped rumour mongers aided and abetted by some Stillorgan Road Tech perennial undegrads on this Forum...

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I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

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Originally Posted by pól-dcfc

Yeah, well, it hasn't, um, not happened yet, has it?

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Ehhhhh whats the question again ? my point was that what was predicted by the shams (Nutsey would go to Dundee for nothing due to breach of contract) did not happen. This was in response to post claiming the shams "rumour machine" was accurate. :p

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Originally Posted by John83

I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

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Sure arent yisser all the same :eek: To be fair some posters here have raised fair questions and some bohs posters have tried to respond (with our limited knowledge) but unfortunately the wind up merchants made a farce of it with unsubstanciated rubbish.
Nobody from UCD would ever indulge in WUMMING :)

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Originally Posted by marinobohs

Bohemian FC is a member owned club slightly (!!!!!) longer than shams so if Cork or Drogheda want any advice I doubt they will go to a club that previously slagged off member owned clubs in their match day programme.

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So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people? None of this happened of course, both clubs are waiting to approach Bohs.

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Originally Posted by John83

I realise that someone who can't tell a university from a technical college can't really be expected to be able to count, but Pineapple Stu is, in spite of his finest creative accounting, still just one person.

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I agree, if i`d gone to a Tech my numerative skills might be a bit better, sadly I went to Belfield, undergraduate and post -graduate. That means I reserve the right to slag it off

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Originally Posted by hoopy

So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people?.

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But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!

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Originally Posted by hoopy

So that must've been an imaginary meeting up in Drogheda where some of our board spoke to Drogheda fans? Also fairy tale stuff that Foras have been getting advice from same people? None of this happened of course, both clubs are waiting to approach Bohs.

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We are all aware that shams "invented" the members owned club in 2005 (previous quotes about 50 pound directors were the OTHER crowd :rolleyes:) I never said either club was waiting to approach Bohs just suggested that a club which previously slagged off memebers owned clubs is hardly the place to go for advice about same.
Perhaps (given experience here) shams think membership entitles them to run every club in the League but afraid it isn't true.

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!

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Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die ,throw in a couple of decades of blood sweat and tears from those individuals and a bit of luck then you might just have enough trojan fans left who would take out personal loans to try and wrangle a deal with the revenue and other creditors,at this point if you have become an integral part of a huge working class community through educational and sporting scholarships ,charity work etc and you have grown your schoolboy section in said area well the local council just might see it in their intrest to finish a ground for ya,

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die ,throw in a couple of decades of blood sweat and tears from those individuals and a bit of luck then you might just have enough trojan fans left who would take out personal loans to try and wrangle a deal with the revenue and other creditors,at this point if you have become an integral part of a huge working class community through educational and sporting scholarships ,charity work etc and you have grown your schoolboy section in said area well the local council just might see it in their intrest to finish a ground for ya,

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I don't care. I still don't like ye.

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

I don't care. I still don't like ye.

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By the way we pay an anual six figure rent ,free stadium yeah right.

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Originally Posted by SligoBrewer

We do all that. For free.

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Dont remember anything like our situation happening in sligo,when was that?

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Dont remember anything like our situation happening in sligo,when was that?

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No, we never had to leave The Showgrounds.

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Originally Posted by Rovers1

But sure every club wants to know how to get someone else to pay off all your debts and a free stadium to go with it!

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Become a member to find out the secret:

http://www.shamrockrovers.ie/members

That'll be a no then...

[QUOTE=RoversHead;1311972]Step one would be to become Irelands most succesful football club thus creating a sporting institution that just enough people wont let die

It did die, its a completly new club since 2005 and is nothing to do with the club that won all the trophies, the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

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Originally Posted by Knappagh Red

It did die, its a completly new club since 2005 and is nothing to do with the club that won all the trophies, the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

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If you ask most shamrock fans about their previous dealings with creditors, revenue etc. they will try claim the moral high ground & point out how that club was killed off, has nothing to to with them & the current set up is a new club.

However if you ask them what the club has won they will list off all their successes since the club was founded.

How is it a new club? It was examinership, not liquidation wasn't it?

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Originally Posted by Knappagh Red

must be the only club in the world called after a weed

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could be worse, we could be a club called after a club named after a weed.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Why waste your time?

Tactic is to deflect, put words in peoples mouths and go crying to the mods.

Their club is dying and the best they can do is try and score inane points. Not one comment on the substance of WHY the FAI rejected their budget.

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It hurts, right? Still really really hurts doesnt it. Losing a league to your traditional rivals, that is.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Why waste your time?

Tactic is to deflect, put words in peoples mouths and go crying to the mods.

Their club is dying and the best they can do is try and score inane points. Not one comment on the substance of WHY the FAI rejected their budget.

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Absolutly ,that SKSTU bloke must hold the record for reporting posts on this mb,I work with two Bohs members who freely admit they dont know whats going on most of the time at Dalymount but this Canadian keyboard jockey has his finger on the pulse,yeah right.

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Originally Posted by Knappagh Red

the only thing in common is the silly name, must be the only club in the world called after a weed

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Em... Partick Thistle (and Inverness Caledonian Thistle for that matter)?

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Not really, Rovers bottled it at the end, and that hurts.

But there is an issue about cheating that needs to be adressed, and last season, you were it.

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Can you not just let it go. Your board went crying to the papers/FAI & nothing was found. The chip on your shoulder regarding Bohs at this stage is comical.

If bohs made a donation to the Haiti appeal you would probably find a reason to complain about it!

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

d you have grown your schoolboy section in said area well the local council just might see it in their intrest to finish a ground for ya,

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I'm neutral in all this, but didn't Rovers just consume Tallaght Town Schoolboys?

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Not really, Rovers bottled it at the end, and that hurts.

But there is an issue about cheating that needs to be adressed, and last season, you were it.

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more unsubstansiated garbage from the master of same who has the cheek to bleat when anyone questions the shams past :rolleyes:. If you have proof of cheating by any club then send it to the FAI otherwise accept the best team won the League and move on and for gods sake give up the spoilt child routine.

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Absolutly ,that SKSTU bloke must hold the record for reporting posts on this mb,I work with two Bohs members who freely admit they dont know whats going on most of the time at Dalymount but this Canadian keyboard jockey has his finger on the pulse,yeah right.

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Perhaps he knows a member of the shams - because they ALL know whats going on at Dalymount ;)

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Originally Posted by RoversHead

Absolutly ,that SKSTU bloke must hold the record for reporting posts on this mb,I work with two Bohs members who freely admit they dont know whats going on most of the time at Dalymount but this Canadian keyboard jockey has his finger on the pulse,yeah right.

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good to know that i annoy you. However, I have reported maybe 3 or 4 Bohs related posts in my time here, for all the good it has done. But im sure you and your Rovers mates have all the stats like you do for everything else.

I think youll find that, if you read my posts, i dont claim to have the inside scoop on happenings in Phibsborough. You and your hooped buddies are the only ones who ever claim that privilege.

Oh, and im Irish, not Canadian.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Not really, Rovers bottled it at the end, and that hurts.

But there is an issue about cheating that needs to be adressed, and last season, you were it.

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If thinking you were cheated out of a league makes it easier for you to deal with the obvious hurt you still feel then knock yourself out. Wollow away.

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

Rovers did have questions and sent them to the FAI and you had a hissy fit.

Long and the short of it is you know full well you are goosed this season and what annoys you more is that we are rubbing it in than the actual fact that your finances are unravelling.

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There are several things that annoy bohs fans but I would say the main ones relating to your club are:

1 Shamrock fans allowed to post any sorts of rubbish/lies here demanding explanations when there are clearly none necessary or any attempt is simply ignored or derided as rubbish "we know that's not true, we know everything"

2. The Shamrock board who had the 2009 accounts for the best part of a year wait until a week or so after they bottle the league then run to the FAI/papers with rumours and innuendo to try and claim a league title "Ollie Byrne" (RIP) style

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

And if you think that sort of half arsed reverse psychology will make these questions about your finances go away, then knock yourself out.

Still under embargo, budget for 2010 rejected and a manager who wont even speak to his board. Yeah, its all jealousy. :D

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I dont do psychology. I just cant get over your obvious obsession. Surely its not all about being sore, bitter, twisted and jealous that it appears to be?

Although today the press say your club has signed a new player and I doubt if you've even posted on it so obsessed you seem to be with all financial things red and black (or should i say black and tan).

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

really? because I'm on two threads winding the sligs up....

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Dennehy

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Originally Posted by BYCTWD

really? because I'm on two threads winding the sligs up....

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Thanks. Suspended. Given your record, the next one will result in deletion.

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Originally Posted by dahamsta

Thanks. Suspended. Given your record, the next one will result in deletion.

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Fair play. Amazing it actually took this long for someone to step in and put a stop to the tripe he writes up here though