he'd do well with the ladies though! :p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
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he'd do well with the ladies though! :p:pQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
Wrong in so many ways!!:DQuote:
Originally Posted by Paddy Garcia
no to nolan
no to o'hara
no to naughton
all those players turned ireland down, nolan even thought somehow he would make the dutch team lol. o'hara actually played against the irish under-21's and we have coleman, no need for naughton.
my criteria if born abroad:
can't have played for another international team, that includes under 21's, under 18's, under 16's etc...
basically think of kevin kilbane.
Have to agree 100% with you on that. The rule change is a joke and but in fairness to the three you have mentioned none of them have ever publically stated to the best of my knowledge that they want to declare for usQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
That's pretty fair in an ideal world, however we don't live in an ideal world so we should all be prepared to accept any player A: Good enough to improve our squad. B: Wants to play for us and C: Qualified to play for us.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
How many of us would have turned away Scholes or Rooney had they wanted to play for us? Lets be honest would all of this pedantic arguing have applied in those cases? I can fully understand people not wanting players who turned us down before now getting capped, but I think it is fair enough for players to weigh up their International options and if they want to do that publicly thats fine, they then only have themselves to blame if they end up looking ridiculous a la Vinnie Jones when the fans of the country they eventually play for don't take to them.
If you have Irish blood and you are good enough to play for us then welcome aboard. What if Messi had Irish blood, how ****ed off would we be????
If you don't want Ireland to be successful whilst playing within the rules then you should probably question your Irishness. (Not directed specificly at you IrishUltra.)
I broadly agree, but I think to disqualify someone because at 15 he played for the country he resided in would be wrong. Ryan Giggs played Schoolboy football for England because he was in school in England but has always said he would never play for anyone other than Wales. I think U21 would be a fairer cut off, by the age of 20 you should know where you stand & if given the opportunity you should pitch your hat in with us at U21 level.
That said exceptions will always need be made, late developers etc,,,,
Personally (and I speak as an emigrant) I'm a lot more comfortable with 1st and 2nd generation players than I am with the Brazilian's popping up in random countries getting a passport one day and running out for the national team the next, that is what is really devaluing international football imo.
Rather than rejecting players born to Irish emigrants we should celebrate them as an intrinsic part of the culture of our country. For century's we have gone to the 4 corners of the world but Irish emigrants that I know still call Ireland home. I like Silk Cut’s criteria
A: Good enough to improve our squad.
B: Wants to play for us and
C: Qualified to play for us.
B is the important one
Could not have put it better myself. It would seem that some people really have to go and work and live in another country to really understand what it is to "be Irish" I never really felt it when I lived at home. Now I am acutely aware of where I come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Why should we be prepared? Has the goal overtaken the purpose in Irish international football? I thought it was once about simply representing your country & doing the best that your pool of players allows. Excuse me for being nostalgic here, but I'd rather see us flounder as constant 3rd seeds than completely give up our ideals. I don't think it should ever be reduced to a glorified club system where anyone can signup, so long as they have had a guinness now and again.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
and before anyone points out the Jack Charlton era, no, I was never completely happy with that situation.
Just watched the Man City v Portsmouth game on TV this afternoon. Tottenham must have some excellent players in thire midfield if Jamie O’ Hara can’t get a game there. He was superb, best player on the pitch imo.
If this lad want to play for us we should grab him with both hands. I know he has played with Eng U 21s but he is too good to hold that against him.
Saw the game too & I'd agree. He has been playing like that all season for Portsmouth though & should definitely be called up for us. If we could get him, Noble, Cahill etc. we would be flying it.Quote:
Originally Posted by FarBeag
Have to disagree here, C has to be the most important one.Quote:
Originally Posted by endabob1
Doesn't matter how much he wants to play for us if he
isn't qualified to play for us:D
I'd agree with that. I don't care what their reasons for wanting to play for Ireland are, just as long as they are good enough and give it their best.Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
I agree too but what would happen if we ever faced England in a major competition?
Understandable point mate, very understandable but what you described is the ideal situation, one where winning doesn't matter where the taking part is what counts. Football is not like that at any level, if your team is not successful it won't be supported, it wont make any money and the sport itself will suffer. We have to perform to the highest level possible, if that means 2nd and 3rd generation players who cant get a game with their country of birth then so be it.Quote:
Originally Posted by amaccann
a couple of things i wondered when watching Palace v Wolves last night.
1) how the hell is Darren Ambrose white? When people were talking about him i thought he was a black player for some reason. He actually played pretty well too by the way and doesnt look like just a "journeyman" as he has been portrayed here..
2) is the Derry who plays for Palace the same as the Shaun Derry who played (iirc) for the Irish underage teams? Ran the show from midfield last night from what i seen...
not saying either of these lads should be in the squad, just observations/questions more than anything.
Darren Ambrose is a good player, he's good enough to be playing in the Premiership for someone like Wigan, Wolves etc. 11 goals scored in the Championship this season also and is still only 25. He's good enough to be in the Irish squad considering some of the players there at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
Shaun Derry..if he is eligible..I wouldn't even look at him. He will be 33 at the end of the year.
i'm born and grew up in a foreign country so i know what its like. people like kilbane are fine, mercenaries like andy townsend, houghton clinton morrison, jamie o'hara not so.Quote:
Originally Posted by SilkCut
i dont even care for nationality, id never say im proud to be from somewhere but what your saying applies to people like kevin kilbane and lee carsley, people for whatever reason despite being born in a foreign country feel irish. that does not apply to the players i mentioned previously like o'hara. they felt english, scottish or a mixture of all 3(morrison)
Some excellent points here. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by superfrank
See where you are coming from but Townsend and Houghton mercenaries? Bit harsh on one of our finest captains and a man who ran himself into the ground in every game he played for us and considered himself Irish enough to turn down a move to Rangers when they were flying. Even Morrison has always given us everything he could, although I admit he did hawk himself about.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...263811700.html
"REPUBLIC OF Ireland assistant manager Marco Tardelli said yesterday none of the players in Britain who became eligible to play for the Republic as a result of rule changes made by Fifa at the start of last summer have been approached with a view to accepting a call-up."
A member of the FAI told me last week that a number of players from the Premiership & Championship at all age levels have been contacted but due to the sensitive nature of the issue, are unable to disclose the identity of these players at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Seems we are not interested. I dont care either way. I think our squad is ok as it is with some new players coming in, we are fine
Betcha they would have declared if we were going to SA
GIOVANNI Trapattoni will stick with a guaranteed Irish policy as he builds a new squad to take on the Euro 2012 qualifiers -- and that means no place for Jamie O'Hara or any other potential recruits available under Fifa's revised eligibility rules....
http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/gu...p-2053403.html
I personally think it would be ridiculous not to draft in at least 1 or 2 who could make a difference. Then again he has been ridiculous over Andy Reid too.
The squad we finished the 2010 qualifiers with needs only minor tinkering, both Reids should be back in the fold. Kevin Kilbane might be retired.
Does anyone remember these comments by trap, Thursday 22-Nov: "Getting a striker is important for us. We have a list of players we are after. We are monitoring the situation and someone on our behalf has asked the players if they want to play with us.
"One or two are not sure because they can also play for the England Under-21s.
"We have a defender, a winger and an attacker lined up but we cannot say who they are just yet."
What is really going on?
At a guess maybe some of the prospects were not that keenQuote:
Originally Posted by tipplad
Sadly playing International football especially for some of the smaller nations may not be as attractive to these players as we think it is
Their "advisors" may point out that there are some drawbacks to playing international football.
Some clubs might be happier if you are not playing International football, certain amount of travelling, risk of injury, if things do not go well you can get a lot of flak for not performing at International level.
Read in one of the papers today that Trap wants some sort of a training camp in Portugal during the summer so he can look at
as he stated, ''new players, young players and option players.'' I'd say there is work going on behind the scenes but at the moment Trap doesn't want to draw any attention to these players.
I know Gary Cahill has often been mentioned as a possibility for us, well apparently he has suffered a blood clot in his arm which will rule him out for the rest of the season and perhaps even longer. Personally speaking, I would rather he wasn't a 'target' as I think he has already made his preference for England pretty clear - but anyway......................I thought I'd post this update nonetheless.
after watching pompey today, O'Hara is a must. Everything good for them came through him. He'd add a touch of class that has been missing since Andy Reids expulsion. And he's not lacking as a physical presence either.
Finnan and Wilson were excellent tonight for Pompey too (in attack and defence).
Reid was his creative, impressive self and reports of a recent weight gain are crap. What did he get the black eye from? (Meyler in training! :D )
I wonder what he means by:
..and believes that media attention for O'Hara or Mark Noble is causing problems for them at their clubs -- particularly because they have already played for England at some level
What sort of problems I wonder?
I'd imagine it has to do with resale value. Being an England international adds a couple of million to any player's price-tag.
It is amazing how being an England international puts so much value on to a player in England (and consequentially their wages).Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
Clubs are much less likely to discourage a player from turning out for England (even for friendlies etc) than for smaller nations.
Darren Ambrose should be approached. Excellent goal against Villa and a Man of the Match performance along with twelve goals in the Championship this season.
Here, why dont you ask him yourself :o)Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony
http://www.darrenambrose.co.uk/Questions/
:D What a terrible website.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckydee
Ireland are to play Algeria in a friendly in Dublin on May 29th according to the BBC. I reckon it will be on in the RDS or if not available go to the
Cottage again. They are in England's group in the world cup!
thought he played very well too TAP (thats two palace games ive seen in the last while and he has been excellent in both) - reminded me of Lawrence in a lot of ways...Quote:
Originally Posted by TrapAPony