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amsterdam 2000 we were above the dutch fans and away fans in lansdowne were often in the west lower. the north terrace is the most obvious place for away fans but having our own behind both goals would be idealQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
You've a great memory (musn't have been eating the funny cake), I remember being in the upper tier, but to be honest wasn't sure what was below, right behind the goal we were defending in the 2nd half, and a useless piece of information had almost identical seats for the last friendly there when Robbie scored the winner!
I think it's a long time since fans were in the west stand, up near the havelock sq end.
sorry, wasnt trying to be smart. just remember it cause it was just the best away atmosphere i ever experienced. cracking weekend!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
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Originally Posted by jbyrne
Not at all.
Best away athmospheres in GROUND in no particular order
Amsterdam 2000 2-2
Amsterdam 2003 (I think it was 03) 1 - 0
Anfield 1995 0 - 2
Strange all against the Dutch!!
and best home v the dutch 2001 (1-0)!Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
2004 ...Robbies goalQuote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
Yep was just watching a video of Polish fans chanting ''Ireland'' at the Northern Irish fans. They were in a lower tier(polish fans) looking up at the away Norn Iron fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
HaHa what did the NI fans do?Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
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Originally Posted by paul_oshea
If they were lie our near neighbour they probably would have thrown missiles below as in the famous Lansdowne Riot, the very reason why away fans here are never located above or below home fans.
Is it on youtube?Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
who was the idiot that decided to put the English "fans" there?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
probably the same idiot that agreed to the friendly fixture in the first placeQuote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
I think its fair to say the new Lansdowne will probably never see an Ireland England "friendly"
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Originally Posted by kingdomkerry
I reckon they will be invited to play soon after the ground is open, Trap has expressed his desire to play them and in fairness they have sorted out most of their problem on relation to who gets tickets, with their travel club.
I'd be very wary of trouble but still I reckon it's likely to happen.
I dont think there would be that much trouble. Over in England its not seen as 'cool' to be Irish, everyone like's to claim to having an irish granny! Also, the probs in the North of subsided to a certain extent and this in turn has increased anglo-irish relations.
Did you mean ''its seen as cool to be Irish''...it just the not didn't seem to fit in with the rest of the sentence.Quote:
Originally Posted by livehead1
Well I was at the game in 1991 when there were handbags when we drew 1-1 with them. I actually enjoyed that game though the wannabee English hardmen on O'Connell street after the game were a joke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
The 1995 version were sinister and very much over here to cause mayhem. I was around town leading up to and during the game and many white power nazi skinheads had travelled over. They situated the away supporters in the first game away from everyone and nobody could drop things on top of people. The second match where they were located was beyond ridiculous.
I'd like to play them again and continue our unbeaten record but I don't think it would do anybody any good to have away supporters here just to cause trouble. Lets hope if they do play its a good natured affair I cannot see it though.
I don't think you'd get the same trouble as in 1995 because the political situation is much better now.Quote:
Originally Posted by ShamrockIreland
I was in the upper west stand around half way line that night so I wasnt far away from them animals and there is no way in hell I would invite the English team to play in a friendly over here again no matter how the political situation improved. There are still alot of Hooligan elements attached to club football in England especially in the lower leagues and you could be pretty much guaranteed that they would love the opportunity to come over here and cause mayhem again, if not in the stadium at least in the city
Unfortunately many of the idiots who follow the English team around Europe (a significant minority I think it's fair to say) are not too concerned with current affairs. The events of the second world war fuel much of their hostility towards the Germans, Croatians, Italians etc. so I don't think the peace process in the North is going to change much.Quote:
Originally Posted by boovidge
I travelled to the world cup in 2006 as a neutral fan and found myself steering clear of the English mob on more than one occasion as they started their hate-filled chants about German bombers, no surrender and their long-faded empire. Although the English police have been very successful at moving trouble out of the domestic football grounds there is still a very nasty atmosphere surrounding the English national team away from home.
Ask any of the residents in Stuttgart -when England played there in July '06 there were glasses flying and riot police out in force, 3 months later all us Irish fans packed out the main square and held a party.
Having said all the above though we know the FAI won't think about all that if there's a chance to make a few bob:rolleyes:
It's not only football that they sing those songs. I was watching a program on German TV about a man from England getting some money back from a holiday from Greece because there was to many Germans staying in the complex where he was staying.
So the German TV station sent a reporter to Magaluf in Majorca and tried the same thing in a hotel and he tried to talk to a few English tourists but as soon as they heard he was German they started singing all their War songs. It was really embarrassing to watch. There is part of that society in England who are just Knackers who have no idea about how the rest of the world has moved on from something that happened 60 years ago.
What's that other thing that happened 40 odd years ago that they still go on about??:rolleyes:
You're right. No Irish song ever talks about the past....Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_barry80
You are correct that we sing a lot about our history, but we don't do in a way to insult people.
Ah I see...Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_barry80
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Originally Posted by boovidge
The only reason you wouldn't get the same trouble is because Gardai and Police would be very much wise to the threat, nothing would get by anyone this time around. Personally I wouldn't have them over. Or restrict them to about 1000 tickets. They'll always have that element that just can't be trusted.
I don't know if this is the same case, but there was something like that recently. His complaint was that a number of the services they'd booked in advance (or been promised in the brochure) were only available in German (including a creché, I think). The complaint was reasonable. The coverage in the English tabloids wasn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_barry80
Good to see irony isn't lost on our northern brethren.....
There's no point in restricting the tickets. The element looking for trouble would come anyway, they've more on their minds than football. You'd just end up with less sensible fans over.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulie_walnuts
The Gardai are crap at policing football. They're clueless. Every incident around grounds I can think of in the league here have an element of police incompetence - not keeping one set of fans in, not policing specific well known flash points etc. It's more of an issue than the behaviour of opposition fans imo - they'll only do what they'll get let.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulie_walnuts
well to be honest, for the case of ireland v england there would be far more money and resources provided to combat this. EL games wouldn't have this presence due to money being provided by the clubs for garda resources.....:)Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
Not sure the point you're making POS but I'd guess that in a garda v fan ratio there's more cops in and around Richmond/Dalymount/Tolka for any big Dublin derby thtan there is on an international night (all of which the club pay for...) and they still haven't a clue what to doQuote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
It's not a question of resources. There's more than enough cops to deal with any trouble at league games, they simply haven't the competence to police it properly. Not just football, you could use other examples of their crowd control - the GAA game in Cork last weekend, reclaim the streets a few years ago, the Love Ulster debacle, at various points in the shell to sea protests... They haven't a clue.Quote:
Originally Posted by paul_oshea
Oh please.Quote:
Originally Posted by joe_barry80
http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=zH8CQxL5lRs
Though I acknowledge -if it's the worst they get up to...
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Originally Posted by Macy
typical blame the cops, if the fans knew how to behave they wouldnt be needed, so if you get let start a riot, it's ok to riot:rolleyes:
not saying the cops are great at policing but if fans went to support their team and nothing else they wouldnt be needed.
Yeah but in the real world, idiots exist. If nobody wanted to steal, rape or murder we wouldn't need cops either. They are needed, and can't do the job at football.Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
If no one broke the law we wouldn't need cops at all - stupid logic. The Gardai are not capable of policing crowds - I gave other examples rather than just football. Or am I missing something and the Cork Gah crowd are notorious hoolies?Quote:
Originally Posted by Greenforever
ya fair point, a catalogue of shambles. I think it stems from the "what might your name be now" syndrome.....:rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by Macy
So, the Bertie Bowl or the redeveloped Lansdowne?
Anyone think they need to build a smaller(30,000) capacity stadium in like Cork for some friendlies?
And do what with it the rest of the year? I'd prefer 3 or 4 10,000 seaters if we're talking pie in the sky projectsQuote:
Originally Posted by irishultra
I'd say they'll tie down block bookers to cover friendlies, so it won't be an issue. Advance sales will be king for both football and rugby.Quote:
Originally Posted by irishultra