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liverpool kicked lumps out of united all day. carraghers tackle on carrick would have been a free kick outside the box. bottled by the referee. owen was going through on goal and pulled down by carragher, red card! rooney skint him a few minutes before it aswell, he hacked him down and only got a warning. should have had about 3 yellows and a straight red aswell. marsherano must have made 10 fouls. lucas similar.
better team won on the day though.
Looked like the key players for Man Utd were not match fit or a bit jaded. Rooney looked to have been rushed back and it was a game too far for Giggs and Scholes. These two can only play the occasional 90 mins and he needs to use them less often. Playing Giggs and Scholes too often tires them out and means they are ineffectual.
It looks like there isnt enough depth in the attacking end of the squad. Berbatov is not really a world class player and the same could be said for Owen. They need to get more players in who have the desire and stamina. The Chelsea away match on the 8th is massive now.
Also was that Glazer in the away end:
http://img17.imageshack.us/img17/3193/glazer.jpg
Very few beach balls from the manc end afterall. Rumours they had bought them up online from the Liverpool site. The few they had certainly weren't Liverpool ones. I suppose with the KOP throwing on ones with Yanks Out totally took the sting out of their ones.
I think beach balls are the least of their worries. If I was a betting man, I would be putting a few euro on Barnsley in the Carling Cup against them.
hope you did not invest to many euro's on barnsley :D:DQuote:
Originally Posted by reder
very impressed with the kids playing and did i hear right that fabi is married!? what age is he? mad manQuote:
Originally Posted by old git
He is 18/19, he married his girlfriend in order for her to come over to England with him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Acornvilla
bit of a mondae bandele story there
Obertan looked useful. I've seen a couple of clips from reserve games and he has some nice tricks.
Where was Gibson? Injured?
hopefully !Quote:
Originally Posted by shakermaker1982
I think Ferguson's unwillingness to see Berbatov for what he is is costing United a bit. I would honestly prefer to see Rooney and Owen as the front two for a while. Two years ago Giggs was being used sparingly from the bench, now he's a key man. That's really not a good sign.
great goal from Owen the other night, looked pretty sharp
Big problems for Man U lads. All of the decent sides are finding them out through the midfield
They have just equalised but it masks a really dodgy midfield. I am amazed that Scholes and Giggs are still about - just not up to it at this level.
Happy to make a prediction and to look like an idiot at seasons end - if they don't buy a proper midfielder in the window they will not get to the Champs final or finish in the top 2 in the EPL
I reckon tonight was the end for Nani as a United player and will more than likely be sold in January. As Andy Gray said "Yet another disappointing performence from a player who promises so much but never seems to deliver."
I wouldn't be surprised to see United sign up the CSKA winger Krasic and the CSKA keeper Akinfeev who has amazing ability and is someone who has really impressed me in the handful of games that I have seen him in.
If United got that "penalty" for the blatant foul on Fletcher I reckon tonights game would have ended 5-3 to United.
I think Ferguson is banking on Hargreaves to be that midfielder... its a big gambleQuote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Interesting game tonight, CSKA's new coach seems to have them gunning on all barrells, it will be too late for them to make the CL next season via the league (that will be Rubin and Spartak, but Zenit have a slim chance of grabbing second) but at least he is playing players like Dzagoev in the right position unlike Zico and Ramos.
I was impressed by Man Utd's comeback given they went 2 goals behind early in the second half. I though Van Der Saar was pretty weak for the first and last CSKA goals, he was beaten at very slim angles and I just wonder if his judgement is maybe not what it was.
You need to be careful about Akinfeev, he plays one great game then one shocker. Russia are really lacking in top class keepers, Malafeev (Zenit keeper) is pretty shocking too and he seems to be the number two for the national team. Gabulov, the Ossetian at Dynamo Moscow, is probably the best Russian keeper at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by rambler14
Wouldn't read anything into last nights match. Shades of the Aalborg fixture last season. I don't think United will struggle in those types of fixtures (when it matters) but I do think they'll come up short against the top sides. Hargreaves could make a big difference but he could also break down straight away. With Nani's poor showings I'm not sure why Tosic isn't getting more game time, even Obertan seems to have jumped above him in the pecking order. I really like the look of Macheda though, direct, great touch and huge confidence. Big match at the Bridge Sunday, if I'm honest I'd be happy out with a draw.
Am I correct in thinking that a January signing is ineligible for the Chamops League ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Angus
Man U season ticket holders tell me that Anderson was supposed to be the man, post Roy - but probably taking some time
It ain't right
Dunno for sure what the story is with January signings.
AFAIK, it depends on whether they have been registered by another club for the CL. If so, they can't play. If they haven't, then they can. I'm even less informed on the circumstances if the players was registered for the Europa League.
January signings can play as long as they havn't played in European competition. Champions League squads are allowed 3 changes when the knock-out phase starts.
Yep, if they have played in the CL pre-Jan for their old team then they can't play for the new side. Example is Arshavin last season (played for Zenit vs Juve, Real and BATE pre Christmas) couldnt play for Arsenal vs Villareal or Man Utd.
On the other hand Real Madrid could register Lassana Diara as he had only played UEFA Cup football for Portsmouth pre-Christmas. It's interesting to note that Huntelaar had also played only UEFA Cup football that season for Ajax before his January signing for Real - but they could only register one new CL player and picked Diarra.
So Man Utd could sign one new player for the CL who could either be a player who has not played European football this season (e.g. Palacios) or one who has only played UEFA Cup football (e.g. Cahill)...
you can register up to three changes but only one who has played in another Uefa competition and none who have played in the CL for another club.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
Manchester United goalkeeper Tomasz Kuszczak claims No.1 Edwin van der Sar is of little help to him.
The Pole, in his fourth season at Old Trafford, says that he often asks the 39-year-old Dutchman for advice and help.
But, he feels that van der Sar does not pass on advice as he would like.
"To be honest, I must say this and Edwin doesn't like this too much for sure, but he doesn't help me too much," "I have told him a few times already to give me some more advice because he's got more experience and got many more games under his belt.
"I say, 'You have to give me something more because I like to know what I do wrong and like to watch other people. Doing that I can take some good from the advice I get.'
"But I don't know, maybe Edwin doesn't like me. You'll have to ask him."
The 27-year-old admits that he finds it hard not playing regular first-team football.
"I've already waited three-and-a-half years," he said.
"I will wait longer but my ambition is so big and I want to have a nice feeling after games, be tired and go home and think, 'Oh, you did a good job'."
It was only a matter of time before his frustration manifested itself I suppose. He's very much No.3 now despite all the mistakes Foster has made.
Correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by SuperDave
Always seemed a better keeper than Foster imo. Saw him a few times at West Brom and thought he was excellent (shot stopping anyway).Quote:
Originally Posted by DeLorean
I think Foster has more ability to be honest, but is also more prone to errors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
nice one rafa b try and focus some attenion away from liverpool :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Rafa B
would not expect anybody to be happy being 2-3 choice player for any team .. suppose it could have been worse they could be fighting in training :ball:
[QUOTE=old git;1266029]nice one rafa b try and focus some attenion away from liverpool :D
No just thought it was an interesting read.
VDS always struck me as a great team player, seems very odd that Kuszczak would say this even if it was true, unless of course he wants away. I'd say this is closer the truth somehow...
Fergie says Kuszczak was joking
If a players has played in any european competition then they cannot play for another club in europe in the same season. If players are registered but have not played then they can still play for another club.
Has that changed from last year ? I'm sure Diarra played for Pompey against Vitoria Guimares and then played for Real in the CL against Liverpool...
Sorry your right he did indeed play against Liverpool in the CL last season. Played in both games.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
[QUOTE=Rafa B;1266032]was an intresting read alright ,, but see ferguson has said it was all tongue in cheek .. but would not expect him to say anything else :DQuote:
Originally Posted by old git
Someone said in another thread that a club can register one UEFA Cup player for the CL in January as part of their three allowed changes.Quote:
Originally Posted by cfdh_edmundo
chelsea defeat utd..
looking at teams before game i fancied chelsea big time and thought they would overrun utd.
but as it turned out utd dominated chelsea especially in midfield / defence was sound enough anelka / drogba very quiet . rooney was excellent for utd only thing missing was a goal..
referee was very picky on soft frees and 4 big decisions cost utd a win or share of points
1. offside decision in first few mins rooney clearly played on by ashly cole and linesman looking straight at it.
2. valencia penalty claim again linesman looking straight at incident and bottled it
3. fletcher foul on cole for free kick to winni g goal fletcher clearly won ball .
4. winning goal terry flicked on drogba pulled down wes brown and was clearly offside when he attemted to touch ball in on six yard line.. he was in an active offside position and interfering with play :confused: again missed by linesman and referee in a terrible possition 10 yards outside 18 yard box..
utd must be frustrated as they were better team on day ... can somebody explain how anelka got man of the match ???
finally drogba what a cheating playacting tw*T after evans challange he had spasms / leg twitches and i thought chelsea would have to bury him on the pitch :mad: yet he made a miracle recovery to get involved in winning goal he drives me nuts .. chelsea were so negative after they scored the amount of times they tried to waste time was shocking
united have an awful record against the so called top 4 in recent years. away from home anyway. dominated the game but missing ronaldo big time
Deserved something from the game yesterday to be fair. If they keep playing like they did yesterday, they wont be too far off the pace come the end of the season.
Didn't get any of the big decisions from the ref but i suppose got enough over the years so hard to feel sorry for them. Haven't actually got any big decisions since the attack on Wiley. Wonder if Jeff Winter has had a word!!!! Overall they deserved something from the game but didn't thing they created the clear chances being made out. Few decent shots from Rooney outside the box other than that nothing. Thought Fergie would have gone two upfront from the start and had a real go. In days gone by he would have. What's the story with the marking for the goal?? Terry and Anelka both free. I noticed O'Shea going mad over this while others ran to the ref. Do Utd man mark or zonal mark?