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I couldn't care less. I'm interested in reading other peoples opinions about the AIL. As I say to you earlier your posts are clearly off-topic and if you what to pursue the Drumahoe issue further, pm the Derry lads or start a new thread in the forum titled "OFF-TOPIC".Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
For the record, I have heard of both.Quote:
The title of the thread is not "Ever heard of Newtownabbey? Or Dunmurry?"
Jesus give me strength. Look at the bloody map again. Springtown is is also seperately identified. And also certaintly part of the city. The YMCA where'Stute play is surrounded by playing fields (not "open countryside"). Then there are two major housing estates on the same side of the road.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Drumahoe is in Derry. Take it from someone who has lived here for 22 years.
Very last thing I'll say on the matter, but even Royal Mail agree with me. The address of Drumahoe Post Office, further into the Drumahoe area than 'Stute's ground is:
Drumahoe Post Office
73 Glenshane Road
LONDONDERRY
BT47 3SF
County Londonderry
If you couldn't care less, why did you intervene, thus extending the number of "off-topic" posts?Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
A counter-productive intervention, surely?
Sorry, but that doesn't answer the point to which you were ostensibly replying, namely: I take it that means you concede that your argument about Londonderry being in Drumahoe's address is false?Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Why do you think Royal Mail consider Drumahoe to have a separate address from Londonderry? What is the official address of Springtown? I imagine it is just "Londonderry" and not "Springtown, Londonderry".
On what basis do you say that? When did it become part of Derry?Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
**** sake.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Read the address again.
Drumahoe Post Office
73 Glenshane Road
LONDONDERRY
BT47 3SF (MAP)
County Londonderry
The 1st Londonderry indicates the city, the second indicates the county. You are wrong. End of.
And i'd bet that it is Springtown, Derry; Ballymagroarty, Derry; Creggan, Derry ...
OK, I concede that the official address doesn't include Drumahoe. But that doesn't mean that Drumahoe is part of Londonderry city. For example, many addresses in Castlereagh are simply "Belfast", yet they are not in fact part of Belfast city.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Now you're not making sense - you've just discovered that the address for Drumahoe is NOT "Drumahoe, Londonderry", but simply "Londonderry", yet you are claiming that the address for Creggan is "Creggan, Londonderry" and not simply "Creggan".Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
I notice you didn't answer this question:
Could you answer, please?Quote:
On what basis do you say that? When did it become part of Derry?
What the hell are they part of then? Drumahoe is in Derry. Derry has 2 senior football clubs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Bit of a mutual misunderstanding here. I'm saying that many people when writing their address, they included the area of the city they live in aswell as the city name. Creggan etc are all in Derry as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
I'd say it became part of Derry due to the expansion of the city. The same way many new area's are 'absorbed' by a city as it expands. Probably in the last 30 years as new developments have risen in the Waterside.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
Belfast has expanded yet its suburbs have not become part of the city, so why do you think it is different for Derry?Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Is there any "official" record of Derry city expanding and Drumahoe ceasing to exist as a village in its own right?
I've never said it ceased to exist as a village. It's just a village in Derry City. look at the address of the Post Office. They know a thing or too about address', and they reckon their Drumahoe office is in Derry, County Derry. Look, basically you're wrong. You presumably live somewhere in Belfast (apologies if I'm wrong) and occassionally visit the YMCA for a match. I live in Drumahoe. I know alot of people from Drumahoe. And I can't think of a single one who doesn't consider Drumahoe to be part of Derry/Londonderry.Quote:
Originally Posted by Blanchflower
A village and a city at the same time?Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Look at the address of Cregagh Post Office:Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Cregagh Post Office
Greenway
BELFAST
BT6 9DT
Yet Cregagh Post Office is not in Belfast. It's just outside the city boundary.
People in Cregagh consider Cregagh to be part of Belfast: but it's not, so that alone is insufficient evidence.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
You say Drumahoe used to be separate, but some time ago it ceased to be separate. Is there any official record of this change?
I was going to come back with some more points but since it seems we cannot even agree what constitutes the boundaries in a city there isn't much hope for an AIL! :rolleyes:
Don't worry, Stute aren't in the G6 :D;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr_Parker
How are you defining the boundary of Belfast? The only thing I can find is the council area. And Drumahoe is definitely in the Derry City Council's area. Would you consider Altnagelvin hospital to be in Derry City? It definitely is, and (I know this is not a conclusive proof but it's as close as I can find), Drumhoe is considered in the same Local Govt. District as the hospital (http://www.ninis.nisra.gov.uk/mapxtr...ard/95MM01.jpg )
This is an intensely boring conversation.
Stop continuing it then! :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
Agreed. Lets put an end to it. Lets get back to discussing the AIL.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
In fairness, I think that discussion is also cooked.Quote:
Originally Posted by osarusan
G6 fans = broadly supportive
others = against or "maybe later"
......who'd have thunk it?
I neither know nor care whether Drumahoe is in Derry/Londonderry/Co.Londonderry etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
But believe it or not, you can't rely on Royal Mail Postal addresses as proof either way! That is because addresses are organised around Sorting Areas.
I know people who live in Bessbrook. Their official address is "123 Any Road, Bessbrook, NEWRY, Co. Down BT35 XYZ".
Everyone knows that Bessbrook is in Co. Armagh, but this is because Newry (Co.Down) is the main Sorting Centre for the area.
Anyhow, getting back on topic, assuming Derry City will be in any new AIL which is set up, if they were to hit hard times and get relegated (like e.g. Shamrock R in the Eircom, or Leeds United in the English Prem), do you think is there any chance they might choose relegation to the Carnegie, rather than the Eircom, on the basis that there would be considerably less travelling and expense whilst they were out of the big time? I am assuming that both the Carnegie and Eircom would offer equal access back to the AIL via Promotion, with the Carnegie having an overall lower standard, therefore being "easier" to win.
P.S. I'm not "stirring" it with that question, merely speculating that if the AIL got off the ground and led to better relations within football throughout the island, on the back of more peaceful relations generally within NI, it might not be such an unlikely idea as it is at present? I'm sure Big Ian would love to host his New Best Friend Martin when Derry City next came to the Ballymena Showgrounds! ;)
P.P.S. OK, that last sentence was a bit mischievous - feel free to ignore it! :D
Yes, of course Altnagelvin is in the city.Quote:
Originally Posted by pól-dcfc
I'd say Londonderry city is that part of the current Derry City Council which was in Londonderry Corporation before 1973. Londonderry city was controlled by Londonderry Corporation. In 1973, however, Londonderry Corporation was abolished and replaced by Londonderry (later Derry) City Council, but (London)Derry City Council also included surrounding districts which had not been part of Londonderry Corporation and therefore not part of the city.
As the High Court has recently ruled that the city is not the same as the council I'd say, e.g. that Eglinton did not become part of Londonderry city, but remained a village within the boundaries of Derry City Council. I'd say the same about Drumahoe.
Belfast is different as its boundaries did not change in 1973.