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Originally Posted by OhNoYouDidn't
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
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Originally Posted by OhNoYouDidn't
Sinn Fein/IRA & wider republican community held a large (nuremburg) style rally/commeration in Casement Park (GAA) in belfast last year to commerate the H-Block Terrorists, Murderers and criminals.
Am I missing something? When did the IRA blow up Casement Park? The cries of Terrorism would be more convincing if you weren't defending terrorists yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
What terrorists am i defending? Are those innocent Protestants (in this case) who lost loved ones to the murderers of SF and friends (or former friends) the terrorists you speak of?
How come people dont protest (or oppose) the Terrorists in 1916 who equally killed innocent civilians in and around the GPO (8 civilians registered as killed) or the unarmed GR marching from Beggars Bush barracks? where they not terrorist acts? They were.
You have to know that one of the principal characters depicted on the placards Love Ulster carry at their wee danders is strongly implicated in the Dublin and Monaghan bombing.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
I'm in favour of them being allowed march -but I acknowledge this individual being held up as a "victim" disgusts many.
But as I've already said Willy and co. have a skewed and warped view of who exactly deserves victimhood and who does not.
Your calling the men and women of the 1916 rising terrorists? :eek: You could call them tactically naieve alright but terrorists? :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
How about those who fought the War of independance? Were the Tans and the Auxilliaries "Just doing their job?". Are you in favour of Monarchy?
How times have changed in NI. Was looking at the news on saturday and was barely a policeman in sight at a parade which was the scene of violence a few years ago.
Crazy to think that the most contensious parade this marching season will be in Dublin.
BohsPartisan, Casement Park is in Northern Ireland which in not part of Ireland. Why would republicans want to march in Britain (essentially)?
I had the misfortune of bumping into one of these marches near Bodenstown a few years ago and it was vulgar to say the least. I would find it hard to believe that this Love Ulster march will be any worse in terms of sentiment.
In an ideal world marches from both sides would be banned in the republic.
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Originally Posted by reder
Northern Ireland is not Britain. It is part of The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. If you don't know why Republicans would want to hold a rally at a GAA ground in Northern Ireland then you don't know much about Irish Republicanism.
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Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Any chance we can move on from the "those terrorists are as bad as the other terrorists" style of debate?
All parades & marches are pathetic & IMO part of the problem is both sides being unable to move on from history.
While I can understand some people feel intimidated by marches past their home I think City centre parades should not offend anyone.
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Originally Posted by BohsPartisan
even the name of this parade is totally misleading - it is nothing to do with loving ulster.
if there is nothing antagonistic about commerating unionst/protestant dead then why is it not just called a commemoration of the dead from the troubles?
what a great idea Partisan about a parade representing both communities commemorating ALL victims, marching side by side down o'connell street, with no triumphialism or sectarian tunes from either side. that would be a true representation of bridge building between both communities and a show of how far things have moved on.
personally, i feel that the 'love ulster' parade is only there to provoke a reaction, which unfortunately last time it did.
yes, there were innocent protestant casualities but there were so-many innocent catholic casualities and when the march commemorates both and acts as a show of unity by both communities then it will really be a love ulster parade, and nothing to do with republicanism or unionism, and i will not oppose it.
until then keep these parades in unionist areas where there will be no reaction.
can you imagine a 'love turkey*' parade in the southern half of cyprus??
*turkey the country for anyone who thinks they are funny!!!
WHAT the f*ck kind of four-year-old's logic is that? Are you on a wind-up, seriously? How long did you say you've been in this country, fifteen years? Sweet divine.Quote:
Originally Posted by reder
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Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Are you Ian Paisley in disguise?
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Originally Posted by pete
bit difficult when you discuss the bast tard state of Northern Ireland:rolleyes:
Even Paisley doesn't use that sort of terminology any more! sure hes bset mates with Marty McGuinness now:DQuote:
Originally Posted by bennocelt
Whilst I don't agree with this march i think that it should be left alone and allowed to pass off peacefully. Willie Frazer is one of those small minded people in the North who doesn't seem to understand that there are two sides to every coin and that there was suffering on both sides, this may be understandable due to the sufferings inflicted on his family in South Armagh but doesn't excuse it. I remember there was a current affairs phone in show on a local radio station every sunday and he would be on every sunday in his capacity as head of this victim ranting about Sinn Fein but he never once mentioned any Nationalist victims of the troubles! I don't know how he expects people to take him seriously in the south when he arrives down with a bunch of sectarian bands!
Probably the same reasons why they don't protest about the fact that there is a big statue of the mass murderer Oliver Cromwell outside the Houses of Parliament in London.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
well done sir, you have won the prize of moron of the year.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
How many civilians are killed by her majesty's finest every day of the week in iraq?? How many thousand civilians were killed during bombing raids over German cities during the second world war?? Terrorists all in my view but then again hostory is written by the victors (or not in the case of iraq and also afghanistan) Cromwell was the founder of the modern political system in the Uk and he is held in high regard, when all he was was a mini hitler if you werent of his creed or conscience.
or does civilian not matter if you are fighting for the Empire?
Some of those in the H-Blocks were internees who were never charged with any offence. A lot of Nationalists would tell you that only for the IRA there would have been a pogrom in Ulster in the early 70's. Ask the people of the Short Strand what would have happened if the IRA had not come to there rescue when they were besieged by a loyalist gang bent on murder.Quote:
Originally Posted by rebelarmyexile
Well put (better than anything i could write!:))Quote:
Originally Posted by Saint Tom
just finished the excellent book ...Bad Lands, written by the guy who set up Lonely Planet, brill book
but he mentioned that Harris and his ilk, trained for their bombing raids for WW2 in Iraq, just before Dresden, etc, killing many, but then they were only Arabs!
then we have Kitchner and his concentration camps, and South Africa
(and this is going widely off topic........sorry!!)
This thread is about the merits, such as they are, of a march going down the main street of the capital city of this country. Who killed who in the past, has nothing to do with it, imo.
Despite the non-Dublin community's support for it, the poll currently stands at 29-5, in favour of it not going ahead.
True. Grotesque stupidity on the part of the British.Quote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop
...a lot of Nationalists certainly believe it. Whether it'd have happened or not is moot. That's not challenging that loyalist paramilitaries could operate pretty much with impugnity ...evidence enough from the UWC for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop
Co-incidently, no small amount of loyalists will tell you that only for the UVF and the UDA they'd have been run out of their homes or would be 2nd class citizens in a united Ireland now.
...then ask them about the price they paid for their supposed rescue up until quite recently ...and who knows, perhaps even still.Quote:
Originally Posted by onceahoop