Brian Kerr...

I emailed Hoganvin2@yahoo.ie at the indo and sent him this. Im really quite sick of the indo in the last few weeks. They are well out of line.

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Me and most the lads at foot.ie are sick to death reading the muck that you and those other idiots (like Mc Dermott) at the irish independent are writing. You, as a newspaper have sunked to a new tabloid low and I think its high time you stopped getting on kerr's back and got behind the team.

As an Eircom League supporter I'm well aware of Brian Kerr, his personality and his shortcommings. We all knew about Brian Kerrs technical vision of Irish football when he got the job and what that entailed. It remainds a mystery to me of the general ignornace of your newspaper about Brian Kerr and football in general.

Instead of writing pages and pages of personality drivel on your pathetic newspaper why dont you just concentrate on the football and analyise that. We have one of the most important games coming up tomorrow and all you can do is complain that you hacks cant get an interview with certain players or Kerr said something that you's idiots dont like. So what if Kerr isnt the best PR man in the job. Grow up, stop looking for all these little small things and stop trying to get kerr out of the job. The public knows what kerr is doing, 7 out of 10 are backing him, its time you did too!!!!.

FORZA SHELS FORZA IRELAND !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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BTW what kind of journo has an @yahoo.ie address? Amateurs, bunch of ****ing amatuers

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Originally Posted by Dodge

BTW what kind of journo has an @yahoo.ie address? Amateurs, bunch of ****ing amatuers

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Vincent Hogan is the most perceptive Irish sports journalist around. He also writes for other publications, Time Out, for example, and it is not unusual for journalists who write for more than one publication to use something like an @yahoo.ie or @hotmail.com e-mail address. At least you have e-mail access to journalists such as Vincent Hogan, more than can be said for many.

fully agree, hogan is a cut above the masses

Also ... that comment piece was writen by James Lawton who would have very close connection with John Giles. Lawton, in general, is one of the best soccer, or sports writers around but my guess is that he would never write something about irish football without first discussing it with Giles.

Maybe but how the "masses" have gone even lower.....it's all relative

I've let him know what I think of his "journalism.."

Most of the carryon in the papers is on foot of Kerr **** stirring in the press over the last month or so re his contract. His recent carryon in either snubbing or arsing about with the media is only exascerbating the situation. Kerr has handled the whole situation badly and continues to do so. I would guess laso that his credibility with many of the players is shot at this stage.

BTW Hogan is a decent journalist who will generally respond to fair criticism. The mail jollyrodger sent him is a load of immature drivel. Fair enough criticise him if you want but try and do it with facts rather than childish abuse.

Can't these journalists get their own mail address? mail@vincenthogan.org or similar?

:rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by Stormin Normin

Most of the carryon in the papers is on foot of Kerr **** stirring in the press over the last month or so re his contract. His recent carryon in either snubbing or arsing about with the media is only exascerbating the situation. Kerr has handled the whole situation badly and continues to do so. I would guess laso that his credibility with many of the players is shot at this stage.

BTW Hogan is a decent journalist who will generally respond to fair criticism. The mail jollyrodger sent him is a load of immature drivel. Fair enough criticise him if you want but try and do it with facts rather than childish abuse.

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Would you say it is childish of "the media" to respond to Kerr's "recent carryon in either snubbing or arsing about with the media...." in the way that they have had the knives out for him lately?

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Originally Posted by Stormin Normin

Most of the carryon in the papers is on foot of Kerr **** stirring in the press over the last month or so re his contract. His recent carryon in either snubbing or arsing about with the media is only exascerbating the situation. Kerr has handled the whole situation badly and continues to do so. I would guess laso that his credibility with many of the players is shot at this stage.

BTW Hogan is a decent journalist who will generally respond to fair criticism. The mail jollyrodger sent him is a load of immature drivel. Fair enough criticise him if you want but try and do it with facts rather than childish abuse.

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maybe your him. I dont think its childish abuse. Its meant as a cop on letter. The stuff the indo writes is childish immature drivel. This is not England. I always thought everyone in Ireland would get behind the team manager etc no matter what the perviced problems are and sort them out at an appropriate time.

Kerr is from our own league, its not properly developed and the clubs arent playing at the highest level. Surely some of that can be taken into account when dealing with kerr and some lee way with his press relations. The meida did it with Jack, they did it with Mick, why cant they do it with Kerr.

Kerr has surrounded himself like McCarthy before with all types of spin doctors (Drury!) and hangers on. I don't remember any complaints when Gerry McDermot in the same Indo was spinning the "unnamed" Champions league team crap. Where did that come from other than through Kerr or his agents who have being speaking for him. And then writing that the FAI should be ashamed that the Swiss had extended Kuhn's contract and Kerr's contract had not been. Kuhn had gotten the Swiss to one WC already. They are unbeaten in this group (which I believe will end tomorrow DESPITE Kerr). We have not beaten one mid-standard team in a competive game under Kerr's management. That is a fact. Kerr is the manager and the buck stops with him despite his recent interview to radio 5 trying to switch the blame elsewhere. What Giles, Dunphy, the Indo, I or you say does not infleunce this Irish team as Kerr has stated himself. He is in charge. If a player is not playing well he has the option to drop him.

Lads, let's not get out of hand here. Gerry McDermott and Vincent Hogan are not gutter press scum. Journalists, by their nature and by their profession, have to ask questions and have to give space to questions being asked by others.

I don't read the Indo much but I've come across their opinion columns on Kerr. I disagree with them and support Brian Kerr and this team. But, in fairness, have a lot of fans on this forum not started to question Kerr? Some have questioned him from the start. That's not exactly 'getting behind the team' is it? If a journalist gives light to these questions being asked by fans, what's wrong with that?

My own view is that there is a collective paranoia amongst Irish soccer journalists not to repeat the mistakes made during the Charlton years, when even the best journalists became cheerleaders and stopped asking hard soccer questions. After 1994, for example, no one questioned the sense in Big Jack staying on as manager and no one wondered had we progressed in the four years since Italia 90. Since 1996, they've been quicker to ask questions and no longer in awe of the players. Certainly, I think they're terrified at the notion of just going with the flow, terrified at not asking questions for fear of being accused of not being behind the team.

Sometimes this manifests itself in brash opinion columns, sometimes it comes out as good, proper sports journalism. I'm not defending rubbish hacks mouthing off about Kerr just to mouth off and make names for themselves. But some of these journalists getting abuse here are decent, have been around for a long time and are just doing their job.

On another point, the ridiculous amount of coverage given to Given's non-injury goes to show what happens when you don't communicate properly with the media. They have to fill space to satisfy the public. If there's little or no info from the Irish camp, they have to fill it with rubbish, annoying everyone in the process, from the journos to the fans to the players and to the manager.

Emmett Malone said on Setanta yesterday that if the Irish media just got behind the team for the sake of it then they are not doing their job properly. I agree with this but McDermott went a bit far. He mentioned Kerr's wage packet at times it wasn't needed to be mentioned. He had to give Kerr stick in every article.

Anyway, Saturday's Irish Times confirms that it was the FAI behind this media bashing. They must have mentioned it about 4 or 5 times in their first 2 sports pages.

Donal81, people may have their opinions, some even from the begining of BK's reign but the point (I think) a lot people are trying to make here is the manner in which BK has been lambasted by the media (some more so than others) when the campaign is not yet over and we could still qualify....."Your country needs you" is the message......

The medical staff thought Given's injury warranted an x-ray so i don't think it was "ridiculous...coverage"...

this is all a ball of smoke that will amount to nothing after the game tomorrow,
win and kerrs got the fai, the meedia and all the rest by the balls - their hearts and minds will soon follow

lose and hes deservedly fckd out on his ear


it all comes down to one game, and on reflection thats as much as any of us could have possibly hoped at the start of this campaign

If anyone has a vendetta agaisnt Kerr its Paul Hyland in the Herald.
Just read his article last night trying to undermime the manager and yet he
cant remember or name the player who supposedly made the comment.
Convenient dont you think!
No I am as critical as anyone when it comes to footballing matters
but when it gets personal thats when the line has been crossed!
They are trying to make a Graham Taylor out of Kerr which is disgusting
as Kerr is a decent football man far superior to anything Taylor ever was.
I urge anyone who wishes to vent there fury/anger/disgust/frustration to do so against this FROG EYED WEASEL a dose of his own medicine might make
him more thoughtful about his attacks in future

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Originally Posted by Noelys Guitar

Kerr has surrounded himself like McCarthy before with all types of spin doctors (Drury!) and hangers on. I don't remember any complaints when Gerry McDermot in the same Indo was spinning the "unnamed" Champions league team crap. Where did that come from other than through Kerr or his agents who have being speaking for him.

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eh? He has an agent, I think you'll find he's not alone in the football world on that score - most Irish players you can name would be represented by the same agent I'd guess.....:rolleyes:

And what was Kerr's agent up to last week? Rubbishing the players as a means of justifying Kerr's poor record. Very clever indeed!

Some of the stuff in the papers is scurrilous. The Herald is probably the worst of them. However in the same way players have to deal with criticism from the press and from fans Kerr should be able for this also. It goes with the territory. He appears to be losing the plot and with that he will lose the respect of the players.

And No Jolly I'm not Vincent Hogan.

I would laugh my heart off if Ireland managed a win tomorrow night and then went on to beat the team in the play offs. What would the indo & hearld write then ?

I still think some of the criticism is more personality than football. Its reached epic proporations for a small country with a very small number of players.

I rate the Irish Times analysis and accept the point that they have to critise. But by in large their criticism is about football, decisions made, preperation, training, methods, tatics etc. The indo is pumping out page after page after page on having a go about kerr the person. I wouldnt be surprised if they started putting turnips on his head on the back page.

(Thats good to hear Stormin Normin:))

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Originally Posted by Tired&Emotional

Donal81, people may have their opinions, some even from the begining of BK's reign but the point (I think) a lot people are trying to make here is the manner in which BK has been lambasted by the media (some more so than others) when the campaign is not yet over and we could still qualify....."Your country needs you" is the message......

The medical staff thought Given's injury warranted an x-ray so i don't think it was "ridiculous...coverage"...

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"Your country needs you" is the kind of phrase that would send any half-decent journalist running for cover. Journalists are not (or should not) be cheerleaders and we shouldn't expect them to be. We should expect them to be decent, ethical writers asking hard questions. I support this team and hope everyone roars them on tomorrow night but if I was a journalist covering the Irish team, I'd have to put that aside as much as possible and be a professional. The last thing we need is jingoistic rubbish imported across the Irish Sea, 'get behind our boys' horsesh!t. Let the fans get behind the boys, let the papers and journalists do the reporting.

The Given injury was dead in the water very quickly, it certainly didn't warrant the amount of coverage it got.