Richard Dunne

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Originally Posted by amaccann

Steve Bruce & Sunderland? Jeez Louise it's hardly something to get the heart thumping now is it? Seems like a big step back at a farcical price.

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I agree it's a steal. Watch him get player of the season again.
Sunderland don't have an all attacking midfield so I would expect him to play well again when he's not being exposed due to his team mates shirking their defensive duties.

I don't mind him moving to a so-called smaller/poorer club bacuse he'll still be playing against the same strikers week-in-week-out and Sunderland are IMO more likely to stay up with him in the team.

Bruce is a bit of a spoofer but I'm sure he's a good judge of defenders and the price made it even more attractive.

I'd have Dunne over Terry every day of the week. The hype and plaudits that come Terry's way are not merited IMO. He's a solid Premiership player who is classed as the best defender in the world because he's English and in Jamie Redknapp's words 'a warrior inne Andy - know what I mean?'.

I remember some disrespectful comments from Man City's Chief Exec last year (think his name is Cook?) about Dunne and I'm not surprised that it looks like he is on his way at long last because Dunne is not enough of a 'sexy' name and personality for the likes of idiots like that. Man City's loss is Sunderland's gain. Ireland would be lost without him and if Man City are banking on Micah Richard's stepping up to the plate they are also in for a long season.

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Originally Posted by shakermaker1982

I'd have Dunne over Terry every day of the week. The hype and plaudits that come Terry's way are not merited IMO. He's a solid Premiership player who is classed as the best defender in the world because he's English and in Jamie Redknapp's words 'a warrior inne Andy - know what I mean?'.

I remember some disrespectful comments from Man City's Chief Exec last year (think his name is Cook?) about Dunne and I'm not surprised that itlooks like he is on his way at long last because Dunne is not enough of a 'sexy' name and personality for the likes of idiots like that. Man City's loss is Sunderland's gain. Ireland would be lost without him and if Man City are banking on Micah Richard's stepping up to the plate they are also in for a long season.

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I'm all for jumping on the English players are overhyped bandwagon because I think the majority of them are but even I have to admit that John Terry is a far better defender than Richard Dunne.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I'm all for jumping on the English players are overhyped bandwagon because I think the majority of them are but even I have to admit that John Terry is a far better defender than Richard Dunne.

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I think John Terry is a more talented player, but not 38 million pounds more talented.

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I'm all for jumping on the English players are overhyped bandwagon because I think the majority of them are but even I have to admit that John Terry is a far better defender than Richard Dunne.

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so much better that there should be a 38 million difference in their price tag??

International stats.

Terry played 51 goals 6 ratio 0.1176471

Dunne played 52 goals 7 ratio 0.1346154

Thus Dunne is 14% better than Terry.

Which values Dunne at £43.5 million, thus a bargain at £2 million.

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Originally Posted by irishfan86

I think John Terry is a more talented player, but not 38 million pounds more talented.

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Since when has someone's talent dictated price?

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Since when has someone's talent dictated price?

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Since it was decided that players could be traded.


How about this one.

Since when was it decided that someones price defined their talent?:D

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Originally Posted by youngirish

I'm all for jumping on the English players are overhyped bandwagon because I think the majority of them are but even I have to admit that John Terry is a far better defender than Richard Dunne.

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far better? We're not talking about Cannavaro in his prime here. John Terry? The slowish centre half for Chelsea who has relied on Carvalho and Alex to tidy up for him the last 3 seasons. Stick Terry in with Richard's, Michael Ball and co and see how he gets on!

So, say we were offered a straight swap right now Dunne for Terry, would you take it???.... I wouldn't... Maybe it's misplaced or it's green tinted or whatever, but I wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

So, say we were offered a straight swap right now Dunne for Terry, would you take it???.... I wouldn't... Maybe it's misplaced or it's green tinted or whatever, but I wouldn't.

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I wouldn't go for the swap either.

But in terms of evaluating talent, Terry offers more on the ball and going forward, especially off set pieces.

He has scored some absolutely massive goals for Chelsea over the years, and its hard to ignore his contributions during the Mourinho years.

That's a fair assessment. Terry has a knack of timing his runs and his jumps that even quality centre-forwards lack. Dunne has never really had this. Despite his goals against Bulgarai I still can't believe he missed that last minute header in Stuttgart. I think Dunne is a very good defender though and has become an influential and talismanic figure for us.

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

International stats.

Terry played 51 goals 6 ratio 0.1176471

Dunne played 52 goals 7 ratio 0.1346154

Thus Dunne is 14% better than Terry.

Which values Dunne at £43.5 million, thus a bargain at £2 million.

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i can't believe you're sole criteria for judging how good a defender is by comparing goals scored:o, i hope i'm missing a completely obvious joke in ur post

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Originally Posted by geysir

Since it was decided that players could be traded.


How about this one.

Since when was it decided that someones price defined their talent?:D

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Talent has nothign to do with it. Its about their worth to the "organisation". Modern football...

You are a confused fella Dodge.
Now you say talent has nothing to do with the level of transfer fee

Talent is one of the biggest criteria used to calculate the fee.
Without talent the rest of the criteria has no value.

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Originally Posted by dr_peepee

So, say we were offered a straight swap right now Dunne for Terry, would you take it???.... I wouldn't... Maybe it's misplaced or it's green tinted or whatever, but I wouldn't.

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And I'm sure the English wouldn't take Dunne over Terry , doesn't prove anything either way

Both are really good players. Terry has been a fantastic player for Chelsea and a great leader. I can't stand the guy and would rate Carvalho higher but Terry has still been immense as well. It would be interesting to see how he would fare in a lesser defence but it's not going to happen so we just have to judge him on what we do see. Dunne has been just as impressive under more difficult circumstance for City and Ireland.

Everton supporting mate (scouse) emailed me this morning saying that with Terry to City off, City have come back to Everton with an offer of 10m + Dunne for Lescott. Personally I think its a superb offer but he and the scousers are dead set against it.

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Originally Posted by WexCar

i can't believe you're sole criteria for judging how good a defender is by comparing goals scored:o, i hope i'm missing a completely obvious joke in ur post

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Well if is a good solid statistic.
I mean if Terry was better he would get more goals wouldn't he?

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Originally Posted by tricky_colour

Well if is a good solid statistic.
I mean if Terry was better he would get more goals wouldn't he?

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I presume you're joking as you're hardly rating a defender by how many goals he scores but just in case...

John Terry 17 goals in 272 games for Chelsea (ratio 1 in 16)

Richard Dunne 7 goals in 294 games for Man City and 0 goals in 60 games for Everton ie. 7/354 in PL (ratio 1 in 50)