It sums up Ambrose's night that he just missed a free header 6 yards out.
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It sums up Ambrose's night that he just missed a free header 6 yards out.
Lichsteiner's antics are ridiculous. What happened to referees cracking down on that kind of stuff?
Commentators are doing my nut in.
Good game though.
A game of cat-and-mouse. Juve have more guile. And more cheating...
The ref is not the greatest, which is a shame.
That's the end of that so.
Don't understand why referees book both players. It's ridiculous.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
3-0, game over.
Yep. Should have given Celtic a penalty in the first minute - Lichsteiner hauled Hooper away from the exact spot Commons dropped the ball in to. That would have put an end to it for the rest of the match.
3 nil is a 'bit of a downer'.
I suppose 2 of those Juve goals were down to Ambrose's jet lag. I thought Izaguirre was excellent, Wanyama not far off and Brown worked himself into the ground.
Are Celtic's centre half options so limited they had to play a player just off the plane from Africa? Celtic really missed the influence of a Gary Caldwell or a Darren O'Dea tonight.
You being a bit sarcastic Charlie?
Ambrose is so good, that if one player could do the whole hog in the ACoN, win the trophy, then fly back to Glasgow and tog out against Juve, then he could.
Didn't work out.
Of course I am, although O'Dea does have a handy knack for keeping clean sheets against Italian opposition.
It does seem a ludicrous gamble in such a pivotal position, but from what Lennon is saying the only alternative was to play Lustig in the centre and Matthews out wide, in which case it's a problem with squad depth. On the other hand, if Lennon had left him out and they'd lost 3-0, Captain Hindsight would also be out in force.
You can't get jet lag flying from South Africa to Scotland.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
Give Juve credit though; early goal, defended well, countered clinically.
I think you outrank Captain Hindsight, Charlie. :)
Mulgrew could have played centre half as well.
As it turned out with Juve's game plan, they would have been delirious with 1-0, under normal circumstances both those centre halves would have dealt with that stuff.
Okay pedant, how about travel tiredness combined with post-tournament fatigue? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
I'm surprised by how many people I've seen say this. I swear there are some people who'd get jet lag flying home from Manchester.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Some day :)Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
It's not pedantry; it's just refuting your point. There's a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I'm not a professional footballer obviously, but I don't know - Nigeria played six games in three weeks. (Did he play them all? I haven't checked.) Celtic played six in the same time. Then he sat back on a plane for ten hours. Is it really that big a deal? Would it have caused him to fart about like he did for the third goal, or miss a header for the first one? (And the keeper got off really lightly for the first goal; I don't know what he was at.)
Yes I admit the use of the term was wrong, I incorrectly use the term jet lag to cover the effects of long distance travel.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Imo it's pedantry to differentiate between jet lag or travel tiredness in this instance. It's just a detail, a minor side issue.
Maybe it's important to you, but this is a football thread.
We can say that Ambrose was probably affected by the Africa tournament and all the travel involved because he doesn't make those type of mistakes under normal circumstances. Is that scientifically proven? no, it's an opinion.
Is it scientifically proven that he would have made those silly mistakes regardless had he remained in Scotland? no it isn't, it's an opinion based on observation of his ability.
Is it a big deal physically and mentally for a player to win the Africa Cup, have some celebration? leave hotel wherever that was, get to airport, travel back from SA to Glasgow? We can say that this is a probability in the case of Ambrose, because he was not the same player last night.
I don't know about what Trap supporters know but I'd safely say that Trap knows what real catenaccio looks like, seeing as he was in the thick of it, at the top end of the scale, for 15 years there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Charlie Darwin
You really don't take being wrong easily, do you?
I think travel is an issue which is blown completely out of proportion (often by managers who have a vested interest in discouraging their players from playing in the likes of the African Cup of Nations). The days of long, uncomfortable trips beyond the iron curtain on rickety planes, with maybe two or three connections and local officials being deliberately antagonistic are generally gone. If a player is flying first class, possibly direct, I don't see that travel tiredness is anywhere near as big an excuse as is often made out. Getting a flight from South Africa to Glasgow is probably less arduous than Cork City players getting a bus to Derry (or vice versa).
What might be an interesting approach is whether there's a mental release that comes with winning a final - whether the player relaxes in the knowledge that a tournament is won, and then can't get going again for the next game in a couple of days' time.
Horrendous ref, Lichtsteiner and Buffon could have been manning a machine gun nest and he'd still have waved play on. I think Juventus will get found out against top level teams assuming a proper ref is present.
You mean about the jet lag thing? I honestly couldn't give a toss. It's a pedantic matter, I said it was pedantic and I even gave a smilie.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
It doesn't make the slightest difference to my expressed opinion on a football matter whether I used 'jet lag' or 'travel fatigue'.
It also doesn't concern me whether the total 100% effect on Ambrose's performance was made up of 80% competition fatigue + 20% travel fatigue or vice versa.
I can testify that in the all (I have seen most) of the CL games + qualifiers + Africa CoN games he has played in, he didn't play like he did last night.