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Bel Tel's sports coverage has always been similarly one-sided. Their news coverage might have moved out of the dark ages of bias, but it doesn't reach the back pages, particularly not when it comes to football.
Edit - Oh yeah, and their ignorance of statutes is fairly shocking as well of course. Don't be letting facts get in the way of a good ranticle.
This classic from the comments:
Because the GFA was mainly a football agreement.Quote:
How does THE GOOD FRIDAY AGREEMENT fit in this instance, as another post says politics should be kept out of football, there is nothing good about the GFA if all it encourages is poaching our mainly catholic players.
Ranticle. I like that portmanteau.Quote:
Originally Posted by SwanVsDalton
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Originally Posted by The Fly
Stunned? Wasn't the possibility of Duffy switching allegiance a well-known and long-running worry for the IFA?Quote:
Originally Posted by Belfast Telegraph
I have to agree - I shook my head in disbelief when I read a recent article in the BT by Stuart McKinley about Paul George choosing the Republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
It was patently obvious that he hadn't read or understood the CAS findings.
Not sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Likewise. Is anyone possible to shed some light on this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Not Brazil
Have to say that if Barton played senior football for the North, you can't blame them for being peeved about him coming over to us. On the other hand, they should recognise that the likes of Duffy or George are a special case.
But less peeved if he had been called into the England under-21 squad apparently. I think Barton had always been open with regard to his intentions; that his trip over to play for Worthington was just to test the water and see what the experience would be like. Worthington understood his wish to keep his options open and, from what I've read, appeared sympathetic, albeit Worthington's understanding seemed to be that Barton was holding out for an England call-up, or was at least undecided between Northern Ireland and England. But why should we be viewed any differently from England when it transpires that we were in the frame for Barton as another option? Not the fault of the FAI if Barton wasn't completely transparent with Worthington.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bungle
Oft forgotten or overlooked amongst the confused furore that is the eligibility issue is that Duffy's father is of course Donegal-born, so even if the FAI had been instructed by FIFA or CAS that calling up northern-born Irish nationals with no family links to the Irish state, as it were, was contravening rules - and such instruction was what the IFA and the majority of their fans sought from the Kearns case - Duffy would still have been perfectly eligible to play for us. I always thought it a bit tawdry to have launched the Kearns case off the back of the publicity generated from exploiting an 18-year-old as a scapegoat in the media. Especially as they're meant to be the good guys...Quote:
On the other hand, they should recognise that the likes of Duffy or George are a special case.
Funnily enough, I was having a wee gander on OWC this morning and came across this article about Jamie O'Hara posted by EG himself just over a month ago in a thread on Adam Hammill (Wolves player with a northern-born grandparent who has represented England at under-19 level).Quote:
Originally Posted by Predator
Bear in mind that the piece itself is from 2008 prior to when the age limit of 21 imposed upon a player as the threshold before which he had to decide who he wished to represent internationally was lifted, but it outlines pretty clearly and straight from the horse's mouth how actual IFA policy nullifies any self-perceived right of the IFA/NI fans to take a moral high ground when it comes to international player recruitment.Quote:
Originally Posted by News Letter
The following from the same thread also caught my eye as the circumstances of Hammill and Barton are somewhat similar - the Irish connection of both being a northern-born grandparent - although I don't know whether or not Hammill played in a competitive game for the England under-19s.
On article 15, here is what CAS had to say from the Kearns judgment:Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
If EG could outline where in the judgment CAS "confirmed" that article 15 related to those holding Irish nationality "automatically from birth", I'd be very appreciative. I wouldn't be surprised if his claim regarding Blatter's "reiteration" is also a figment of his imagination. Of course, it doesn't strictly mean that Blatter didn't single out article 15 for discussion and analysis, but this BBC article is all I can find on that meeting, besides other articles which say pretty much the same thing worded differently. Sometimes, I worry that EalingGreen, gradually over time, actually begins to believe some of the lies and deceit he peddles.Quote:
Originally Posted by CAS Kearns judgment (paragraph 72)
Sometimes, I worry that DI may be playing man rather than ball here.Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
Hehe, touché. I won't deny that one-upmanship may provide a bit of a guilty pleasure for me from time to time when it comes to EG. However, I didn't actually go fishing though OWC for EG quotes with the intention of challenging them here, but I thought the above items were relevant to this discussion when I stumbled across them as there are a couple of things I think he ought to clear up. From my brief skim through the threads on OWC that caught my attention, there appeared to be a consensus of sorts that EG's interpretations and musings were correct on the general eligibility matter, or at least were in no need of correction. I don't think it's a help to anyone, other than those who wilfully delude themselves to the relief of having to face up to unwelcome truths, that such misapprehension or intentional misrepresentation of the facts (I'm never sure which it is with EG) be allowed to go unchallenged, never mind receive positive appraisal. I do try to deal with the issues as well from time to time. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
Hardly.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
As I said, DI, P & TF are the most objective commentators on this thread. They're not infallible, but unlike some (myself included, you, EG etc) they don't bring it on themselves.....
The playing -the-man isn't in the oneupmanship (which is fair enough), but in accusing other posters of lies and deceit. Particularly not when- as you make clear above- you're not sure whether they ARE lies and deceit?Quote:
Originally Posted by DannyInvincible
It's a bit subjective suggesting those you agree with are more objective than others ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Ardee Bhoy
No-one is infallible, as Ronnie Biggs almost sang. And of course anyone posting on a web board can expect to be challenged to defend their point of view.
Unless they get banned before doing so, perhaps...
Is that a dig at OWC? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Gather round
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Originally Posted by Gather round
Those were my thoughts initially...Quote:
Originally Posted by The Fly
SwanVsDalton...don't let that put you off.
(I noticed your username is listed as OWC's latest member)
No, do.
The paranoia on there makes our friends up thread, look 'reasonable'....
Barton was unbelievably rubbish in the friendly he played for us, he will never be good enough for England and I think most of our fans knew what he meant when he said he wanted to hold out to try and get a game for them (i.e. he wanted the ROI to give him a chance).
To be honest, he's not good enough to play for the ROI either.
While I'm not particularly annoyed at losing this specific player, I really think the age limit of defections needs lowered. That has been my point all along, I've said it in all the threads on this subject. I understand why some players born in NI want to play for the ROI and I have no problem with that. What i have a problem with is people taking the **** and just trying to use us as a stop gap.
Once you play for the senior side, friendly or not, that should be you. Even earlier than that if I had my way (when you are over the age of 18 for example).
If he turns out for Ireland in a senior friendly and then declares for England I can't imagine too many roi fans being happy at that one either.
Aye, but the CAS have not set any age limit for this and probably never will.
Everyone's thus in the same boat.
The four Brit.associations should just be grateful they don't insist on a combined team....