Squad for Poland game

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Originally Posted by Guidedbyvoices

Yes. That may or may not be the case, but I would have thought that Trap as manager with a mind of his own would want the best from his managerial stint. If this is the case surely he would like to look at players who have the potential to make his team better? If he sees something in the likes of Miller, Stokes, Bruce and some of the other numphies he has brought along there is something seriously wrong]

I for one would rather go to a match to watch the likes of Garvan, McCann, McCarthy St Ledger and Noel Hunt and I am sure there are many more like me.

It will be interesting to see how many of the current squad pull out. Not too many me thinks.It will be their only chance to play a bit of football this season.

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There's a B international now and then. Plenty of Championship players on show in those games.

Go through previous threads on this forum down through the years and you'll find plenty of incidents where forum posters were demanding the call-up of certain players such as Stokes and other numphies as you call them. Noel Hunt is flavour of the month at the moment but is he better than Keane or Doyle? Personally I'd prefer the partnership of Keane and Doyle to get more game time together. I think the more they play together, the better they'll get.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

There's a B international now and then. Plenty of Championship players on show in those games.

Go through previous threads on this forum down through the years and you'll find plenty of incidents where forum posters were demanding the call-up of certain players such as Stokes and other numphies as you call them. Noel Hunt is flavour of the month at the moment but is he better than Keane or Doyle? Personally I'd prefer the partnership of Keane and Doyle to get more game time together. I think the more they play together, the better they'll get.

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Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!

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Originally Posted by Junior

Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!

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Hunt did get some mentions, but he was mostly disregarded with the usual "he plays in Scotland, so he's crap" type arguments. Ironically enough, some of these posters are now pushing for Jamie McCarthy to get a call up.

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Originally Posted by Junior

Its interesting that Hunt, whilst at Dundee Utd last year, and playing particularly well, didnt appear to get that much positive talk from foot.ie posters. Certainly not to the extent that he was a shoe in for a squad place.

He moves to Reading, carries on his good form, continues to be excluded from the squad....and all hell breaks loose!!

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well Championship >>>>>>>>Scottish Prem to be fair....

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

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Hear hear!!!

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

I think its naive to assume that everything is fine and dandy and ignore the under-current.

Eventually its going to go wrong and then people will all be jumping on the wagon.

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

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Should we sack Trapattoni now or should we wait, paul_onostradamus?

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

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But he is looking at fringe players.

There are a number of players in that squad that have have yet to be capped at senior level or that only have a handfull of caps.

I personally think Garvan is a great prospect but I don't see how he fits in with Trapattoni's formation and tactics. The same goes for Andy Reid and, if he made himself available, Stephen Ireland.

There're 3 strikers in the squad that have yet to be adequately tested at international level. Whelan, Gibson and Andrews likewise in midfield and the same with a number of selected defenders.

Trapattoni believes in his system of play - the team is more important than the individual.

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Originally Posted by paul_oshea

There are serious misgivings and shortcomings in the squad above, Trap has got it very wrong.

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There are questions about the squad but so far Trap has got it right.
Getting it right is measured by success on the pitch
To claim he has got it wrong is, as ifk101 alludes to, mystic meg territory.

Trap will not shake up the squad in a friendly mid campaign just to have a look at new faces. He is using this friendly to further solidify his squad, for the rest of the campaign.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I think the bulk of the squad picks itself and most of the debate is on the fringe players – the “next in lines”. In this instance I think the fringe players aren’t the best fringe players. We need to plan for contingencies and the firm impression is given that we’re not looking at our best options.

If Andrews is a better player now than Garvan for example then fine. I find it hard to tell. Maybe I am getting too hung up on potential and if Miller is a better player than Garvan & O’Toole, again so be it. If Miller was in Ipswich’s midfield would he do better than Garvan? Maybe, it is about his level after all.

Even in Andy Reid’s case I think it’s fair to say that Trap doesn’t see him as a CM option. He should, however, be considered as a different type of wide player than Duff, McGeady or Hunt.

I’m disappointed because this type of game (and let’s not forget the 4 days or so that Trap has the squad together for a warts and all inspection) is the ideal time to look at one or two of the fringe players – I’m not saying all 6 or 7.

With regard to Hunt: it’s not a drastic error but players playing well have to be rewarded over players who aren’t even playing.

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As rational and level headed as usual. Class is permanent:)

Andy Reid and Joey O´Brien are good enough for the squad but if they have not met Trap's expressed standards, Trap is under no obligation to select them.

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Originally Posted by ifk101

But he is looking at fringe players.

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True, but you can't really say that in the case of Foley for instance he's taking a punt. He really has no other option with Finnan and Kelly out & McShane unimpressive.

Garvan & Gibson are similar players in both style & physique. I personally think Garvan is a better bet than Gibson.

I think Reid's omission is just plain wrong.

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

True, but you can't really say that in the case of Foley for instance he's taking a punt. He really has no other option with Finnan and Kelly out & McShane unimpressive.

Garvan & Gibson are similar players in both style & physique. I personally think Garvan is a better bet than Gibson.

I think Reid's omission is just plain wrong.

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I'm in agreement with you about Garvan/Gibson - I think Garvan is the better of the two but Trapattoni has had a close look at Garvan on a number of occasions at this stage so we can't say he hasn't evaluated his options in this instance.

The following is an extract taken from toda'sy Irish Times regarding Trapattoni and Andy Reid,

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/...355683923.html

"I have nothing against any player, they are all like my children. I just want a solid team with a good balance that plays international football. Like this table, with its legs, you have to be solid. Andy has very good qualities but not necessarily what we need.

It's nothing against one particular player, let's make it clear. I know that if we get to the point where our team dominates the game and we have the right balance, then, of course, Andy can be very useful to us. This particular position only works if we are playing the ball, but if we are under pressure then this particular type of play doesn't work. I can't turn someone into a worker. I can't turn someone into a craftsman if that is not his job.

I wanted to test the situation in Portugal but there was injury. I didn't get the chance to try him and now it's qualify, qualify, qualify . . . we can't gamble.

I've been able to build a team that has a certain balance and I can't keep changing, I need to stick to what I've found. I have to be coherent. There is a philosopher who says, if you are too coherent, you run the risk of being an imbecile, but I can't keep changing."

I think this is fair enough. Trapattoni knows what he wants and unfortunately Andy Reid doesn't fit in the picture.

Trapattoni is not planning for the long term.We need to qualify for this tournament and I believe that whether we qualify or not Trapattoni will not be staying on beyound this time(hopefully after South Africa 2006)I think that his regular squad are the players he has put his faith and loyalty into and that he is not going to make major changes.Whether this is the correct thing to do or not I just think that is the way its going to be.Its a short term plan but from Trapattonis point of view the longer term can be left to the next manager.

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Originally Posted by seanfhear

Trapattoni is not planning for the long term.

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He's not going to be here in the long term, isn't his contract only up until the World Cup in South Africa?

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Originally Posted by ifk101

unfortunately Andy Reid doesn't fit in the picture.

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isn't it extraodinary the number of unintentional puns that come up when discussing Andy Reid?

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Originally Posted by tetsujin1979

He's not going to be here in the long term, isn't his contract only up until the World Cup in South Africa?

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Thats always been my reading of it. I was presuming (probably incorrectly) that Brady and Tardelli, if the partnership is relatively decent this campaign would go forward as the next managerial appointment.
If they were it would make sense for one of them to be in charge of a regular B squad over the next 18 months, in order to have a decent progression after this campaign.

Lets face it, after WC2010, the following will go/may go,
Kiely, Finnan, Kilbane, Carsley,
while the following will need to seriously buck up their careers to be considered,
Miller, Delaney, Murphy (J), Gibson, Long.

Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dummy's gone mad since the squad was announced, and apart from the usual pro-Reid stuff, he believes Trappattoni should be sacked because he doesn't watch the players at their clubs. :rolleyes:

His interview is on the RTE football audio page.

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Originally Posted by weldoninho

He doesn't go to matches

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Why should he go?? That's what he has a back-up team for.

There's little point in him flying over to PL/Championship games, featuring teams who play a completely different style of football from what he does.

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I don’t think that Staunton would have done any worse to be honest and certainly Kerr and McCarthy could have done better,

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Last year, we were 10 points behind the qualifiers. This year, we're 3 points behind the leaders with a game in hand. And some people think the above would do better??

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Originally Posted by mypost

Apologies if it's been posted before, but Dummy's gone mad since the squad was announced, and apart from the usual pro-Reid stuff, he believes Trappattoni should be sacked because he doesn't watch the players at their clubs. :rolleyes:

His interview is on the RTE football audio page.

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Yeah - just what we need. Another tragi-comic search for a new manager.