I think bluewhitearmy and all the other Limerick fans on here whinging should organise a boycott outside the Markets Field on opening night and see how ridiculous your argument will look then....
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I think bluewhitearmy and all the other Limerick fans on here whinging should organise a boycott outside the Markets Field on opening night and see how ridiculous your argument will look then....
It's costing you nothing to build so you're getting a ground (all be it not a great one) built for you with no contributions from Limerick FC. I absolutely agree with Nigel's point that you don't have to be happy about it and I'm not suggesting you should. What I am saying, is that this is the situation you're in so try and see the positives of moving away from Thomond and potentially what that could evolve into over the coming years. I wish you well anyway and will leave it at that!Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Ya that does make sense tbh it will be better than being in Thomond no matter what.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
You want people to come to your games ?Quote:
Originally Posted by bluewhitearmy
Start winning.
You want to build a fanbase ?
Start winning.
The season before last we couldn't get the dogs in the street to come & see us play.
Last season we couldn't keep them out.
So what changed ?
Were we all of a sudden playing like Barcelona ? No.
Were we all of a sudden giving out prawn sandwiches at half time ? No.
Did our facilities suddenly become five star ? No.
So what changed ?
We started winning games, that's what changed.
Instead of conceding last minute goals we started scoring them.
Instead of turning draws into loses, we started turning draws into wins.
If you start winning games people will come to see you play.
Everyone wants to be part of a winning team.
It won't matter whether you're playing in the Aviva or a car park.
Whether you're playing like Barca or pure ****e.
To the vast majority it won't matter as long as you're winning.
Football is a results game.
You win they will come.
This will bring in the money which you can use to improve facilities.
This will bring in the sponsors who want to be associated with winners.
The hard part is trying to do it without sending the club into financial ruin & this is where League of Ireland clubs have always had problems.
I'll try to explain to everyone on here saying "just get on with it" & "it's better than nothing".
Us people giving out about the stupid plans are not greed, we don't want an instant supermodern 10,000 all seater stadium for free.
Think about it this way the LEDP were given the ground for free, they also got funding of 1.5m.
Fair enough the are getting the ground ready(ish) for LOI football but that's their job that's why the ground was given to them in the first place, to build a stadium Limerick can be proud of! They have failed miserably on that.
Think how could anyone make a bigger f*ck up of this, how would this be possible?????
They got a free ground and free money to develop but you'd swear they wanted f*uk it up and f*ck Limerick FC up by building a tiny ugly patchy 1980s LOI ground bits and pieces of sheds plonked here and there, then they decide there'll be no bar (even tho there is already one there) and the club can just bring in a big expensive lorry that sells drinks on match days. Then Limerick can play games in Thomond Park if we're expecting a decent crowd, sure while their at it limit the number of days Limerick FC can use the ground to ah 22 days in a whole year...just in case anyone was thinking it's Limerick FCs permanent home!!
We're not expecting much but this is a big opportunity missed imo.
Seriously how could LEDP have done worse?
Hopefully the pitch will be nice anyway. Oh ya and this has taken about 5 years without any building work being done besides the wall around the pitch.
Further progress update on the proposed Brandywell Development.
http://www.derrydaily.net/2014/11/18...SX_lc.facebook
I don't think the €1.5 million will go very far.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueblood
Glad you agree especially when it's wasted on little stands with a capacity of 300 or whatever scattered around the ground, as I said nobody is expecting a 10,000 all seater but you could probably build one half decent stand for that money and refurbish the existing stand and never mind wrecking the rest of the ground, just do it properly from the start with room for expansion.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
That's why they were given the ground in the first place so they could get grants and investors and build something the people of Limerick can be proud of, that's not happening and it's a pity but that's life I suppose.
Something I picked up on today.Quote:
Originally Posted by blueblood
Oldham Athletic are building a new stand with a capacity of 2340.
Nice size I would say for a League of Ireland ground.
Cost £5 million. That's approx €6.25 million.
So as i said you won't get much for €1.5 million especially if you have to put in a half decent pitch as well.
Any idea where Derry are going to play while redevelopment is happening?Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Windsor ParkQuote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
I would guess, the Brandywell. Safe to assume the pitch will be built in the off-season after the stand is completed.Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
Forgive my stupidity but how is that going to work? Relay a pitch right up to the existing stand which is being retained and then demolish and build behind a fence at the opposite side?Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
Doesn't look like there's much hope for the goals ends with the space that being left
Oui/Non?
In fairness that's some stand/office space/gym area, a lot more than I would expect in fact it's similar to Limerick original plans from years ago. The pitch was done before this e1.5m grant and I don't think anyone was expecting the stadium to be completed with e1.5m that was never the plan, LEDP were supposed to invest in the ground themselves.Quote:
Originally Posted by disgruntled
Everyone had planned something bigger but there's no getting away from the fact we're getting one of the worst grounds in the premier division and all the early talk of 'a stadium Limerick can be proud of' won't happen. Thank god they got this grant money or there'd be feck all done, that was never the intention.
Just out of curiosity how much did the main stand at Turners Cross cost? Or Athlones stand.
Not sure they're for sale, like the ambition though.
Grant Aid of 200k just announced tonight from FAI to Deacy Park for upgrade of facilities and completion of dressing rooms in new Comer stand
Was it from the FAI? I thought it was a sports capital grant from the government?Quote:
Originally Posted by Guitd
B*stards ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
Government grant - was announced by Minister for Sport & Tourism, Michael
Ring
4G pitch going down in the Brandywell, but to level the pitch off and remove "the hill" would take 2 years to complete
why would it take 2 years?
They've decided to use spoons to save money.
Well the pitch would have to be dug up and levelled off, in fact it would only take 2 years if it was a grass pitch because of growth and stuff like that. That came from one of our groundsmen. I'm not too sure what the timeframe would be for the astro, but 100% sure the whole pitch needs levelled, it has a 7ft drop from on end to the otherQuote:
Originally Posted by dong
Some more welcome news. Now if only a few more grounds could get something....
http://www.fai.ie/domestic/news/fai-...irish-football
Nothing for Louth. The facilities in Dundalk and Drogheda must be too good to improve.Quote:
Originally Posted by ger121
Aye the one's that need it.No harm to Deacy Park or to Cork but come on ........
Louth was the first one that sprung to mind.
I'd like to know who applied. If you don't apply, you get nothing. It's the away fans that will most likely benefit from our grant :p
So the FAI decide where the sports capital money goes. Therefore any clubs who annoy Delaney are quite likely to be frozen out of any grant money. Another reason not to rock the boat.
Aye Dundalk didnt apply.That would be wrongQuote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
I was going to say the Markets Field could have done with that grant but then I read the below article.
http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland...eld-254079.htm
Looking at this article it says:
LEDP raised €400,00
Government grant - €1.1m
And then an additional fund from the JP McManus Foundation - €1.5m
Total - €3m in funding for he Markets Field.
I have been under the impression that €1.5m is the total of funding for the Markets Field. That article says different and there have also been articles saying the FAI have given grants. No one seems to know what the story actually is. There may be a bit of confusion with that piece i'd imagine.
Will come in extremely handy for Mounthawk Park - the KDL were going ahead with the project regardless, but the grant will defray a large proportion of the costs. May 1st will be the official opening.
As far as I know LEDP raised the 400k through previous grants/donations etc, government grant of 1.1m and JP purchased MF for 1.5m.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jofspring
I know that the MFA were looking for funding for specific projects at Turners Cross. A permanent structure should be built behind the St. Annes end to provide toilet facilities. Maybe Dundalk et all didn't apply, or maybe their applications weren't as specific/detailed.
In fairness there is enough for clubs to be doing during the season (and as we now know post season as well), it would be easy enough for something like this to fall down the list of priorities. Clubs rarely have enough volunteers as it is, finding time to put together applications for this sort of thing may be tough, and they may not have the expertise to put a funding application together. The MFA/GFA in contrast are likely very well versed in this process.
I would imagine that clubs who own and operate their own grounds do not devote as much time to planning the future development of their facilities as representative bodies such as the MFA. As you say, the work that is involved in getting a team through several domestic competitions and a European one (hopefully) is staggering.Quote:
Originally Posted by El-Pietro
The end result are woefully inadequate facilities in many of the biggest football areas in the country.
This is also unlikely to change as day to day oerating pressures only seem to increase.
No offence taken old boy, Considering Dundalk are champions and looking at European football next season and that Drogs are in dire need of some help, you'd think something would have gone Louths way....Quote:
Originally Posted by Dunny
Maybe the FAI think that Drogs/United Park is now in a such a dire situation (ground, board chaos etc.) that it might be seen as throwing good money after bad and that a move is the only answer and that the money might not be administered effectively... You'd think Dundalk would have gotten something though....
ye might have to do a DVD boys....:p
Did they apply? I have heard unsubstantiated rumours that they didn't. The Government doesn't call you up and ask you if you'd like a grant!Quote:
Originally Posted by SalvadorSanchez
They sure don't.... it's a poor show if that's the case....Quote:
Originally Posted by Pablo Escobar
From my knowledge of LTFC affairs I know we've applied several times and haven't gotten anything. I think 2006 was the last time we got anything and that was only €25k or so. Now I'm not privy to the exact applications that went in but I doubt they were all substandard. You'd expect some bit of guidance that would enable you to figure out where you were going wrong after one or two applications anyway. It shouldn't be all that complicated. Expensive maybe if you have to pay for a professional job but not difficult.