Cork City denied a licence; club to be wound up; FORAS to enter First Division

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22/02/2010, 4:13 PM
chatterbox

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Originally Posted by tippex

According to here the Revenue are owed close to 164K I thought it was 107k....

Seems to be a discrepancy alright. No one has explained why yet...
22/02/2010, 4:13 PM
weecountyman

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Originally Posted by redgav

1. The money looks like it was paid by Stephen O'Keeffe which was a loan and what ****ed off the revenue so much,not gotten the full story from the court yet though
2.NEVER EVER trust Billy Barry
3.Don't care ..im off out to get hammered to celebrate a TNB freezone and the end to a 2 year nightmare

Thanks Redgav, and for the warning on Billy Barry, just listened to the 96fm sports news.

As regards to O'Keefe "owning" a player, this sounds worse than it is. It is common (began in South America) for businessmen to contribute to their local club in the form of a loan to pay the wages of a player. When said player moves on they recoup their investment and possibly make a profit. There should be a very direct paper trail to the club and it's all legal and above board. After all the player is simply an moveable asset.
22/02/2010, 4:15 PM
tippex

yeah but 50 odd grand seems like a huge jump considering they have had no games since november...
22/02/2010, 4:15 PM
Longfordian

Are you having a laugh do you think it wouldn't have come out before now if there was a direct paper trail to the club?. Not a hope TNB had any agreement. Third party ownership is banned in England and at the least has to be declared here I'd imagine.
22/02/2010, 4:16 PM
Sam_Heggy

Anyone know what time Roddy C is to be on Newstalk? There is only so much George Hook that one can listen to, he's bad enough doing the Rugby.
22/02/2010, 4:20 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by tippex

yeah but 50 odd grand seems like a huge jump considering they have had no games since november...

Maybe they were only suing for arrears on an agreement, but now it's for the whole lot?
22/02/2010, 4:20 PM
Leeside Swagger

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

Are you hvaing a laugh do you think it wouldn't have come out before now if there was a direct paper trail to the club?. Not a hope TNB had any agreement. Third party ownership is banned in England and at the least has to be declared here I'd imagine.

+1
This surely would have come out already, I've never heard of any case of a private individual owning a player in this country. It's a wink wink nudge nudge TNB's special, saved for the last minute of the last day.
22/02/2010, 4:21 PM
tippex

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Anyone know what time Roddy C is to be on Newstalk? There is only so much George Hook that one can listen to, he's bad enough doing the Rugby.

I'd imagine it would be offtheball after 7.
22/02/2010, 4:21 PM
Dodge

Presume he'll be off the ball after 7
22/02/2010, 4:22 PM
tippex

would be interesting to see if there was anything in the licensing about player ownership.
22/02/2010, 4:23 PM
weecountyman

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Originally Posted by Longfordian

Are you hvaing a laugh do you think it wouldn't have come out before now if there was a direct paper trail to the club?. Not a hope TNB had any agreement. Third party ownership is banned in England and at the least has to be declared here I'd imagine.

Longfordian, sorry, I didn't explain it properly. The money is loaned to the club, there is a given undertaking to repay same loan, the loan is understood to be against x or y (player sale(s), gate money, European participation, sale of ground etc). It may well be it was the form of a handshake, but due to money laundering laws and restrictions most business people would want it on paper.

Heggy, keep the faith, but it's most likely Off the Ball he'll be on (he's contracted to Thursdays normally but he's been on regularly).

A question someone might be able to answer, why on the podcast/download from Off the Ball on NT never carries Roddys bit, only some non-sensical rambling about Spain, Italy or England?
22/02/2010, 4:24 PM
redgav

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Originally Posted by Sam_Heggy

Anyone know what time Roddy C is to be on Newstalk? There is only so much George Hook that one can listen to, he's bad enough doing the Rugby.

I'd rather pluck the hairs from between tyhe cheeks of my arse than listen to that mong ...he'll have nothing to add on this bar what affects him personally
22/02/2010, 4:25 PM
Longfordian

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Originally Posted by weecountyman

Longfordian, sorry, I didn't explain it properly. The money is loaned to the club, there is a given undertaking to repay same loan, the loan is understood to be against x or y (player sale(s), gate money, European participation, sale of ground etc). It may well be it was the form of a handshake, but due to money laundering laws and restrictions most business people would want it on paper.

Heggy, keep the faith, but it's most likely Off the Ball he'll be on (he's contracted to Thursdays normally but he's been on regularly).

A question someone might be able to answer, why on the podcast/download from Off the Ball on NT never carries Roddys bit, only some non-sensical rambling about Spain, Italy or England?

That's completely different from owning the player in fairness. That may well be the case here but that's just a secured loan.
22/02/2010, 4:27 PM
tippex

I know that clubs have 3 days to appeal if they don't get the license they applied for but conversely could other clubs appeal the granting of a license that they did not feel was deserved?
22/02/2010, 4:28 PM
Leeside Swagger

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Originally Posted by weecountyman

A question someone might be able to answer, why on the podcast/download from Off the Ball on NT never carries Roddys bit, only some non-sensical rambling about Spain, Italy or England?

Theres a listenback thing on the website you'll be able to get it on if you miss it.
22/02/2010, 4:33 PM
bluemovie

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Originally Posted by higgins

If Cork City FC has changed ownership then the licence committee need to now dish out the punishment for the broken deadlines, 65% salary cap, non payment of players, non payment of creditors and the lies told.

That was all done in the name of Cork City FC, I don't care who the owner was at the time...

The FAI/ILC have never let a change of owner wipe the slate clean previously.
Why should they do it now?

That's it in a nutshell. It doesn't matter that TNB was doing things against the fans' wishes. He cheated, therefore Cork City cheated, and so they finished in a false position. If Bray had signed Ronaldo and Torres (and not paid them), they probably would have stayed up.

And if I can stretch to another analogy, after Hitler popped his clogs, they didn't let the new nice Germans keep Poland and the Sudetenland.
22/02/2010, 4:36 PM
Dodge

Thread over. Someone compared Cork to Hitler's Germany...
22/02/2010, 4:40 PM
Longfordian

Godwin's Law they call it isn't it?.
22/02/2010, 4:41 PM
Roo69

So when will be the FAI annoucing they have given Cork a Premier licence and will be allowing them to take part in the Premier Division season now? Surely they have to make an announcement this evening, i though it was due by 5pm?
22/02/2010, 4:41 PM
Mr A

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Originally Posted by Dodge

Thread over. Someone compared Cork to Hitler's Germany...

Comparing Corkonians to people with ridiculous accents that think they're somehow inherently better than everyone else on the planet?

Not as mad as it first sounds actually.....
22/02/2010, 4:41 PM
bluemovie

Didn't think anyone would mind me comparing Tom to Adolf.....well maybe the Hitler family.
22/02/2010, 4:43 PM
pineapple stu

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Originally Posted by Roo69

So when will be the FAI annoucing they have given Cork a Premier licence and will be allowing them to take part in the Premier Division season now? Surely they have to make an announcement this evening, i though it was due by 5pm?

Meeting now at 7:30, according to someone an hour (and 5 pages) ago.
22/02/2010, 4:45 PM
Roo69

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Meeting now at 7:30, according to someone an hour (and 5 pages) ago.

thanks for the update
22/02/2010, 4:49 PM
Danny

should make for a fun / tense friendly tonight.
22/02/2010, 5:00 PM
Roo69

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Originally Posted by Danny

should make for a fun / tense friendly tonight.

It would be very nice to hear good news just at kick off but i highly doubt it.... so i'm reckoning it will be fiesty :P
22/02/2010, 5:04 PM
Rocketman

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Originally Posted by bluemovie

That's it in a nutshell. It doesn't matter that TNB was doing things against the fans' wishes. He cheated, therefore Cork City cheated, and so they finished in a false position. If Bray had signed Ronaldo and Torres (and not paid them), they probably would have stayed up.

And if I can stretch to another analogy, after Hitler popped his clogs, they didn't let the new nice Germans keep Poland and the Sudetenland.

We (Derry City) where punished for the actions of our previous board and rightly so, Cork should be treated the same as it is in the name on Cork City...new board or not Cork City have broken many rules. The book should be thrown at them the way it was at us.
22/02/2010, 5:04 PM
**FrOsTy**

Talking to a few City fans, they're very confident of a premier licence after todays break through.

Shambolic!
22/02/2010, 5:05 PM
redgav

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Originally Posted by pineapple stu

Meeting now at 7:30, according to someone an hour (and 5 pages) ago.

that was me ,its at 7pm ,presumably to allow Brays lawyers a chance to get a bite to eat before making their way from the courthouse to Abbotstown ;-)
22/02/2010, 5:14 PM
weecountyman

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...ty-447305.html

Pretty clear here, but how on earth could it happen that someone was watching the news, saw that the money from the transfer was not going to him and then jumped into the equation? Surely Tom and co would have said something to him! This is unbelievable.
22/02/2010, 5:22 PM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by weecountyman

http://www.irishexaminer.com/breakin...ty-447305.html

Pretty clear here, but how on earth could it happen that someone was watching the news, saw that the money from the transfer was not going to him and then jumped into the equation? Surely Tom and co would have said something to him! This is unbelievable.

This is Tom Coughlan we're talking about. You don't seem to realise what he is like. This is par for the course for him.
22/02/2010, 5:27 PM
harry crumb

Great day for Cork City fans.

We can get back to talking about the actual football on the pitch. Hopefully in the Premier Division.
22/02/2010, 5:29 PM
weecountyman

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

This is Tom Coughlan we're talking about. You don't seem to realise what he is like. This is par for the course for him.

I know he can tell lies with the best of them, Roddy, and can get away with the most outlandish statements unchecked. But I just thought, well, jeez, I just thought there was some shred of normality there!
22/02/2010, 5:34 PM
shep

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Originally Posted by harry crumb

Great day for Cork City fans.

We can get back to talking about the actual football on the pitch. Hopefully in the Premier Division.

Ah in all fairness while it might be a great day to have gotten rid of Coughlan,it will be an absolute joke if/when you get a premier licence.A sad day for football if it happens.How the f*ck can the ILC justify all the rule breaking and missed deadlines
22/02/2010, 5:35 PM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by weecountyman

I know he can tell lies with the best of them, Roddy, and can get away with the most outlandish statements unchecked. But I just thought, well, jeez, I just thought there was some shred of normality there!

We used to think that as well, needless to say, everytime he surprises us and goes further than we thought possible. He has no regard for anyone but himself, and once he makes a profit he couldnt care what anyone else thinks, or whether it is legal or morally right.

I think he needs to be committed to be honest.
22/02/2010, 5:37 PM
weecountyman

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Originally Posted by El-Pietro

We used to think that as well, needless to say, everytime he surprises us and goes further than we thought possible. He has no regard for anyone but himself, and once he makes a profit he couldnt care what anyone else thinks, or whether it is legal or morally right.

I think he needs to be committed to be honest.

Are we talking about Tom or Roddy? :-)

I'm glad that at least there's a stronger chance of FORAS taking over, and the long term aim has to be a completely supporter controlled club.
22/02/2010, 5:55 PM
SMorgan

The contension that the club is worth a few hundredgrand if in the Premier and worthless if in the First is a load of BS. The club would be stronger if building from the first. Hopefully the FAI will see through this crap.
22/02/2010, 6:00 PM
El-Pietro

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

The contension that the club is worth a few hundredgrand if in the Premier and worthless if in the First is a load of BS. The club would be stronger if building from the first. Hopefully the FAI will see through this crap.

We dont care what division were in, obviously wed prefer the Premier, but we just want to hold on to our name and history. We don't want Tom Coughlan to have been involved for just 15/18 months and destroy everything we have. We may not be left with much, but we aren't about to give it up if we have any opportunity to hold on to it
22/02/2010, 6:10 PM
jebus

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Originally Posted by harry crumb

Great day for Cork City fans.

We can get back to talking about the actual football on the pitch. Hopefully in the Premier Division.

Very easy for a football supporter to take the moral high ground regarding a situation that doesn't involve their club I know but if Cork get a licence for the Premier it will only confirm the vast majority of barstoolers', and a sizeable amount of LoI fan's suspicions that these two leagues of ours are painful jokes played out at idiots' expenses, namely myself, yourself and everyone else that has wasted their time trying to keep their heads up amidst the myriad of rubbish that gets served to us each and every year
22/02/2010, 6:13 PM
redgav

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Originally Posted by SMorgan

The contension that the club is worth a few hundredgrand if in the Premier and worthless if in the First is a load of BS. The club would be stronger if building from the first. Hopefully the FAI will see through this crap.

No it wouldn't .It'd be stronger for doing its utmost to try pay back and keep on board those businesses,sponsors,staff and others who were shat on by Arkaga and shat on by TNB...We need businesses and sponsors ,us folding and taking the easy way out would lose us a lot of financial support.We're not gonna be able to do that while in the first division and getting shag all revenue
22/02/2010, 6:13 PM
Celdrog

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Originally Posted by Licensing Manual

The implementation of the club licensing process in Ireland is vigorously checked through a process of annual audit conducted by internationally renowned auditing firm SGS Europe, which ensures that the FAI Club Licensing Department maintains the required standards set down by UEFA for licensors.

Gonna be fun to see how the FAI explain their decision to UEFA, Delaney's not exactly flavour of the month wth Platini

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Originally Posted by redgav

No it wouldn't .It'd be stronger for doing its utmost to try pay back and keep on board those businesses,sponspor,staff and others who were shat on by Arkaga and shat on by TNB...We need businesses and sponsors ,us foilding and traking the easy way out would lose us a lot of financial support.We're not gonna be able to do that while in the first division and getting shag all revenue

That's why they allowed Tom Coughlan to take over in the first place, because of what Arkaga did. With taking on between �600k and �1.2M in debt what guarantee is there that we will not be here again next year having shat on creditors and sponsors three years in a row.

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