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Originally Posted by joey B

Jonathan Hill confirms Stephen Kenny will be in charge for remaining three games of Euro 2024 campaign and friendly with New Zealand

Suggests full in-depth review will take place then

Per Dan McDonnell.

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- The FAI have looked at the playing population and feel there isn't a whole lot more that someone other than SK can extract from whats available, at a price that can be afforded; or
- The Media "ins" in the FAI aren't what they appear to be (therefore they've no credibility - John Fallon looks to be particularly guillable in this regard) regarding providing an accurate FAI position post-NL;
- As crowds have held (with a disclaimer), the need to push the big red button isn't as pressing just yet;
- the FAI are/were in the process of sounding someone else out and realise the wages just are too much;
- The FAI is in ever worse financial state than we thought;

I'm wondering about the timing of the John Giles soundbyte now after seeing the McDonnell tweet. It came out of nowhere and was a real surprise.

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

If Jonathan Hill thinks fans like me are making another 200+ mile round trip to watch this crap again he needs to get out for some fresh air and a think.

I wonder what Lansdowne Road looks like with <20,000 people in there.

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Those of us who've been there for 20k attendances know what it looks like :-)

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Those of us who've been there for 20k attendances know what it looks like :-)

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toilet bowl half full or half empty?

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

there's nothing there?

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Fixed it, hadn't pased the twitter id correctly

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Originally Posted by SkStu

Cant agree that this is the best thing to do for all concerned. As tets says, he is a lame duck - he knows it, the players know it, the fans know it. Keeping him there (unless there are significant financial implications to terminating) is no good for anyone. Even a caretaker role would be better for all concerned.

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I know it’s not going to happen, but he should actually resign. It’s all done, and it would be clearly be helpful for the succession if he went now.

I'm not sure why there's such a big discussion over how many players a manager has given a debut to. There's no manager in the world that would ignore a talent like Evan Ferguson. Why should Stephen Kenny, or any other manager for that matter, get credit for picking him?

Surely Steve Staunton must have given out about a dozen debuts on that trip to America in 2007 or so when we played Ecuador and someone else? Does he get credit for picking Joseph Lapira?

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

I'm not sure why there's such a big discussion over how many players a manager has given a debut to. There's no manager in the world that would ignore a talent like Evan Ferguson. Why should Stephen Kenny, or any other manager for that matter, get credit for picking him?

Surely Steve Staunton must have given out about a dozen debuts on that trip to America in 2007 or so when we played Ecuador and someone else? Does he get credit for picking Joseph Lapira?

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Maybe from Joseph Lapira.

Don’t know how many times I’ve heard the line that “no-one could have done better with these players” excuse. Worth remembering that Anthony Barry seems to have managed to do it.

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Originally Posted by Colbert Report

I'm not sure why there's such a big discussion over how many players a manager has given a debut to. There's no manager in the world that would ignore a talent like Evan Ferguson. Why should Stephen Kenny, or any other manager for that matter, get credit for picking him?

Surely Steve Staunton must have given out about a dozen debuts on that trip to America in 2007 or so when we played Ecuador and someone else? Does he get credit for picking Joseph Lapira?

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Because, when O'Neill was sacked, one of the criticisms of his, and Trapattoni's, time in charge was that no players were breaking into the team, it was the same players in every squad

The dearth of good players in their late 20s is not because O'Neill didn't cap them, it's because they don't exist. There was an understandable frustration that we were continuing to rely on players Glen Whelan and Jonathan Walters, but the idea that it was happening because O'Neill was ignoring good young alternatives is just wrong.

SKs celebrations after a poxy late winner v New Zealand after losing two and maybe winning v Gibraltar will be too much for some I'd wager. There are times in this life when it's best to look away.

I thought when Carsleys contract was up at England it coincided with some of his mates in the media pushing his name forward for the job, Dunne and Kilbane especially. I had hoped this meant that some back door discussions had been had between the FAI and Carsley and there was a gentlemans agreement in place. More fool me for thinking the FAI could act like a normal semi well run business.

Instead now we have a lame duck manager, when the 4 coming games could have been preparation for a new guy. We'll end up in a long review process that the FAI always love, they might even try to get Mazars back in for the craic, and at the end of the process we'll end up with Sam Allardyce or Neil Lennon.

Today is utterly depressing

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Originally Posted by John83

The dearth of good players in their late 20s is not because O'Neill didn't cap them, it's because they don't exist. There was an understandable frustration that we were continuing to rely on players Glen Whelan and Jonathan Walters, but the idea that it was happening because O'Neill was ignoring good young alternatives is just wrong.

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I don't think he even knew where to look though and when he did pick an emerging player he'd pick him out of position (not that I can remember any examples now though!).

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Originally Posted by Stuttgart88

I don't think he even knew where to look though and when he did pick an emerging player he'd pick him out of position (not that I can remember any examples now though!).

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How could you forget Cyrus C in midfield having been told to run around and add energy ? ;)

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Originally Posted by John83

The dearth of good players in their late 20s is not because O'Neill didn't cap them, it's because they don't exist. There was an understandable frustration that we were continuing to rely on players Glen Whelan and Jonathan Walters, but the idea that it was happening because O'Neill was ignoring good young alternatives is just wrong.

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We'd have Jack Grealish if MON wasn't so conservative and **** at bringing through young talent. Remember seeing him play for Notts County at 18 and it was obvious how special he was and that he was ready to play international football. And MON waited until Jack was doing it for Villa.

Listen to Obafemi's interview from summer, https://x.com/offtheball/status/1661...388410881?s=20 That's how bad he was. I guarantee you if I was in charge, Rice would also have been capped nine months before he was capped by MON

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Originally Posted by backstothewall

If Jonathan Hill thinks fans like me are making another 200+ mile round trip to watch this crap again he needs to get out for some fresh air and a think.

I wonder what Lansdowne Road looks like with <20,000 people in there.

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Did you forget Martin O'Neills final home game? I think there were about 17,000 that day against Northern Ireland, with the away side heaving full and the rest of the ground embarrassingly empty.

If fans like you want to stay at home, you're welcome to, but the rest of us will still make our 200+ mile round trip.

The FAI clearly have no resources to do the multiple jobs that need to be done and that includes finding a new manager apparently.

As McDonnell said on his podcast, the real focus should be on securing a large chunk of the money going to dog and horse racing so we can develop football in the country to a point where we are competitive again. That should be the one and only thing they are focused on. Instead we have a managerial replacement circus and a strategic plan that was never attainable.

I don't even care if the money goes towards helping players get to other countries for their development. That is, at least, a plan and Luxembourg seem to have implemented a version of it well although their plan included domestic investment.

The saddest thing about Kenny not working out is the amount of people who seem to think it's completely down to him. In reality, his struggles against the likes of Luxembourg paint a far grimmer picture. They invest, we do not. They have been planning for decades while we've been neglecting. We are sliding down the rankings for a reason. The FAI is in a complete shambles.

But Carsley should sort it all out. No bother.

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Originally Posted by ontheotherhand

The FAI clearly have no resources to do the multiple jobs that need to be done and that includes finding a new manager apparently.

As McDonnell said on his podcast, the real focus should be on securing a large chunk of the money going to dog and horse racing so we can develop football in the country to a point where we are competitive again. That should be the one and only thing they are focused on. Instead we have a managerial replacement circus and a strategic plan that was never attainable.

I don't even care if the money goes towards helping players get to other countries for their development. That is, at least, a plan and Luxembourg seem to have implemented a version of it well although their plan included domestic investment.

The saddest thing about Kenny not working out is the amount of people who seem to think it's completely down to him. In reality, his struggles against the likes of Luxembourg paint a far grimmer picture. They invest, we do not. They have been planning for decades while we've been neglecting. We are sliding down the rankings for a reason. The FAI is in a complete shambles.

But Carsley should sort it all out. No bother.

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Nail on the head for me. Couldn't agree more.

What ever happened to Traps assistant, Tardelli? He wouldn't be a bad hire.

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Originally Posted by Crosby87

What ever happened to Traps assistant, Tardelli? He wouldn't be a bad hire.

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Like Trapp - Tardelli is old school Italian - park the bus outside the penalty area and hope to win 1-0.

Besides he hasn't had a job since he left Ireland in 2013.

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Originally Posted by Razors left peg

I thought when Carsleys contract was up at England it coincided with some of his mates in the media pushing his name forward for the job, Dunne and Kilbane especially. I had hoped this meant that some back door discussions had been had between the FAI and Carsley and there was a gentlemans agreement in place. More fool me for thinking the FAI could act like a normal semi well run business.

Instead now we have a lame duck manager, when the 4 coming games could have been preparation for a new guy. We'll end up in a long review process that the FAI always love, they might even try to get Mazars back in for the craic, and at the end of the process we'll end up with Sam Allardyce or Neil Lennon.

Today is utterly depressing

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There could be two football reasons why they are keeping Kenny for the moment.

1. They want Carsley and can't afford any compo - so they are waiting for his current contract to run out - which may be in the new year (he was offered a new contract in July - there was a break clause in the contract then - which is when the FAI should have acted if they really want him). On top of that, apparently Carsley has expressed an interest in a club job - so he may not want to stay in the international set-up - and he is also being touted as Southgate's replacement in 18 months.
2. They know they can't get Carsley and are eyeing someone else who may be out of contract in the new year - e.g. Chris Hughton's contract with Ghana is up after AFCON in January.

Today is indeed strange particularly the wording that there will be a review after the friendly, after the campaign. Kenny himself looked like he thought he was going in the Dutch post match, looked absolutely beaten by this, so why did the FAI wrestle him on the break clauses in this present contract only to not avail of them ? Would the play off chance still having a vague pulse protect him in the contract ?

I don't accept they haven't been working on this to be honest, they must have been. So it's either someone is lined up from November, or the unmentioned nuclear option that they don't consider Kenny's results to be far below the ceiling of what can be reasonably expected of this squad with particular reference to midfield options available.

Would people sounded out have balked at the qualification requirement and passed on it leaving them stuck with what they have and having to think again ?

All very strange as I say, but this should be over this week & yet it isn't.

Yes I’m looking at it like they’re letting SK contract run out and have Carsley ready to go.
Maybe that’s wishful thinking but it would make sense financially

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Originally Posted by Jolly Red Giant

There could be two football reasons why they are keeping Kenny for the moment.

1. They want Carsley and can't afford any compo - so they are waiting for his current contract to run out - which may be in the new year (he was offered a new contract in July - there was a break clause in the contract then - which is when the FAI should have acted if they really want him). On top of that, apparently Carsley has expressed an interest in a club job - so he may not want to stay in the international set-up - and he is also being touted as Southgate's replacement in 18 months.
2. They know they can't get Carsley and are eyeing someone else who may be out of contract in the new year - e.g. Chris Hughton's contract with Ghana is up after AFCON in January.

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Most places I've seen say Hughtons contract is until December 31st 2024.

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Originally Posted by Kingdom

Those of us who've been there for 20k attendances know what it looks like :-)

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When did we ever do less than 20,000 since the rebuild? As one of the 27,000 who showed up to see us play Oman the second time, I just assumed that was as low as it's gone since the days of Eoin Hand.

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Originally Posted by Fixer82

Yes I’m looking at it like they’re letting SK contract run out and have Carsley ready to go.
Maybe that’s wishful thinking but it would make sense financially

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I know he won the U21 Euros but I'd be unsure of Carsley at this level tbh. I also do not see an up & coming coach going to bother with us anyway. They would be gone at the 1st offer of an English club job. John Eustace & Anthony Barry were here 5 minutes, Carsley would be the same IMO.

Steve Bruce is now the bookies favourite and I think that is far more realistic tbh. He is the right age for the job, has a good managerial CV, a respected playing career, Irish connection, knows what we are about, no compensation to be paid to get him & might grab a few granny rulers to boost our squad.

Can understand why the FAI are giving Kenny four more games to turn it around if Steve Bruce is the available alternative.

Steve Bruce = = Ah, God Help Us.

Thought I'd clicked on a thread from 2007 there.

What about Roddy Collins?

I wonder would Hassenhüttl be in our budget? Might be a long shot but I think he could be someone who could get more out of the squad than the sum of its parts

We need to think outside the box. Ryan Tubridy has the gravitas, the passion, and most of all the connections to make it a spectacular experience for the entire nation. He can do it on a wet December night in Dublin too, according to all the reports. And Netflix are probably only dying to snap him up to make a docuseries. A win-win for all parties and results be dammed. What a time to be alive.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

What about Roddy Collins?

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Not a bad shout. Turn it into a TV show for a few years until we have the players for a football team.

Sponsorship sorted via Louis Copeland. Louis would make a better jersey than Castore as well.

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Originally Posted by SkStu

What about Roddy Collins?

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Well, if someone like Stephen Kenny could land the job of managing the Irish senior side then Roddy Collins may feel he has a great chance.

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Originally Posted by TrapAPony

I know he won the U21 Euros but I'd be unsure of Carsley at this level tbh.

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Carsley was on the coaching staff at Brentford, including a brief spell as Caretaker Manager which they really wanted to make permanent, but he declined for (genuine) family reasons. And Brentford's record in appointing managers, whether externally or from within, is excellent.

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Originally Posted by TrapAPony

I also do not see an up & coming coach going to bother with us anyway. They would be gone at the 1st offer of an English club job. John Eustace & Anthony Barry were here 5 minutes, Carsley would be the same IMO.

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Except he's not your average "up & coming coach" etc. He'll be 50 next February, yet has never been the "Main Man" anywhere he's been - and certainly not for want of opportunity. It may just be that he likes working with players without the day-in, day-out scrutiny club managers endure - see eg Klopp losing the rag at being asked about Salah leaving for the 50th time this week.
In that respect, living in England and managing ROI for 10 or 12 games a year might just appeal. Otoh, he might just have designs on the England job after Southgate, now that the latter has repaired the previously poisonous relationship with the English media?
Obviously that gets huge scrutiny at times, but he's English as well as Irish after all, and he may consider that job to be the pinnacle of his coaching career?
I certainly get the impression from over here that the FA may be considering that, so who knows what has been whispered in Carsley's ear?

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Originally Posted by SkStu

What about Roddy Collins?

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Have you read the rodfather... its gold

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Originally Posted by Diggs246

Have you read the rodfather... its gold

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Ive heard its the one book that actually has less truth and facts than the bible!

If the only suggestions are (a) elderly, unemployed Premiership managers (b) retired internationals, or (c) Roddie ****ing Collins, the search committee needs sacking far more urgently than Kenny. We don't have the money to fish in the Premiership pool any more. Barely ever did, really. Carsley or Hughton are obvious candidates if they're interested and available, but there must be talented young managers on an upward trajectory, or capable mid-career lads who can't or won't take the grind of a club job. If we can't identify such people, we're going to continue to underperform.

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Originally Posted by EalingGreen

In that respect, living in England and managing ROI for 10 or 12 games a year might just appeal. Otoh, he might just have designs on the England job after Southgate, now that the latter has repaired the previously poisonous relationship with the English media?
Obviously that gets huge scrutiny at times, but he's English as well as Irish after all, and he may consider that job to be the pinnacle of his coaching career?
I certainly get the impression from over here that the FA may be considering that, so who knows what has been whispered in Carsley's ear?

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To support your thoughts, the current FAI CEO was previously employed by the English FA, continues to reside in the UK, and surely would favour a job closer to his home in future days. That person may not willing disrupt the English FA's succession plans as this may jeopardise his own personal ambitions.

Is there a Kenny Stephen about ? !