Look at the caliber of player we have at the moment. That's the real problem. No one to put the ball in the net. Be realistic about what we have at the moment.
Printable View
Look at the caliber of player we have at the moment. That's the real problem. No one to put the ball in the net. Be realistic about what we have at the moment.
Southgate only got the job because of what happened to Big Sam, I don’t think England will go down the same route again as if they hire a new manager it will be someone who can win them a tournament rather than a succession manager, if anything it will be a manager in the premier league.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Its euro campaign so qualifying is very doable.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
If it was wc campaign you would be right
Apart from o Neill they will all be doubling their salary I guess
If they get us to the euros and as stated its significantly easier . They would have massive exposure going forward
Barry is at a top 5 club team and another top national side , no reason to bin those off for irelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
M'ON is still trudging along at stoke.
Carsley as others mentioned has a very talented u21s group with ENG
Rooneys stock has risen massively, everton were keen on him. joining our sinking ship does nothing for his future.
You’d be better off mentally being a premiership manager / or at the other top leagues around Europe than being the England manager. Is it really that attractive of a job ? Relatively small chance of success and the “ World “ expected of ya ~ ~ Southgate was lucky when he came that things were at such a low ebb the usual English managers pressures were not so bad. I think those pressures are back to where they usually are now.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
I'm not being smart but do u have a list? Or a suggestionQuote:
Originally Posted by Jd2793
Somebody will take it! Maybe someone from left field.
Has Chris Hughton completely slipped out of the reckoning ?
No he should and will be in the reckoning. He has a technical role for Ghana in the Wc. He is available and while he didn't do well at forest he was superb at Newcastle and Brighton ( got them both into the Premier league)Quote:
Originally Posted by D24Saint
True but really bad at Forest for some reason and when you consider what his replacement has done then ? ?Quote:
Originally Posted by Diggs246
All the same Chris Hughton has great experience at a very good level.
Yeah, that's fair alright. Carsley should be considered for sure, but I just think especially with him being in the 21s role less than a year, it may be the wrong time to go courting him.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
The only positive I can see about taking the role is that we don't concede very many (14 in 17 competitive games under Kenny) and if you could somehow find a way to score goals at the other end, we could become half-decent and you could make a bit of a name for yourself there.
I don't know how realistic this is, but someone like Liam Manning would be my preferred option; an up-and-coming progressive coach who deals with the media side of things well. Carsley and Steven Reid are well worth considering too.
Jim Goodwyn should be in the conversation, but he's only recently taken over at Aberdeen.
I expect Stephen Bradley will be in the frame as well as Damien Duff.
True but either way coaching a senior international team is still better experience than an u21 role regardless of how good that role is.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And that point is true and there is good young players coming through so if you were an incoming manager there is atleast something to build on, which lets say wasn’t the case in 2018 when O’Neill was sacked.
I still don’t want to give up on Kenny but the last week has been very worrying and for me the Scotland game is make or break for him!
im a bit confused, why are young club managers leaving jobs to come to us? liam manning is in high demand in England, what in gods name is he joining this sinking ship for? our next manager will be someone who is older+out of the club game with a few years.
Well I think he's definitely there for the next two games anyway. A turnaround in those and all this could be forgotten, like the 3-0 in Azerbaijan made us forget the home draw against them only a few weeks earlier.Quote:
Originally Posted by CSAD
But while I know where you're coming from in terms of him trying to bring through changes that we need brought through, another two games of literally the same problems as the previous Nations League campaign makes it hard to make a case for keeping him for the Euro qualifying.
Are we in any danger of dropping to fourth seeds for the Euros btw?
I think if we end up as the worst group B team out of the four Nations League B groups we would be fourth seeds. Seemed impossible when we drew Armenia but not so much now.
I agree with that, if we beat Scotland and atleast give it a go versus Ukraine away and it will at least give Kenny some breathing space.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
And yes that is correct, and not just the previous campaign but even the previous games, the last two games were carbon copies of each other in terms of management, if we make the same mistakes in the following 2 games and we lose he’ll struggle to stay on.
I think based on how the seeding went for the last Euros we only need to avoid being the worst team in NL B to stay in pot 3. Essential just finish above Armenia and we should be good for pot 3.
You've hit on something there for me , will it really turn things around? There's a pattern here that we are out of the reckoning as soon as we start in acompetition. That is not a good trait, it's no good having victories and moral victories when the competitive side is over in groups and nothing to play for. I am very worried that he won't be able to fix that for the Euros campaign.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Regardless of what happens saturday or next week we are in a very worrying situation with a manger who has repeated his failings time and again and shown no inkling that he's aware of this nevermind how to overcome them
A week really is a long time in football. Last Friday in his press conference Kenny must have felt he was in a strong position, as he was happily hitting out at people who hard dared to criticise his winless first Nations League campaign (because a worldwide pandemic that affected everyone somehow apparently meant results and performances then didn't count).
We're just six days on and it looks to be all but over for him.
We also need to be wary of the goalposts getting moved for Kenny. I'm seeing this sentiment that if he gets four points from the next two games he'll be fine, but that would be four from 12 if it even happened. At what point before 2200 last night was that outcome deemed acceptable? If they lose to Scotland will it then be a win needed in Poland? If they draw that game will it be called an improvement?
We can't score even when the goalposts are in their normal position.