I wonder. He didn't go wrapping himself in the union Jack or kissing the crest afterwards . Hopefully if he doesn't take our job he gets a good championship job and builds a good careerQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
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I wonder. He didn't go wrapping himself in the union Jack or kissing the crest afterwards . Hopefully if he doesn't take our job he gets a good championship job and builds a good careerQuote:
Originally Posted by SkStu
More chance of him being the next England manager rather than Ireland manager.Quote:
Originally Posted by tommy_c12000
The Mail reporting he's in line for a new contract as 21s boss while we're also interested.
Read into that bit of football gossip what you will of course
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Originally Posted by JR89
This. The FA will use the same succession plan as they did with Southgate. With the tools at his exposure he's not stupid enough to end his career by taking on the Ireland job.
I doubt they'd want Carsley to take over as caretaker followed by a permanent appointment after Southgate or his successor get caught up in a scandal.Quote:
Originally Posted by lofty9
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They've offered Carsley a contract extension. It wouldn't be a bad move to take the offer with a premier league get out clause,surely there'll be a job available before Christmas.
can't see a prem side going for him - the risk is just too high at that level. a mid table / struggling championship side is likely his best bet.Quote:
Originally Posted by pixiehead
unless he prefers the idea of the Ireland job, which he may. both are completely different proposition to working with a squad with numerous elite players at the u21 level.
i dont think they conceded a goal all tournament though which is impressive. we should be keeping a lot more clean sheets than we do given the players at our disposal.
Carsley set for talks with the FA about his future.
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/66149678
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Manager Carsley was appointed in July 2021 and is believed to be undecided about whether to carry on in the role.
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Carsley is on a rolling one-year contract and is understood to have been approached by clubs during his tenure as under-21s manager.
Carsley has been very methodical so far in his career, progressing slowly with carefully selecting jobs, not getting out of his depth too soon, natural step up is senior international football which will have a better quality of life vs his other probable option championship club management. He has always prioritized his family and that extra time will be important to him, so I would not think it’s beyond the bounds of possibility. The main problem I see is the FAI being unable to make a prompt bold decision with their current committee / red tape set up. I guess there were some benefits of the “good old days..”
With it looking like Vera Paew is not going to get a new contract despite qualifying for the first World Cup and performing I felt well against 2 very strong nations stephen Kenny can consider himself fortunate the expectations of him are not as great as of Vera
You'd wonder which way the FAI is veering alright ? !Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Unless they're thinking of replacing Kenny with Vera? ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
We were beaten twice and are likely to lose to Nigeria. As I said in this thread before the tournament, the FAI should have had the guts to sack the manager when the details of her bullying scandal came out.Quote:
Originally Posted by liamoo11
Stephen Kenny is not a bully, he's a really nice guy. He has a terrible group of players to pick from, and I feel badly for him. If he had a Roy Keane or a Damien Duff, things may have gone differently for him. What frustrates me is that he insists on playing the game "the right way" when we don't have the players to do that right now. What frustrates me even more is how he's been afforded such a long leash due to the fact that League of Ireland supporters seem so fanatical in their support of him. He can do no wrong in their eyes, yet he's doing so much damage.
If Pauw goes after qualifying for the World Cup then there can be no more rope for Kenny. Doesn't matter how nice a guy he's supposed to be, all he's doing is proving the theory that nice guys come last.
‘Terrible group of players’ - Was reading about PL interest in Smallbone, and it’s possible he could actually field a team of PL players next season. This isn’t the greatest ever Irish squad, but is it as bad as some pundits and Kenny supported like to suggest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
I think it's as bad as we've ever had but not as bad as results are showing
What's the team of Premier players?
Kelleher
Doherty... Collins... O'Shea...Egan...Coleman
Cullen...Smallbone (if he gets a transfer)... Hendrick
Ferguson...Ogbene...Obafemi
Most of them will be in relegation battles if they get gametime at all. It's a small step in the right direction but we've a lot of improving to do yet
We have the best squad we've had in five or six years, easily. A bit light in midfield, but most countries our size will usually have a weakness and it's up to the manager to find a way to work around that, just look at what Scotland are doing lately with very little quality in goal, at centre back or at centre forward.
Egan, Collins, O'Shea, Coleman, Doherty, Cullen, Ogbene and Ferguson will all be in or around their team's first 11s in the Premier League this coming season. Hodge might be in the mix as well going by pre-season. Obafemi and Alex Murphy may get some game time also, who knows Kelleher will end up. Manning, Omobamidele, Duffy, Bazunu, Lenihan, Taylor, Smallbone and Molumby will all be regulars with top 6 rated Championship teams. Festy will likely continue to develop in Serie A.
We've heard enough excuses at this point, that's a team and squad that should be in and around the top 24 in Europe at an absolute minimum. Stacks of players in or approaching their best years. If the results aren't coming then there's only one weak link and on the face of it it's the easiest problem of all to fix.
The "we don't have the players" excuse has well and truly run out of road at this point.
What I read in the athletic I would not consider her actions to have been problematic but I didn't read the actual report from the US soccer federation so perhaps the athletic article left out the bad stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
I think been a manager is about setting up a side to maximise their abilities and give them rhe best chance of success. Simply apeing other sides in how you play just because its popular is something anyone could do where is the skill and expertise in that?
This - the influence of the LOI supporters - is substantially overstated as a reason he is still in the job in my opinion. The 30k or so LOI fanatics in the country carry no weight with the decision makers. Never have, never will. The reasons for keeping Kenny are more to do with 1) the fact that he was given a mandate that required at least 2 years and b) the association can't really afford a replacement and possibly 3) the list of feasible or obvious replacements is fairly limited.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
Oe waiting for Kenny to fall ( maybe )Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
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Originally Posted by Colbert Report
There's plenty of LoI supporters who have no time for Kenny at all. The myth of the fanatical LoI/Kenny supporter is beyond ridiculous. If you knew anything about the game here you'd know consensus is rare. Most of the posters on this forum who have shown support for Kenny over the last few years are never seen on the LoI side. I know it suits your pathetically ignorant anti LoI agenda but give it a rest unless you can come to us with some evidence to support your claim.
I've been asked politely to stop comparing the LoI to a pub league, so I won't do that again. I have, however, been keeping close tabs on the LoI clubs in European competition this summer. Yikes.
Don't think he'd continue to work with the FA if waiting on Kenny to go. Not like he would have to wait long either.Quote:
Originally Posted by seanfhear
Also don't think the FA continue to employ an U21s manager who isn't fully committed. FA would likely want a manager that's gonna see out the U21s campaign and might well look to promote from within.
There isn't a domestic league bias towards him at all. People I talk to are as divided on SK as any other demographic. All in your head.Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
If the man who would be king has signed a new contract with England U21s does that give Kenny a bit more breathing room or are we still expecting him to get 6 points in September to keep his job?
Don't think anyone is expecting him to get six points in September to keep his job, not even the FAI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Razors left peg
Is that any less unrealistic than expecting him to qualify out of this group?Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
Can you back up your claim or not?Quote:
Originally Posted by Colbert Report
He's only a wum, and not worth the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by ontheotherhand
True, I'll throw him back on the ignore list. You'd wonder what even motivates him. Years on here just taking weird swings at the LoI and its supporters. California is full of better things to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by nigel-harps1954
I was never really a fan of Kenny after he criticised everything that went before him when he was given the Irish job. I did feel for him a bit when I looked at the recording of him squirming before the RTE cameras with Tony O'Donoghue as ever asking embarrassingly direct questions (which used to really get under O'Neill's skin - I see the latter in the Indo today is still bristling about that). Kenny is terrible in front of the cameras. Can he be any better in the dressing room ? Under Kenny arguably we've had one excellent result (Scotland 3-0), some good performances (e.g Portugal away, France at home (both lost though)) but mostly mediocrity (masking as "entertaining football") and one of the worst results in Irish football (losing at home to Luxembourg). I thought we did ok last night for one half (as we did in Paris) but when the going gets tough, he seems unable to respond until it's too late (barn door and all that). I was watching his interminable discussions with Keith Andrews (all initiated by the latter) which eventually resulted in McClean being replaced after the Dutch scored ! The 87th minute double substitutions baffled me (ones made this late are usually by a team leading to kill time not by a losing side requiring 2 goals). And McGrath brought on earlier (all after painfully long discussions with Andrews). He has been unlucky with injuries and other things but I've never taken to him as a manager (he won't lose any sleep over that). I fear if we keep him on he might get a result over the Greeks and we'll be once again "walking in a Kenny wonderland". It's an ideal time to introduce a new manager with very little to play for but if it costs, it won't happen. Mind you if it's Roy Keane, where are the words of that Kenny song again?
His legacy: managed a transition both in terms of players and style of play and perhaps has built foundations for a new coach to take the team forward.
He has got 36 matches in charge and he has achieved next to nothing bar shove us further down the rankings with some woeful losses in between. He has got more time and more chances than anyone we ever had previously to be allowed continue with such an abysmal record despite it being obvious early on that he was out of his depth. He should certainly not be in charge for the games against Greece & Gibraltar. Now is the time to bring in someone new whoever that may be.
Well it seems decision has been made on Kenny then, the gig is up for THE BOSS. According to tabloid reports in the UK the FA expect an official approach from the FAI for Lee Carsley as soon as today.
Multiple sources reporting the FAI have a break clause they can use until the end of October.
The papers can only have been given that info from 2 sources - either Kenny or the FAI. It seems unlikely it came from Kenny there's clearly some within the FAI who want to call it a day and have leaked it.
Carsley is an ideal candidate. Steven Reid would be similarly suitable. If the one the FAI want can't be in the dugout by October John O'Shea could step in.
He should and hopefully will be shown the door this week.
I would just be a tiny bit concerned about Carsley. He's won an underage tournament with an excellent crop of players, but his managerial career otherwise has been pretty limited. A senior international job, with all of the scrutiny that comes with it, would be a big step-up for him.
Reid is certainly that bit more charismatic.Quote:
Originally Posted by NeverFeltBetter
The other side of that is that England have clearly got an excellent structure in place, and he's seen that from the inside with the St Georges Park setup etc. Bringing that knowledge with him could be excellent for the FAI at a time when there's hopefully an opportunity for genuine reform to take place under the Canham/Hill regime.
One thing I'd love to see is a return of B internationals with squads selected entirely from the domestic leagues. There are other countries with leagues equivalent to the League of Ireland who could benefit in a similar way.
Definitely came from the FAI side. Think Gavin Cummiskey was the first to mention it after June's window and specifically said it can be triggered if qualification is over before we play Greece in October.Quote:
Originally Posted by backstothewall
Like you can assume things like they might have this and that but when you report that if the group is finished before Octobers window then the FAI can move him on, well someone slipped you that info to make public.
Think Kenny also said publicly himself before that their was no clauses. Might have been last summer when there was some talk that the FAI had a clause which allowed them to part ways after the NLs campaign.
It's entirely possible that Kenny didn't realize the wording of the contract would allow them to move in October. He's not a lawyer and may have assumed the play-offs were considered part of the qualification process, but a lawyer on the FAI side had included a provision to allow for this situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR89
I doubt whoever the source(s) within the FAI is/are would have leaked it without being sure they were on a sound footing. Or that a serious journalist would have reported it without either having multiple sources confirming the situation or seeing the document.
Steven Reid has managed one senior game as a manager. Likewise, Carsley has won with the best u21 team in the world. I'm not sure either of them are guaranteed to be an improvement on Kenny.
The lack of experienced candidates linked to the role speaks volumes for where Irish football is at the moment.
I think Ruud van Nistelrooy is available. Did very well at PSV, 5 years in England as a player, etc. But would the FAI need another billionaire to help out with the pay packet?