Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
And platinum's handling of Barcelona friendlies in Scotland is vastly different to running a full national league.
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Same here.Quote:
Originally Posted by gspain
And platinum's handling of Barcelona friendlies in Scotland is vastly different to running a full national league.
Rangers came to play Linfield 3 or 4 seasons in a row. The crowds where hitting 20,000 at the start, but the last one only had 12,000 or so.Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
The point is, the novelty of watching Rangers in a friendly worn thin with the Ulster/Irish Rangers support.
But the support for Rangers is still as strong as ever, just not in a friendly game.
Platinum One have announced the plan is not feasible anymore
http://www.rte.ie/aertel/221-01.html
Well were they behind the Hearts Barca game??If so it they didnt handle it very well as Hearts made a loss when they played Barcelona.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dodge
I also believe P1 were(are)behind all the negative media reports on LOI football.
Hmm. I wonder what's changed? (Or more accurately, what's the straw that just broke the camel's back?)Quote:
Originally Posted by Battery Rover
Good riddance anyways.
They either:Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
1) Over-estimated the willingness and ability (see below) of target clubs to proceed
2) under-estimated the pushback from the FAI and IL
3) lost their bottle at taking on the existing leagues
4) don't have access to the money to launch it they thought they would
or possibly a combination.
Since the time they first started discussing the AIL, Bohs land deal has started to look dodgy, Drogs plans have pretty much died, Derry have announced a return to part-time and Cork have gone into examinership.
And both jurisdictions are in a recession.
None of that's a shock though. Suppose the money just ran out.
The recession would not have helped.You dont want to be trying this when money is tight all round.
Looks like they overestimated the clubs involved.
WTF are you talking about, there is absolutely ZERO talk of part-time football, yet. In fact two players have just had two year extensions on there full-time contracts, one just signed new for the club on a full-time contract, and apparently others will sign extensions, we have pretty much a full full-time squad for the next two seasons, after that its anyones guess.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Unless you know something the rest of us dont?
Any need?Quote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
There definitely was talk. Fair enough that it wasn't announced.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
But, how long we have players signed for is no guide to how long we will be fully professional for. Take Cork as an example.
Its highly conceivable at the end of this season that Pats will be the only full time team left. Will we still be professional in that case?
Didn't MariborKev say it on here? That's not far off being official.
The Indo today reported the end of Platinum One as a "shock" move. Adds weight to the theory that newspapers have been giving P1 a blank page to write whatever they want about the league.
Fair enough your going to have a lot better idea of the internals of the club than most on here, me included, however every statement and comment from every one related to the club mentioned cutting back in the short-term so we can have a professional team long term, no mention of part-time, but talk of a smaller squad and cutting back wagesQuote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
Isnt the whole basis of the new ground and hiring a full-time
commercial manager to attempt to sustain a full-time squad?
if that doesnt happened, we will definitely end up Part-time,
however there has been fairly consistent statements from Pat McDaid
and Stephen Kenny stating there is no plan to go part-time?
As for the 'WTF', that was shock that a derry fan (with a fair idea what is going on and not exactly known for scare mongering or talking rubbish, unlike the rest of us) was saying we were going part-time, when everyone at the club was saying we werent, so are we as a club considering part-time football, and both Pat McDaid and Stephen kenny are talking rubbish to the press the last few months? saying we arent?
As for offering players contracts then not meeting those contracts
If we dont keep to those contracts we wont have a club, as ourselves,
Omagh and Colraine found out in the past, unlike rovers who were allowed
to pay a cent in the euro to clear there debt, the tax man / courts up north will just shut us down. Very very risky if we are offering contracts we dont think we can meet :-(
Didn't Coleraine do more or less the same as Rovers though?
he says it failed dueto lack of support from the majority of clubs but how would something that did not include the majority of clubs expect to get there support
The failure of any of the clubs to raise the issue at the recent FAI AGM - never mind push it - was probably the straw that broke the camels back.
Demonstrated to Delaney - and Platinum - that they had no stomach to fight for it.
Back page of the Indo today tells you everything you need to know about the methods Drury is using to try and manipulate supporters across the country. We're well shot of this guy ladsQuote:
Originally Posted by gspain
I think Linfield & Glentorans silence during the whole process was enough for this to be dead before it got off the ground. The FAI let it pass over too which was a good thing.
Without the support of the FAI or the IFA this was never going to be a viable entity and as it turned out the clubs spearheading it didn't have the balls to go ahead with it either. When Arkaga realised this wasn't going to happen they sent Cork into examinership. It seems to me that the backers of Drogheda want out because it's not going to happen (the stadium issue may be cited but I think this is the sole reason).
P1 main problem was that it left too many clubs out of the circle. By taking the big 2 from the north their league would be gone. By P1 overlooking the remaining clubs here they really had an up hill battle to win over the FAI who are supposed to be their to fight for the little guy.
I don't believe that an AIPL is entirely dead and I actually do want this to happen but it will only happen on the terms of the FAI and IFA and not a sports agents company.
not to sure jinxy i think it will be off the rader for a long time as it is impossable to get two clubs to agree to anything never mind 22. i wonder will jr return to derry or has he burned that bridge
I've only read the article entitled "Dead in the Water" on the online version in which Drury doesn't say anything that could be construed or manipulative.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Is this the one you're referring to, or is there another article I missed?
:confused:
Don't know about Rovers, but afaik, the Inland Revenue tried to have Coleraine FC wound up (declared bankrupt) in 2005, over total debts of over £1m. However, a Supporters Group ("Friends of Coleraine") persuaded the Court to let them go into Administration instead, and a new (fans) Management Committee kept things going until the FOC effectively bought the old club, reached a settlement somehow with creditors and formed what was technically a new club out of what they had salvaged from the old club.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
As a new club, they should not have been allowed to continue in the Irish League, but they managed to exploit some sort of loophole in the Rules, so that the IL/IFA couldn't actually prevent this from happening. (Tbh, the IL/IFA
had no appetite for forcing the new club to start again at the bottom of the pyramid, so were actually quite relieved, I should imagine).
Anyhow, as a fan-controlled club, Coleraine seem to be living within their means at the moment, even if they're hardly "pulling up trees" on the pitch (esp since losing a long-serving and capable manager, Marty Quinn, to newly promoted Bangor FC at the start of the season)
They're top of the league aren't they? :)Quote:
Originally Posted by EalingGreen
Haven't read online version but I assume it's the same as the printed version. Call me cynical but a back page article about the LoI (on Champions League day I might add, that normally doesn't happen, especially about a virtial LoI non-story)in which Fintan Drury explains that the AIL won't happen because John Delaney has said that the Eircom League has made great strides under the FAI and he takes him at his word is coupled with a tagged article about Cobh going bankrupt is manipulation of the media in my eyes. It's not shocking as everyone does it, but it shows Drury and Platinum One to be the same con job as we've always had in my eyes.Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
For the moment - and fair play to them for it. But they've played more games than most, losing against the only half decent side they've met so far (2-1 at Crusaders).Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr A
http://ifapremiership.com/statistics.htm
No matter, despite being a (casual) Glens fan, I'm still always pleased when the provincial teams are doing OK.
Err, even the FAI's biggest supporters (there must be some?) must be raising an eyebrow as Delaney's "move along now, nothing to see here" statements are completely at odds with almost every piece of financial news in relation to the League in the last 6 months.Quote:
Originally Posted by jebus
Whatever about the viability or not of Drury's AIL plans, he's bang on drawing attention to Delaney's comments, as presumably part of the reason Platinum 1 are pulling back is the proposed breakaway clubs lack of financial strength.
That's the point!!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
These bad financial news pieces have come out every week for the last few months. Sure clubs are struggling but they always were and probably always will.
Platnum One needed the media to push the FAI and the IFA into a corner. The clubs were unwilling to do anything about it and therefore the public never got behind the idea.
It was nonsense from the start.
While I don't think the financial probelms in the league will get any better over the next few months I don't expect half as many bad financial news to mke it to the papers.
Most of what has been reported by the papers has not come to pass.
The one that did happen in Cork going to examinership wasn't even hinted at until a day or two before :)
am I being cynical - or is the timing of this announcement rather convenient to take the focus away from one of the biggest days in League of Ireland in Europe history?
Dont think he ever left completely,Quote:
Originally Posted by passerrby
think he is still heavily involved with the company / board setup
to develop the stadium, so doubt he burnt too many bridges,
still see him at the matches too, home and away.
Spoken like a true Shels fan. I thought you'd have learned from your ostrich-like behaviour a few years ago.Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Extreme naivety to assume that a number of clubs are not materially worse off now that the economy has gone down the tubes and every Tom, Dick or Harry Property Developer or Builder that funds them isn't rolling in cash.
We started the year with about a half dozen full-time clubs, it looks like we'll end it with one or two.
Thats a significant change in less than 12 months.
wow!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by OneRedArmy
fantastic respose there,, really made a great argument as to why I was wrong :rolleyes:
Look it's been reported now that Cobh players spokeperson has rubbished this talk of no wages and still the indo went with the story.
It's clear there has been an agenda around with some papers the past few months.
I've not said everything was ok.. I just can't be arsed listing the lies printed over the last few months in papers.
Compare the full time teams that started this season with the ones that start next season. Maybe then your argument might mean something.
Thta's certainly what I believed. He was saying the exact same thing while at P1 as he said when the City chairman a number of years back when the restructing of the league was being debated. He argued long and hard for a 10 team premeir league with no P&R for 3 years back then and he was looking for the exact same thing while at P1.Quote:
Originally Posted by garyderry
I had a fear that he was still wearing his Derry City hat while at P1 and it would absolutely no surprize to me if he officially returns D City.
Emmm - try the bit of his post that you cut out of your reply for his reasons. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by higgins
Answered that part further down my post...
Maybe you shouldn't cut parts of the quote out when attempting to stick your nose in ?
My point was that being a Shels fan has nothing got to do with this so why mention it!
But wouldn't expect you to notice that..
Because it's indicating that you're back in your "Everything's OK until we physically see otherwise" mode. His argument has no weight until he counts how many full-time teams will be around at the start of next year as opposed to the ones at the end of this season? Give me a break.
When did I say everything was ok ??Quote:
Originally Posted by pineapple stu
Not the first time you lied on here Stu and doubt it will be the last. Putting quotation marks around things is great "isn't it" ?
Maybe you can explain what you mean by the above.
Been a while now since I caught you out for lies.
Still didn't answer the last couple of questions from another thread either. Maybe you should before you start to drag up this crap again ?
This'd be the previous thread where I said Shels were still drawing down the Tolka lease, which was subsequently confirmed by the club in a national newspaper which praised Shels for being the best with their answers?
Does that make you a liar for denying them?
Threats make you sound big, higgins, but ultimately add nothing to your argument.
Fight! Fight! Fight!
You wanna take this outside, A? Eh?!
(See what I did there? :) )
Right, you're friggin dead Stu.
We always knew it would come to this.
No Stu...
That would be the thread where you said Shels were continuing to overspend.
You are wrong.
and with no facts behind your argument I can only come to the conclusion you are spreading lies ??
You then claimed that I should prove otherwise!!
Bit like me saying UCD are overspending and that's that until someone proves otherwise..
No overspending going on at Shels.
You seem to have skipped past the whole quotation issue ?