Well in this interview last week, he said:Quote:
Originally Posted by aidz1
“I won’t be changing my mind. I’ve been part of the Republic set up for too long now and I’m proud to be part of it.
Printable View
Well in this interview last week, he said:Quote:
Originally Posted by aidz1
“I won’t be changing my mind. I’ve been part of the Republic set up for too long now and I’m proud to be part of it.
From what little I've seen of him he doesn't seem to be that type of player... which is why I like him. He's extremely solid and consistent, not just a player who drifts into a game to do something amazing and then disappears again.Quote:
Originally Posted by therock67
As for switching to Scotland, I can't see why he would... it's not like they can offer him more money... and he's not going to be in Scotland for much longer, so won't have to worry about getting any stick from the fans.
Well we shall see. He's under a lot of pressure so I hope the FAI is doing its best to remind him how important he could be to Ireland. As fans, we can supportive as both he and McGeady have gone through a lot of stick.
I'm a big admirer of McGeady for doing what he did and for resisting all efforts to change allegiences.
Someone should be over to have a word with him but with his immediate boss at present being Givens that would worry me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fergie's Son
I was listening to the radio last night and heard the story on the sports news about him switching and then heard the ad for the new Lansdowne with Houghton talking about Stuttgart and thought he'd be a good man to have a word in his ear and tell him how good atying part of out set up could be for me. Someone from the backroom staff should have a word anyway, even Mick Martin or the like.
if he wants to play for us he shouldnt need to be persuaded. if he has to be persuaded then we dont want him . simple asQuote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
It's not that simple for me, he's obviously being put under a lot of pressure from his team manager and various bods in the SFA and Scottish management structure. The lads only 17, a word of encouragement would go down well in my opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by jbyrne
Agree completely.Quote:
Originally Posted by Drumcondra 69er
The Indo is reporting that both McCarthy & Don Givens thought he was tied to us after he played a U-21 game. Shocking or maybe not that Givens is unaware of eligibility rules at international level. What a bunch of muppets we have, it's like Stan talking about bring in players over the age of 21 who had already represented England at under-age.
Just watched the Celtic game there from the other day. McCarthy didn't stick out as being exceptional, but what did impress me was the fact that he didn't look out of place, which young players often do, especially when up against a team the likes of Celtic.
These reports about him switching do not look promising at all.
Reading that same Indo article and Givens is quoted as saying the following:
"In that talk (ahead of the Portugal match) he was under the same impression that I was, that the U-21 match tied him down, so anything else that might go on is not in my court."
Call me silly, but I'm just a fella who posts on an Irish website and I know that playing for the under-21's is not enough to tie you to the national team. You would think, nay you would bloody well expect, that the manager of the Under 21 team would have the wherewithall to know this.
Completely unacceptable. Givens should and indeed must be removed.
How can we get him removed? The man is a disaster.
The verdict on Newstalk last night was alot more promising..
They had a scottish journalist who is apparently "In The Know" claiming that McCarthy is still very much committed to Ireland..
There was talk from the presenters that he has been known to play with Tri-Colours on his boots.
We'll see.... But Givens has to go...
Givens will be there as long as Delaney is in charge. Remember who was charged with finding the new manager but Givens. That is how highly Delaney thinks of him.
From today's Indo: http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...d-1492508.html
Seems like there's little to worry about and he will stay with the Republic. Fair play to the lad, I can only imagine the abuse he's going to get in the SPL for this decision
There's a fair bit on the press over here suggesting that he is indeed meeting Burley to have talks. Lets just hope he's doing it out of courtesy which may well be the case.
I agree with the general line of thougght that if he wants to play for us he will and if not he won't. He has always suggested he's very happy with us though so it would be a big turnaround in my eyes if he did switch.
Funnily enough against Celtic where most people thought of him having an average game (which is still excellent given his age and the fact they were playing Celtic away), his manager was quoted in one of the Sunday papers saying that he felt in the first 20 minutes McCarthy was overwhelmed but then he came into it a bit more. He still felt it was probably his worst performance for the Accies in a long time!!
Can only be a good sign.
Good article from the Indo. earlier in the year about McCarhty's background etc..
http://www.independent.ie/sport/socc...e-1252257.html
As far as I recall, when McGeady was close to a senior call up for us, the then Scotland Manager, Bertie Vogts, arranged a meeting with him to try and persuade him to play for Scotland. McGeady attended the meeting out of politeness but never had any real intention of changing teams. I'd say that this is a similar scenario. Also, Trappatoni said yesterday, unprompted on the subject, that he would talk to him shortly and that he would probably call him up to the senior squad for the friendly against Poland next month.Quote:
Originally Posted by drinkfeckarse
I think it's all very encouraging, the Scots were going to try to come for him eventually, but he has said he's not going to change. I'm glad that he's *finally* being talked about by senior management and I'm delighted that he might be called to play against Poland - that would be great to see... but it would not tie him down to us, as it is not a competitive match.
We have Tuff Paddy's inside word on the matter, that's as good as it can get :)
It would..Quote:
Originally Posted by musicinmouth
If he played tommorow for example that wouldn't, or if he played in a testemonial that wouldn't either, but in official friendlies it would. Much in the same way that a red card in a club preseason can mean a suspension for the start of the league.
(The rule is a bit ambiguous, but I think the jist of it is that an official friendly is a stand alone competitive fixture, sort of. That's why it impacts FIFA ranking etc. At least that's my understanding. )
I admire the lad and McGeady for these decisions. Look at the certain Man City player case, we're up in arms and disillusioned as to why he wont play for us but can you imagine what we'd be like if he declared for another country.
So ive no doubt they both get stick for their decision but fair play to them for sticking by it.
Didn't Geysir post here recently that a rule chnage is being mulled where even a friendly full international doesn't tie one down?
FIFA added in a few more word to clarify the criteria on what constitutes an official game in order to bind a player to that association
For players under 21 years of age
the new text states that a senior A cap at competition level is needed to bind a player, Competition level is a UEFA or FIFA qual campaign.
"He has not played a match
(either in full or in part) in an
official competition at “A”
international level for his current
Association, and at the time
of his fi rst full or partial
appearance in an international
match in an official competition
for his current Association,".
Before the change last Jaruary it read like this, not making it clear if the players first official competition cap had to be at at senior A level
"He has not played a match (either in full or in part) at “A” international
level for his current Association, and if at the time of his
first full or partial appearance in an international match in an
official competition for his current Association, he already had
the nationality of the Association’s team for which he wishes to
play."
Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
sHHH dont mention the war.
Are you sure that's how it's interpreted?? I still think it's ambiguous... If a friendly is not official competion, then how can it affect official FIFA rankings?? My understanding is that a non binding appearance applies to the like of a "Rep of Ireland XI", like what you'd see at a testemonial.Quote:
Originally Posted by geysir
I read somewhere that official Friendlies, like the upcoming one against Poland is treated sort of like a one off comp fixture, recognised by FIFA.
If the above is true then does this mean that for example the Celtic Cup in a couple of years time won't be recognised either???
Well, ages ago we looked at the old text closely enough and dissected it thoroughly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dr_peepee
There was an ambiguity with that text, as I wrote in my post.
This new text removes that ambiguity.
I don't think it introduces a new ambiguity. I haven't the time now to check out your question but afair, an official competition is defined by FIFA as Euro and WC qualifiers maybe Federation cup but not Celtic Cup because it is not organised by UEFA or FIFA
A senior "A" friendly is a competative match officially recognised by FIFA and counts for FIFA rankings etc but it is not part of an official competition.
But I'll keep an open mind :)
I think he could still play for Scotland even if he plays against Poland... There is a distinction between friendly matches and official competition matches... It's odd that Trapattoni / Given / the FAI don't seem to know that... This is from the Fifa Statutes on the Fifa site:
If a Player has more than one nationality, or if a Player acquires a newnatio nality, or if a Player is eligible to play for several representative
teams due to nationality, he may, up to his 21st birthday, and only once, request to change the Association for which he is eligible to
play international matches to the Association of another country of which he holds nationality, subject to the following conditions:
(a) He has not played a match (either in full or in part) in an official competition at “A” international level for his current Association,
and at the time of his first full or partial appearance in an international match in an official competition for his current Association, he already had the nationality of the representative
team for which he wishes to play.
(b) He is not permitted to play for his new Association in any competition in which he has already played for his previous Association.
Official competition: "a competition for representative teams organised by FIFA or any Confederation."
From tonight's Herald: http://www.herald.ie/sport/soccer/in...e-1492718.html
Quote:
However, once he plays in a senior international, whether it is a friendly or a qualifier, he will then be forever committed to that nation.
He's announced he's switching to Scotland. ;)
Good luck to you James
Official statement
http://www.fai.ie/index.php?option=c...k=view&id=3677
You had me going here for a while
Better watch Nigel Worthington doesn't give him a call :)Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
Its great to see a young Irish player having the maturity to clarify his position with the National team so quickly and not keep people guessing ... others could learn from him
Excellent. He kept to his word. Fair play to the young fellow and his grand father would be proud of him.
'However, once he plays in a senior international, whether it is a friendly or a qualifier, he will then be forever committed to that nation'.Quote:
Originally Posted by tetsujin1979
But compare that statement and see if it is supported by the actual text used in the FIFA amended article?
It's time for us to reach a consensus on the interpretation of the FIFA article rather that quoting other interpretations which have a questionable value.
Delighted to read this.
Well done to Jamie and, in fairness, to the FAI.
He's a young kid so let's hope he develops as a payer. Great news.
Good lad James. That's knocked all the media speculation on its head in one statement, just days after it all started.Quote:
Originally Posted by ifk101
That's fantastic news... He's gonna get a great reception when he makes his debut. I can't wait to see him play for the senior team.
That statement is completely meaningless. In the hockey world, 3 Years ago a similar one was issued for Malkin in Russia and within hours the Pittsburgh Penguins were smuggling him to Romania and then to the US.
Until he gets a cap it will be an issue.
I went to that terrible game in Giants Stadium two summers ago and some US kid played for Ireland against Ecuador, Joe something, but it was understood he could still play for the US (even by NY Daily News Soccer reporter Philip Bondy and thats saying something)...Maybe that wasnt an "official" friendly? How is a friendly "official"?
I think people underestimate the relationships that form with these things.
McCarthy has been playing with Ireland at various levels for 3 years now, and no doubt has developed friendships with his teammates, and positive relationships with his managers.
He's held in high regard, and has done well for us at underage level.
We noticed him before the Scots, we played him in our underage teams before the Scots, and now he is playing for the U-21s at the age of 18, which I'm sure he thinks is a massive compliment.
He's not going to smack us in the face after all that- he'll only switch if we aggrieve him in some way.....get Givens out of there!